Top 25 talk

[Ralph Turner]

We'll make a culturally cutting-edge kind of guy of you yet, Chuck.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/01/arts/music/mariah-carey-new-years-eve-times-square.html?_r=0

Catching up on my reading...

That would be a Sisyphean task, if there ever was one!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Middlebury beat Wesleyan pretty handily tonight.

Whitworth lost to Pacific.  First time they lost a conference game to anyone but Whitman since Feb 21, 2014.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

[Bucket]

Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

Huh... really? Considering I saw them in person dismantle CNU and there are a ton of others who saw the same... I don't think that is the case. Did you think Marietta wasn't that good in mid-December or are you just taking pop-shots after the fact because it is easy?

[sac]

Its possible for good teams to lose against anyone and still be good, and for bad teams to win against good teams and still be bad.

[BeRightOn]

Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.

[Bucket]

Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

Huh... really? Considering I saw them in person dismantle CNU and there are a ton of others who saw the same... I don't think that is the case. Did you think Marietta wasn't that good in mid-December or are you just taking pop-shots after the fact because it is easy?

Not a pop shot, and it wasn't as much a comment on Marietta as it was the notion of "parity." Though I can obviously see how it could have been taken that way. (As both a pop shot and a comment on Marietta.)

My greater point is: how much do we really know about all of these teams? Our knowledge can be only so deep—very few of us see many of these teams (in person, multiple times)—so it's not that much of a surprise (at least to me) when teams folks thought were very good then drop games these same folks thought they shouldn't.

Is it parity? Or is it a case of it being too hard to get a handle on who is really good and who isn't? (In Division III, at this point of the season, etc.)

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

Huh... really? Considering I saw them in person dismantle CNU and there are a ton of others who saw the same... I don't think that is the case. Did you think Marietta wasn't that good in mid-December or are you just taking pop-shots after the fact because it is easy?

Not a pop shot, and it wasn't as much a comment on Marietta as it was the notion of "parity." Though I can obviously see how it could have been taken that way. (As both a pop shot and a comment on Marietta.)

My greater point is: how much do we really know about all of these teams? Our knowledge can be only so deep—very few of us see many of these teams (in person, multiple times)—so it's not that much of a surprise (at least to me) when teams folks thought were very good then drop games these same folks thought they shouldn't.

Is it parity? Or is it a case of it being too hard to get a handle on who is really good and who isn't? (In Division III, at this point of the season, etc.)

I have seen a lot of teams this year via video, but most importantly via video... Marietta was damn good when I saw them this year and continued to watch them online. Something is off.

And yes, parity is very much a factor right now. We have far more depth in Division III than ever before. The last few years that has increased each and every year. More and more teams can compete with the top level and the top group can no longer dominate. I think in reality, we can see far more games and be able to understand far more teams thanks to video web streaming... which allows us to understand teams far better. But the talent alone has completely changed the landscape of Division III on the men's side.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

As the season continues to march along, we continue to see more and more twists. There aren't many more answers despite being about halfway through the season.

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[Red and black]

Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.

Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

[Pat Coleman]

Just as a note, even if Carthage isn't one of the 35 teams on Dave's list doesn't mean that they won't get Top 25 votes from one of the other 24 voters. Dave's just talking about his ballot.

[Titan Q]

The CCIW has 4 teams deserving of Top 25 consideration.  Massey has them in the following order...

#10 - Augustana
#13 - Illinois Wesleyan
#19 - North Park (last night's win at NCC not included yet)
#25 - Carthage

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cb2017&sub=11620

You could probably find a way to justify any order of those 4 teams.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

(Post #1001 -- after posting #1000 on the women's board)

