Top 25 talk

[sac]

No NESCAC  or  Brandeis, NYU or Rochester

[monsoon]

Congrats to CWRU on their first appearance in the poll.

[y_jack_lok]

Is 5 losses in the last 8 enough to stop voting for Lynchburg?

or 5 losses in the last 7 for Hampden-Sydney?

Apparently, yes.

[ronk]

Call it an historic Top 25 on the men's side this week. No NESCAC team since February 25, 2002 and Johns Hopkins returns after a nearly seven year absence: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/01/no-nescac-teams-ranked - certainly thought provoking.

And in case you are curious, here is how I voted: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/01/19/daves-top-25-ballot-week-7-3/

Dave,
With regard to your ballot and comment on Scranton, the injury in the 1st minute against Ithaca, was to FR PG Kevin Doolan, not Ross Danzig. He's been starting since the 2nd game, very effective over the past month, and Scranton's 1st true PG since Randy Arnold. Ross did sprain an ankle in the 1st week of the season, but remarkably, came back 6 days later.   

[Hugenerd]

Call it an historic Top 25 on the men's side this week. No NESCAC team since February 25, 2002 and Johns Hopkins returns after a nearly seven year absence: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/01/no-nescac-teams-ranked - certainly thought provoking.

And in case you are curious, here is how I voted: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/01/19/daves-top-25-ballot-week-7-3/

Glad to see you are high on two NEWMAC teams...wonder what you will think of MIT when they pick up a win over the second of those two teams this week.  MIT has been playing a lot better the last 4, since the return of their pre-season All-American PF/C, Matt Redfield.

[Mr. Ypsi]

{This tongue-in-cheek post is especially for sac! )

Man, the CCIW gets no respect.  IWU goes 2-0 in conference play, winning by a combined 43 points, and LOSES 16 points.   You guys have got to get off your anti-CCIW crusade!

[Pat Coleman]

Teams that we allegedly underrated a few weeks ago -- Middlebury, Albion, Hope ... who did I miss? Teams we allegedly overrated -- University of Chicago, Illinois Wesleyan (what is the value of IWU's win over Chicago now?) ... Not all of this conversation was from this board but it was all there, and some of it was pretty vocal.

[WUPHF]

Teams that we allegedly underrated a few weeks ago -- Middlebury, Albion, Hope ... who did I miss? Teams we allegedly overrated -- University of Chicago, Illinois Wesleyan (what is the value of IWU's win over Chicago now?) ... Not all of this conversation was from this board but it was all there, and some of it was pretty vocal.

If by allege, you mean to argue or assert with out evidence or proof, I would allege that Illinois Wesleyan is underrated, but evidentally, all it takes is a few postseason losses at home to make one think that the Titans are always better than their regular season record.  I think they are.

As for Chicago, I stand by what I said at the time.  In fact, their record at the time looks even worse today, with the exception of the overtime loss to Worcester Polytechnic.  I just needed to see the potential do what they did over the last two weeks as evidence or proof and they did, so:

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[Pat Coleman]

I am not sure I had your post in mind, actually!

[KnightSlappy]

Teams that we allegedly underrated a few weeks ago -- Middlebury, Albion, Hope ... who did I miss? Teams we allegedly overrated -- University of Chicago, Illinois Wesleyan (what is the value of IWU's win over Chicago now?) ... Not all of this conversation was from this board but it was all there, and some of it was pretty vocal.

I think Amherst was in there as well. 

[Pat Coleman]

And if you go back further, overrated Calvin and underrated Webster. But it all comes out in the wash.

[scottiedawg]

Higher on D3Hoops than Massey:
Husson, 81 spots
Trinity CT, 56
Albertus Magnus, 30
Centre, 25
Amherst, 21
Emory, 18
Christopher Newport, 17
Dickinson, 16
WPI, 11
Babson, 11
MIT, 11
Williams, 10

Higher on Massey than D3Hoops:
Hardin-Simmons, -18
Whitworth, -15
William Paterson, -15
St. Olaf, -13
UW-Stevens Point, -11
Chapman, -9
Illinois Wesleyan, -8
Eastern Connecticut, -4
Marietta, -3
St. Norbert, -3
North Central (Ill.), -3
St. Thomas, -2
Wooster, -2
Elmhurst, -1

[scottiedawg]

Teams with most cumulative points (but zero in latest poll):
Calvin, 940
Scranton, 873
Cabrini, 451
DePauw, 356
Texas-Dallas, 274
Wheaton (Ill.), 242
Springfield, 124
Lynchburg, 113
Bates, 110
Bowdoin, 104
Rhode Island College, 80
Dubuque, 73
Wesley, 73

Teams with most cumulative points (but zero in preseason poll):
Ohio Wesleyan, 1726
Marietta, 1504
North Central (Ill.), 1440
Franklin and Marshall, 1059
Elmhurst, 238
Husson, 138
Lynchburg, 113
Bates, 110
Hardin-Simmons, 93
Dubuque, 73
Cortland State, 64
Hampden-Sydney, 54
Case Western, 47

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Dave,
With regard to your ballot and comment on Scranton, the injury in the 1st minute against Ithaca, was to FR PG Kevin Doolan, not Ross Danzig. He's been starting since the 2nd game, very effective over the past month, and Scranton's 1st true PG since Randy Arnold. Ross did sprain an ankle in the 1st week of the season, but remarkably, came back 6 days later.   

I apologize... was told he had injured it once again... I will make the necessary edit(s).

Glad to see you are high on two NEWMAC teams...wonder what you will think of MIT when they pick up a win over the second of those two teams this week.  MIT has been playing a lot better the last 4, since the return of their pre-season All-American PF/C, Matt Redfield.

I have MIT on my radar... as they were on my ballot for a few weeks earlier this season. I do like how they are playing, but have circled the next few games as ones I want to see before buying back in again.

[HOPEful]

Teams that we allegedly underrated a few weeks ago -- Middlebury, Albion, Hope ... who did I miss? Teams we allegedly overrated -- University of Chicago, Illinois Wesleyan (what is the value of IWU's win over Chicago now?) ...

Easy to point out when it works in your favor. Amherst started the season #2 and stayed ranked way too long while Marietta was getting no love. Neither were Chapman, St. Olaf, or Elmhurst.

I don't think that the argument was ever that those teams were or were not better/worse, but that their resume, at that point in the season, did not merit being ranked where they were. Once again, this is being made out to be a "MY TEAMS NOT RANKED, *cry*!" argument when it's not. It's simply a "the voters need to adjust their preseason rankings quicker and give less credit to previous season performances" argument. If someone said Chicago was overrated BEFORE beating Washington and Emory, I might agree. But their resume has changed. So should their perception.