Top 25 talk

[Gregory Sager]

I think that the current situation calls for, not one, but two of these:

[sac]

I'm not going to stop critiquing the poll or asking for explanations about certain things, that's what this board is for.  If you don't like my posts, don't read them, I hear that's a popular thing to tell people to do anyway.

In the meantime enjoy your games today, lots of good and bad teams out there to enjoy.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm not going to stop critiquing the poll or asking for explanations about certain things, that's what this board is for.  If you don't like my posts, don't read them, I hear that's a popular thing to tell people to do anyway.

In the meantime enjoy your games today, lots of good and bad teams out there to enjoy.

I imagine it's relatively futile to expect good answers, though, when, I'm guessing, few of the voters actually participate here.

[smedindy]

The people who you are DEMANDING answers for aren't answering here, sac. You're just yelling at a cloud.

[Greek Tragedy]

Love the new scoreboard feature, Pat!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

The people who you are DEMANDING answers for aren't answering here, sac. You're just yelling at a cloud.

Couldn't resist

[sac]

The people who you are DEMANDING answers for aren't answering here, sac. You're just yelling at a cloud.

good grief I didn't DEMAND answers from anyone, I asked, pretty nicely actually.  Let's not cement things in people's heads that aren't there.    one more for sure.

[Pat Coleman]

Love the new scoreboard feature, Pat!

Thanks. Hopefully people find it useful. It's the format we have used on D3football.com for a couple of years but everything takes three times the setup for D3hoops.com (two genders, more conferences) so it sat on a to-do list for a really long time.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	Washington U.	11-1	LOST at #34 Chicago, 43-63
#2	598	Augustana	13-1	def. #28 Elmhurst, 58-56; def. North Park, 88-51
#3	560	UW-Whitewater	12-2	def. UW-Superior, 88-57; def. UW-Stout, 96-67
#4	526	Dickinson	12-1	won at Washington College, 88-81; def. Ursinus, 73-57
#5	511	St. Thomas	11-1	def. Macalester, 96-45; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 64-38
#6	504	Emory	11-1	won at Rochester, 84-69
#7	430	WPI	11-2	def. Springfield, 73-53; LOST at MIT, 46-51
#8	426	Virginia Wesleyan	11-2	won at #37 Lynchburg, 83-82; def. Washington and Lee, 73-60
#9	367	Marietta	13-0	won at Ohio Northern, 72-62
#10	354	North Central (Ill.)	13-1	won at Millikin, 62-46; won at Wheaton (Ill.), 75-70
#11	322	Franklin and Marshall	13-0	won at Swarthmore, 83-65; def. Washington College, 88-80
#12	321	Richard Stockton	12-1	won at New Jersey City, 58-56
#13	301	Albertus Magnus	11-1	won at Rivier, 87-68; won at Norwich, 89-72; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 101-88
#14	289	Wooster	11-2	def. Kenyon, 77-63; def. Oberlin, 91-71
#15	275	Babson	12-1	won at Emerson, 67-43; won at Springfield, 59-56
#16	208	Randolph-Macon	11-2	def. Bridgewater (Va.), 63-45; def. Guilford, 72-54
#17	202	Ohio Wesleyan	11-2	def. Wittenberg, 75-63; def. Allegheny, 89-72
#18	190	Amherst	9-3	won at #21 Eastern Connecticut, 59-51; won at Hamilton, 93-86; LOST at #38 Williams, 70-71
#19	121	UW-Stevens Point	11-3	def. UW-Platteville, 74-55; won at UW-Oshkosh, 83-57
#20	107	St. Norbert	11-1	won at Lawrence, 81-72
#21	105	Eastern Connecticut	11-3	LOST to #18 Amherst, 51-59; won at Mass-Boston, 83-78
#22	102	Illinois Wesleyan	10-4	won at Wheaton (Ill.), 77-68; def. Carthage, 73-61
#23	98	Husson	9-2	LOST at Colby, 94-99; def. Maine Maritime, 78-64
#24	88	Scranton	12-2	def. Drew, 73-69; won at Susquehanna, 70-68; def. Goucher, 68-67
#25	79	Centre	10-3	LOST to Birmingham-Southern, 61-66; def. Millsaps, 81-44

