Top 25 talk

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Watched Whitman and Wooster tonight - those seems like pretty evenly matched teams.  I'll hold off making any huge changes until we see Whitman in Florida next week.

But surely you don't think that was even a 50th%ile game for Whitman. Heck if they just shoot their average from the foul line, they win by 10 or so.

So by the Babs precedent, don't you have to give them credit as if they had won by more? That's basically what the case was for Babs when they played Amy -- "they lost, but they could have played better and if they had, they would have won."

You see the logical failure now? You have to apply that logic to every single game or you're being biased.

Only if I'm voting Whitman and Wooster the same.  I've got Whitman in the top 5 and not voting for Wooster at all.  I'm not going to shift them based on this one game, which is better for Whitman, because if I were to move them, it would definitely be down.

[Knightstalker]

I've used Wilma and Musky. I use Berg for Heidelberg.

Until about a half-hour ago, I thought that everybody used those nicknames. Including OAC fans.

I also call Randolph Macon "Randy Mac", does that make me whatever the opposite of misogynist is?

For the record, misandrist is the opposite of misogynist. I don't think anybody really cares, but I'll do anything ... anything ... to deflect this conversation in a harmless direction.

And that includes posting more pictures of freshwater sport-fish mermaids.

(Only after the fact did I discover that most RMC supporters LIKE "Randy Mac". )

Or Willy Pat for William Paterson, St. Larry for St. Lawrence, and Wash & Jeff for Washington & Jefferson. In the opposite direction, I sometimes refer to Millikin University as Jimmy Millikin, even though it's not customary to refer to the school by the full name of the benefactor after whom it's named. And I've often used Dick Stockton for Richard Stockton, but I was never seriopus about it.

One of my all-time favorites is sac's nickname for Baldwin-Wallace, Bald Wally. (But why do I feel as though I've just thrown sac under the bus for bringing that up?)

For accuracy' sake William Paterson is usually referred to as Willy P not Willy Pat.  At least that is what we use here in NJ.

[Knightstalker]

Are there any female Augies?  Or Auggies up in Minnesota?

I wonder if the super fans are called Auggie Doggies?

Where is the Doggie Daddies?

[Knightstalker]

Scheduling note. I'm going to release the Top 25 poll a little later than usual tomorrow, hopefully around 9 or 9:30 pm ET because of these late finishes and holiday travels for some of our voters.

Figured people on this board would want to know.

Thanks for the heads-up, Gordo. Yes, for the first time in a long time, I'm actually waiting with bated breath on Mondays for the new poll to come out. I'm sure that you can guess why.

Because you can't wait to see NJCU break into the top 25 this week?

[smedindy]

I've used Wilma and Musky. I use Berg for Heidelberg.

Until about a half-hour ago, I thought that everybody used those nicknames. Including OAC fans.

I also call Randolph Macon "Randy Mac", does that make me whatever the opposite of misogynist is?

For the record, misandrist is the opposite of misogynist. I don't think anybody really cares, but I'll do anything ... anything ... to deflect this conversation in a harmless direction.

And that includes posting more pictures of freshwater sport-fish mermaids.

(Only after the fact did I discover that most RMC supporters LIKE "Randy Mac". )

Or Willy Pat for William Paterson, St. Larry for St. Lawrence, and Wash & Jeff for Washington & Jefferson. In the opposite direction, I sometimes refer to Millikin University as Jimmy Millikin, even though it's not customary to refer to the school by the full name of the benefactor after whom it's named. And I've often used Dick Stockton for Richard Stockton, but I was never seriopus about it.

One of my all-time favorites is sac's nickname for Baldwin-Wallace, Bald Wally. (But why do I feel as though I've just thrown sac under the bus for bringing that up?)

For accuracy' sake William Paterson is usually referred to as Willy P not Willy Pat.  At least that is what we use here in NJ.

I think outsiders have said Willy Pat. Like Dick Stockton (who's the Leslie Visser of the NJAC...Ramapo?)

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Watched Whitman and Wooster tonight - those seems like pretty evenly matched teams.  I'll hold off making any huge changes until we see Whitman in Florida next week.

But surely you don't think that was even a 50th%ile game for Whitman. Heck if they just shoot their average from the foul line, they win by 10 or so.

So by the Babs precedent, don't you have to give them credit as if they had won by more? That's basically what the case was for Babs when they played Amy -- "they lost, but they could have played better and if they had, they would have won."

You see the logical failure now? You have to apply that logic to every single game or you're being biased.

Only if I'm voting Whitman and Wooster the same.  I've got Whitman in the top 5 and not voting for Wooster at all.  I'm not going to shift them based on this one game, which is better for Whitman, because if I were to move them, it would definitely be down.

