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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2017, 11:45:15 PM
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Middlebury beat Wesleyan pretty handily tonight.

Whitworth lost to Pacific.  First time they lost a conference game to anyone but Whitman since Feb 21, 2014.
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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL
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Bucket

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:31:17 PM
Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Bucket on January 07, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:31:17 PM
Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

Huh... really? Considering I saw them in person dismantle CNU and there are a ton of others who saw the same... I don't think that is the case. Did you think Marietta wasn't that good in mid-December or are you just taking pop-shots after the fact because it is easy?
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sac

Its possible for good teams to lose against anyone and still be good, and for bad teams to win against good teams and still be bad.


BeRightOn

Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: BeRightOn on January 08, 2017, 08:27:31 AM
Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.
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Bucket

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: Bucket on January 07, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:31:17 PM
Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

Huh... really? Considering I saw them in person dismantle CNU and there are a ton of others who saw the same... I don't think that is the case. Did you think Marietta wasn't that good in mid-December or are you just taking pop-shots after the fact because it is easy?

Not a pop shot, and it wasn't as much a comment on Marietta as it was the notion of "parity." Though I can obviously see how it could have been taken that way. (As both a pop shot and a comment on Marietta.)

My greater point is: how much do we really know about all of these teams? Our knowledge can be only so deep—very few of us see many of these teams (in person, multiple times)—so it's not that much of a surprise (at least to me) when teams folks thought were very good then drop games these same folks thought they shouldn't.

Is it parity? Or is it a case of it being too hard to get a handle on who is really good and who isn't? (In Division III, at this point of the season, etc.)




Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Bucket on January 08, 2017, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: Bucket on January 07, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 07, 2017, 09:31:17 PM
Marietta also lost today... this parity thing is getting old. LOL

Or...the teams you thought were very good aren't as good as you thought.

Just as likely an explanation.

Huh... really? Considering I saw them in person dismantle CNU and there are a ton of others who saw the same... I don't think that is the case. Did you think Marietta wasn't that good in mid-December or are you just taking pop-shots after the fact because it is easy?

Not a pop shot, and it wasn't as much a comment on Marietta as it was the notion of "parity." Though I can obviously see how it could have been taken that way. (As both a pop shot and a comment on Marietta.)

My greater point is: how much do we really know about all of these teams? Our knowledge can be only so deep—very few of us see many of these teams (in person, multiple times)—so it's not that much of a surprise (at least to me) when teams folks thought were very good then drop games these same folks thought they shouldn't.

Is it parity? Or is it a case of it being too hard to get a handle on who is really good and who isn't? (In Division III, at this point of the season, etc.)

I have seen a lot of teams this year via video, but most importantly via video... Marietta was damn good when I saw them this year and continued to watch them online. Something is off.

And yes, parity is very much a factor right now. We have far more depth in Division III than ever before. The last few years that has increased each and every year. More and more teams can compete with the top level and the top group can no longer dominate. I think in reality, we can see far more games and be able to understand far more teams thanks to video web streaming... which allows us to understand teams far better. But the talent alone has completely changed the landscape of Division III on the men's side.
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Red and black

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 08, 2017, 08:27:31 AM
Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.


Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

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Pat Coleman

Just as a note, even if Carthage isn't one of the 35 teams on Dave's list doesn't mean that they won't get Top 25 votes from one of the other 24 voters. Dave's just talking about his ballot.
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Titan Q

The CCIW has 4 teams deserving of Top 25 consideration.  Massey has them in the following order...

#10 - Augustana
#13 - Illinois Wesleyan
#19 - North Park (last night's win at NCC not included yet)
#25 - Carthage

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cb2017&sub=11620

You could probably find a way to justify any order of those 4 teams.