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	76	Chapman	12-0	won at Occidental, 99-68; def. #29 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 73-68
#27	60	St. Olaf	11-1	won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 81-50; def. Hamline, 76-58
#28	41	Elmhurst	12-2	LOST at #2 Augustana, 56-58; won at Millikin, 74-60
#29	40	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	9-3	won at Caltech, 58-33; LOST at #26 Chapman, 68-73
#30	39	Cortland State	8-2	LOST to New Paltz State, 73-78; LOST to Oswego State, 67-81
#31	35	Middlebury	9-2	won at Plattsburgh State, 63-53; LOST at #36 Bates, 53-57; LOST at Tufts, 63-80
#32	24	Hampden-Sydney	10-3	def. Randolph, 59-57; LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 75-76
#33	17	Dubuque	11-2	def. Central, 79-63; LOST to Wartburg, 63-74
#34	13	Chicago	9-3	def. #1 Washington U., 63-43
#35	12	Hardin-Simmons	12-1	def. LeTourneau, 72-59; def. East Texas Baptist, 82-80
#36	11	Bates	10-2	def. Brandeis, 60-55; def. #31 Middlebury, 57-53
#37	8	Lynchburg	9-4	LOST to #8 Virginia Wesleyan, 82-83; won at Eastern Mennonite, 72-70
#38	6	Williams	10-4	LOST to T#44 Trinity (Conn.), 69-71; def. #18 Amherst, 71-70
#39	5	Hope	7-6	LOST at Trine, 62-65; LOST to Calvin, 64-88
T#40	3	Rowan	12-1	def. Montclair State, 66-53; won at Kean, 76-73
T#40	3	Western Connecticut	9-3	LOST to Mitchell, 92-95; LOST at Mass-Dartmouth, 81-92; def. Plymouth State, 65-58
T#42	2	Johns Hopkins	11-2	won at Haverford, 80-78; def. Swarthmore, 84-57
T#42	2	William Paterson	11-2	def. Kean, 68-58; won at Rutgers-Newark, 75-68
T#44	1	Cal Lutheran	9-2	def. Redlands, 71-56; won at Pomona-Pitzer, 62-55
T#44	1	Christopher Newport	10-3	won at Wesley, 75-62; def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 81-58
T#44	1	Trinity (Conn.)	12-2	won at Manhattanville, 75-60; won at #38 Williams, 71-69; won at Hamilton, 60-51

[HOPEful]

Perhaps we should change the poll to top 20? Amherst, E.Connecticut, Husson, and Centre all lost last week and should drop out. Chapman, St. Olaf, and Chicago should jump up. Then who? Does Hardin Simmons (12-1) jump 10 spots? Does Rowan (12-1) jump 15? Does Elmhurst move up since they only lost by 2 at Auggie?

Seems like a tall task to figure out. I won't scrutinize your rankings too hard this week Dave! 

[Greek Tragedy]

Does Elmhurst move up since they own lost by 2 at Auggie?

Hasn't that already been dubbed the CCIW rule? You lose a close game to a CCIW school and you automatically get ranked, or even move up in the rankings? 

[dc_has_been]

Should Amherst drop out from 18 for a 1 point loss to a team receiving votes?  I doubt even WashU drops over 7 spots after losing by 20 to a team receiving votes?  IMO, I would keep E. Conn in the top 25 too, but just barely. 

Just wanted to add my two cents!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Pretty much sums up part of my challenge as a voter today.

[Pat Coleman]

Does Elmhurst move up since they own lost by 2 at Auggie?

Hasn't that already been dubbed the CCIW rule? You lose a close game to a CCIW school and you automatically get ranked, or even move up in the rankings? 

I'd say that happens with WIAC and NESCAC teams too, when the situation warrants.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Does Elmhurst move up since they own lost by 2 at Auggie?

Hasn't that already been dubbed the CCIW rule? You lose a close game to a CCIW school and you automatically get ranked, or even move up in the rankings? 

I'd say that happens with WIAC and NESCAC teams too, when the situation warrants.

I didn't think Elmhurst was good enough to get that result, so they do indeed benefit from it, in my opinion.  I wouldn't really penalize Amherst for their result either.  Rivalry games are tough.  If Hope hadn't lost a second game this week, I wouldn't even hold the blowout vs Calvin against them.