Nah, this is just not correct. If you look at one game through that % of peak type framework, and then you don't in another game, then you're being inconsistent and biased. It doesn't matter if you're voting the two teams the same or not.

[smedindy]

Let's have all the voters quit their jobs, leave their families, and hermit themselves in the D3 Networks Cave of All Knowldege and just watch all of the D3 hoops games so they have an idea about every team in every game.

[PeterEscobar]

Albertus Magnus is ranked 197 by Massey. Endicott is 90 (so like 7th or 8th in the OAC, or worse than everyone in the WIAC), Tufts is down to 59 and their schedule stinks at 191. Their best win is either home to Worcester Tech or at MIT. Tech is 80th and was at home. MIT was 105 and away. We've seen in the past day a team get disparaged for losing a road game to a team in the fringe of top 100. So in the next day are we supposed to give credit for beating one? Can't have it both ways, can we? It can't both be a bad loss and a good win to do basically the same thing.

And they lost to Amherst, who hasn't played anyone else really either other than St. Lawrence, and they just lost to a bad team. Brandeis is Amherst's third best win. They're ranked similarly to Wilmington, who obviously at least one poster here thinks isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.

So we're back to trying to have it both ways.

Babs and Amy need to toughen up. If you're going to say Whitewater hasn't proven anything yet, you have to say the same thing about Babs and Amy.

Who would you like to see Babson play in the region then? Playing the pre-season favorites in three conferences obviously isn't good enough for you so what would be?

I am also going to laugh so hard when you see how many first place votes Marietta got this week in the top 25 poll............

[Titan Q]

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index

Really surprised Chicago is not ranked.  8-1 with just a buzzer beater loss to #13 North Park.

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

Albertus Magnus is ranked 197 by Massey. Endicott is 90 (so like 7th or 8th in the OAC, or worse than everyone in the WIAC), Tufts is down to 59 and their schedule stinks at 191. Their best win is either home to Worcester Tech or at MIT. Tech is 80th and was at home. MIT was 105 and away. We've seen in the past day a team get disparaged for losing a road game to a team in the fringe of top 100. So in the next day are we supposed to give credit for beating one? Can't have it both ways, can we? It can't both be a bad loss and a good win to do basically the same thing.

And they lost to Amherst, who hasn't played anyone else really either other than St. Lawrence, and they just lost to a bad team. Brandeis is Amherst's third best win. They're ranked similarly to Wilmington, who obviously at least one poster here thinks isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.

So we're back to trying to have it both ways.

Babs and Amy need to toughen up. If you're going to say Whitewater hasn't proven anything yet, you have to say the same thing about Babs and Amy.

Who would you like to see Babson play in the region then? Playing the pre-season favorites in three conferences obviously isn't good enough for you so what would be?

I am also going to laugh so hard when you see how many first place votes Marietta got this week in the top 25 poll............

I don't even care at this point. I know most of the voters are totally full of it. IMO Whitman should be #1 right now anyway.

But voting Babson #1 over Whitman is just a completely irresponsible vote, and whoever voted Amherst #1 would kicked out of the poll if it was me because they are obviously not paying any attention.

I'm not surprised. I know how the sausage is made in other D3 sports polls. The methodology is garbage. The rationale for voting one team and not voting another are completely inconsistent.

[gordonmann]

At least 9 of our voters agree.

It took longer than I hoped, but the new poll is up, Greg Sager will be happy and so am I because I get to say...

"Hello, Neumann."

[ElRetornodelEspencio]

At least 9 of our voters agree.

It took longer than I hoped, but the new poll is up, Greg Sager will be happy and so am I because I get to say...

"Hello, Neumann."

Stop stealing my material. I said that two days ago.

[PeterEscobar]

But voting Babson #1 over Whitman is just a completely irresponsible vote, and whoever voted Amherst #1 would kicked out of the poll if it was me because they are obviously not paying any attention.

Well let's be honest, if you were running a poll you wouldn't allow any other voters. You've made it very clear that unless people agree exactly with you that they are idiots...

[mailsy]

At least 9 of our voters agree.

It took longer than I hoped, but the new poll is up, Greg Sager will be happy and so am I because I get to say...

"Hello, Neumann."

Stop stealing my material. I said that two days ago.

Yeah? And I said that years ago on the CSAC board. 

Congrats to the Neumann Knights. First time ever in the top 25!!

[Pat Coleman]

At least 9 of our voters agree.

It took longer than I hoped, but the new poll is up, Greg Sager will be happy and so am I because I get to say...

"Hello, Neumann."

Stop stealing my material. I said that two days ago.

Jerry Seinfeld on line 1.