Christopher Newport vs. Marymount is just underway; will edit in the result when complete.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	610	Babson	12-1	won at Emerson, 100-76; won at Springfield, 73-68
#2	603	Whitman	13-0	def. Linfield, 90-81; def. Pacific, 99-69
#3	576	Amherst	10-2	LOST at Eastern Connecticut, 75-87; won at #25 Williams, 80-72
#4	507	Rochester	12-0	won at Rochester Tech, 73-72; def. T#27 Emory, 84-54
#5	497	Whitworth	11-2	LOST to Pacific, 88-90; def. Linfield, 87-81
#6	463	Christopher Newport	11-2	won at Wesley, 71-62; won at Marymount, 70-57
#7	443	UW-Eau Claire	11-2	LOST at #17 UW-River Falls, 59-60; def. #11 UW-Whitewater, 68-63
#8	393	Tufts	11-2	def. Lesley, 88-58; won at Bowdoin, 77-54; won at Colby, 84-70
#9	386	Wesleyan	11-3	LOST to Rhode Island College, 55-62; LOST at #22 Middlebury, 65-83; LOST at Hamilton, 76-92
#10	342	North Park	10-2	LOST to Carthage, 76-82; won at #30 North Central (Ill.), 76-73
#11	336	UW-Whitewater	11-2	LOST to UW-La Crosse, 68-82; LOST at #7 UW-Eau Claire, 63-68
#12	333	St. Norbert	9-2	won at Beloit, 72-51; def. Grinnell, 100-73
#13	325	Marietta	9-4	won at Muskingum, 100-64; LOST at Ohio Northern, 91-101
#14	295	Susquehanna	12-1	won at Dickinson, 76-66; def. Lancaster Bible, 87-66; def. Moravian, 86-74
#15	230	Salisbury	11-2	won at Washington College, 99-84; won at Mary Washington, 78-70; def. Frostburg State, 81-65
#16	222	Benedictine	10-3	won at Dominican, 88-82; won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 90-78
#17	186	UW-River Falls	12-1	def. #7 UW-Eau Claire, 60-59; def. UW-Platteville, 78-57
#18	184	Swarthmore	11-1	won at Catholic, 88-51; won at Gettysburg, 75-58
#19	167	Ramapo	13-0	won at Rutgers-Camden, 94-86; def. TCNJ, 98-90
#20	166	Neumann	12-0	def. Marywood, 91-70; won at Cabrini, 84-76; won at Cairn, 84-71
#21	110	Denison	12-1	won at Brooklyn, 79-52; won at Mount St. Vincent, 72-64; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 83-80; def. Allegheny, 104-63
#22	106	Middlebury	11-1	def. #9 Wesleyan, 83-65; def. Connecticut College, 97-89
#23	103	New Jersey City	11-2	LOST at Montclair State, 46-48
#24	88	Washington U.	9-3	won at #36 Chicago, 70-68
#25	74	Williams	11-3	def. SUNY Oneonta, 74-62; LOST to #3 Amherst, 72-80; LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 63-65

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	67	Illinois Wesleyan	11-3	def. Millikin, 73-64; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 84-75
T#27	58	Emory	9-3	def. Oglethorpe, 93-68; LOST at #4 Rochester, 54-84
T#27	58	Wartburg	11-3	LOST to Loras, 75-84; def. Dubuque, 94-74
#29	41	Lycoming	13-2	LOST to Lebanon Valley, 72-80; won at Stevenson, 85-78
#30	34	North Central (Ill.)	8-6	LOST to Augustana, 71-82; LOST to #10 North Park, 73-76
#31	33	Endicott	10-3	def. Wentworth, 76-67; def. Gordon, 84-83; LOST at Western New England, 70-74
#32	25	Brockport	9-3	LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 66-89; def. St. Lawrence, 79-73; LOST at SUNY Geneseo, 66-86
#33	15	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	10-1	won at Redlands, 75-59; def. Caltech, 78-53
#34	11	Hope	9-4	won at Albion, 85-79; def. Olivet, 97-76
#35	8	Bethel	10-2	won at Carleton, 70-63 OT; LOST to #42 St. Thomas, 74-83; def. Augsburg, 89-71
#36	7	Chicago	8-4	LOST to #24 Washington U., 68-70
#37	6	Hardin-Simmons	11-4	won at University of the Ozarks, 135-95; won at Texas-Dallas, 75-68
T#38	5	Virginia Wesleyan	9-4	LOST at Randolph-Macon, 63-67; def. Washington and Lee, 72-58
T#38	5	WPI	9-4	LOST to Springfield, 63-71; LOST at MIT, 63-75
#40	4	Misericordia	10-3	def. Manhattanville, 83-54; LOST at FDU-Florham, 70-71
#41	3	Ripon	10-1	def. Grinnell, 98-82; won at Lake Forest, 80-63
#42	1	St. Thomas	9-3	won at Gustavus Adolphus, 83-65; won at #35 Bethel, 83-74; won at Carleton, 62-61 OT