Darryl Nester

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How They Fared (Complete)

(Post #1001 -- after posting #1000 on the women's board)

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Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1610Babson12-1won at Emerson, 100-76; won at Springfield, 73-68
#2603Whitman13-0def. Linfield, 90-81; def. Pacific, 99-69
#3576Amherst10-2LOST at Eastern Connecticut, 75-87; won at #25 Williams, 80-72
#4507Rochester12-0won at Rochester Tech, 73-72; def. T#27 Emory, 84-54
#5497Whitworth11-2LOST to Pacific, 88-90; def. Linfield, 87-81
#6463Christopher Newport     11-2won at Wesley, 71-62; won at Marymount, 70-57
#7443UW-Eau Claire11-2LOST at #17 UW-River Falls, 59-60; def. #11 UW-Whitewater, 68-63
#8393Tufts11-2def. Lesley, 88-58; won at Bowdoin, 77-54; won at Colby, 84-70
#9386Wesleyan11-3LOST to Rhode Island College, 55-62; LOST at #22 Middlebury, 65-83; LOST at Hamilton, 76-92
#10342North Park10-2LOST to Carthage, 76-82; won at #30 North Central (Ill.), 76-73
#11336UW-Whitewater11-2LOST to UW-La Crosse, 68-82; LOST at #7 UW-Eau Claire, 63-68
#12333St. Norbert9-2won at Beloit, 72-51; def. Grinnell, 100-73
#13325Marietta9-4won at Muskingum, 100-64; LOST at Ohio Northern, 91-101
#14295Susquehanna12-1won at Dickinson, 76-66; def. Lancaster Bible, 87-66; def. Moravian, 86-74
#15230Salisbury11-2won at Washington College, 99-84; won at Mary Washington, 78-70; def. Frostburg State, 81-65
#16222Benedictine10-3won at Dominican, 88-82; won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 90-78
#17186UW-River Falls12-1def. #7 UW-Eau Claire, 60-59; def. UW-Platteville, 78-57
#18184Swarthmore11-1won at Catholic, 88-51; won at Gettysburg, 75-58
#19167Ramapo13-0won at Rutgers-Camden, 94-86; def. TCNJ, 98-90
#20166Neumann12-0def. Marywood, 91-70; won at Cabrini, 84-76; won at Cairn, 84-71
#21110Denison12-1won at Brooklyn, 79-52; won at Mount St. Vincent, 72-64; def. Ohio Wesleyan, 83-80; def. Allegheny, 104-63
#22106Middlebury11-1def. #9 Wesleyan, 83-65; def. Connecticut College, 97-89
#23103New Jersey City11-2LOST at Montclair State, 46-48
#2488Washington U.9-3won at #36 Chicago, 70-68
#2574Williams11-3def. SUNY Oneonta, 74-62; LOST to #3 Amherst, 72-80; LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 63-65


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2667Illinois Wesleyan11-3def. Millikin, 73-64; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 84-75
T#2758Emory9-3def. Oglethorpe, 93-68; LOST at #4 Rochester, 54-84
T#2758Wartburg11-3LOST to Loras, 75-84; def. Dubuque, 94-74
#2941Lycoming13-2LOST to Lebanon Valley, 72-80; won at Stevenson, 85-78
#3034North Central (Ill.)8-6LOST to Augustana, 71-82; LOST to #10 North Park, 73-76
#3133Endicott10-3def. Wentworth, 76-67; def. Gordon, 84-83; LOST at Western New England, 70-74
#3225Brockport9-3LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 66-89; def. St. Lawrence, 79-73; LOST at SUNY Geneseo, 66-86
#3315Claremont-Mudd-Scripps10-1won at Redlands, 75-59; def. Caltech, 78-53
#3411Hope9-4won at Albion, 85-79; def. Olivet, 97-76
#358Bethel10-2won at Carleton, 70-63 OT; LOST to #42 St. Thomas, 74-83; def. Augsburg, 89-71
#367Chicago8-4LOST to #24 Washington U., 68-70
#376Hardin-Simmons11-4won at University of the Ozarks, 135-95; won at Texas-Dallas, 75-68
T#385Virginia Wesleyan9-4LOST at Randolph-Macon, 63-67; def. Washington and Lee, 72-58
T#385WPI9-4LOST to Springfield, 63-71; LOST at MIT, 63-75
#404Misericordia10-3def. Manhattanville, 83-54; LOST at FDU-Florham, 70-71
#413Ripon10-1def. Grinnell, 98-82; won at Lake Forest, 80-63
#421St. Thomas9-3won at Gustavus Adolphus, 83-65; won at #35 Bethel, 83-74; won at Carleton, 62-61 OT