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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Red and black on January 08, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 08, 2017, 08:27:31 AM
Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.


Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
Just as a note, even if Carthage isn't one of the 35 teams on Dave's list doesn't mean that they won't get Top 25 votes from one of the other 24 voters. Dave's just talking about his ballot.

Just to clarify as well... 35 teams who are NOT already on my Top 25... yeah... I easily am considering 50+ teams every week.

Carthage is certainly under consideration... but Bob is right, even if I don't vote for them... I am sure someone will. It is honestly hard for me to tell you right now who is getting on my ballot tomorrow night. Today has been a bit busier than usual getting ready for Hoopsville, so my usual time to dive into the unknown hasn't started, yet.

Tomorrow will be a long one.
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4samuy

Quote from: Red and black on January 08, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 08, 2017, 08:27:31 AM
Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.


Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

Carthage has been playing well winning six out of last seven on the road.  They did take a pretty good beat down at Augustana, however.

4samuy

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 12:52:59 PM
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Great interview with Brad Duckworth.  Really looking forward to the follow-up.

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Red and black

Quote from: 4samuy on January 08, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Red and black on January 08, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 08, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: BeRightOn on January 08, 2017, 08:27:31 AM
Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.


Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

Carthage has been playing well winning six out of last seven on the road.  They did take a pretty good beat down at Augustana, however.


I think "beat down" is a little bit of a stretch. Carthage got behind early, but cut it to a basket or two pretty quickly in the second half. Without looking up the game, I think Carthage was trailing Augie by four with under five minutes to go. Augie ended with Three straight breakaways to stretch out the final score.

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So how much do think the loss by #17 Neumann to a 1-9(now 2-9) Rutgers-Camden team will drop them in the polls?
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4samuy

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One thing I've realized IMHO with the D3.com pollsters this year is that the voters seem to be putting much more emphasis on who you have beat than who you have lost to, especially with the teams in the top 25.  I would look at Amherst as a good example. Two losses to average teams in Springfield and Eastern Conneticut, but were able to beat the #1 team in Babson, which has kept them in the top five in rankings despite 2 losses. I haven't seen Neumans schedule, but if they have had a couple wins against top 25-30 opponents, I don't see them dropping very much.  If not, then they may drop a few spots.

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They don't really have any big wins and, being in the CSAC, its unlikely too many voters have seen them.  I went to the Scranton game in person.  They have been missing their leading scorer and rebounder since Xmas - no word on whether its an injury or academics.  Still, from what I saw they are very much the kind of team that doesn't put in a ton of effort unless the opponent is good - which makes for some head scratching losses like this one.

That being said, Camden did take Ramapo to the brink earlier this week - maybe they're improving?
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Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 10, 2017, 07:15:49 AM

They don't really have any big wins and, being in the CSAC, its unlikely too many voters have seen them.  I went to the Scranton game in person.  They have been missing their leading scorer and rebounder since Xmas - no word on whether its an injury or academics.  Still, from what I saw they are very much the kind of team that doesn't put in a ton of effort unless the opponent is good - which makes for some head scratching losses like this one.

Having seen parts of two Neumann games, I'd agree with that assessment. The Knights also seem to have some discipline problems, as reflected by their multiple player technicals (seven thus far this season, including five in the last five games). The atmosphere of the Neumann @ Cabrini game felt like a brawl waiting to happen. I could see the Knights blowing up and losing another game that they shouldn't, simply because they can't hold it together. Having said all that, I certainly think that it's a talented team that could cause opponents a lot of problems in March.

I really hope that the Knights aren't missing their leading scorer and rebounder due to academics, since he's a senior.
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gordonmann

QuoteHaving seen parts of two Neumann games, I'd agree with that assessment. The Knights also seem to have some discipline problems, as reflected by their multiple player technicals (seven thus far this season, including five in the last five games). The atmosphere of the Neumann @ Cabrini game felt like a brawl waiting to happen.

Yes, I got the same impression. Plus there was a brawl there after the CSAC final between those two teams two seasons ago, though I think it was unrelated to the game itself -- two fans from the same side.

mailsy

Quote from: gordonmann on January 10, 2017, 11:29:08 AM
QuoteHaving seen parts of two Neumann games, I'd agree with that assessment. The Knights also seem to have some discipline problems, as reflected by their multiple player technicals (seven thus far this season, including five in the last five games). The atmosphere of the Neumann @ Cabrini game felt like a brawl waiting to happen.

Yes, I got the same impression. Plus there was a brawl there after the CSAC final between those two teams two seasons ago, though I think it was unrelated to the game itself -- two fans from the same side.

There always seems to be a problem whether at Cabrini or Neumann when these two teams play. I've seen a few instances over the years.  :-[

I swear I neither started or was involved in any of them. ;D
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Quote from: 4samuy on January 09, 2017, 11:55:57 PM
One thing I've realized IMHO with the D3.com pollsters this year is that the voters seem to be putting much more emphasis on who you have beat than who you have lost to, especially with the teams in the top 25.  I would look at Amherst as a good example. Two losses to average teams in Springfield and Eastern Conneticut, but were able to beat the #1 team in Babson, which has kept them in the top five in rankings despite 2 losses. I haven't seen Neumans schedule, but if they have had a couple wins against top 25-30 opponents, I don't see them dropping very much.  If not, then they may drop a few spots.

I believe that game was in Amherst.
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I think he's saying that Babson was the No. 1 team, not that the game was played at Babson.
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How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1612Babson13-1def. WPI, 65-59; 01/14 vs. Wheaton (Mass.)
#2609Whitman13-001/13 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/14 vs. Puget Sound
#3549Rochester12-001/13 vs. T#40 Chicago; 01/15 vs. #20 Washington U.
#4533Christopher Newport12-2def. St. Mary's (Md.), 68-60; 01/14 at Penn State-Harrisburg
#5480Amherst10-201/13 at T#27 Wesleyan; 01/14 at Connecticut College
#6458Tufts11-201/13 vs. #15 Middlebury; 01/14 vs. T#37 Hamilton
#7403UW-River Falls13-1won at #21 UW-Whitewater, 90-74; 01/14 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#8400Whitworth11-201/13 vs. Puget Sound; 01/14 vs. Pacific Lutheran
#9399St. Norbert9-201/13 vs. Illinois College; 01/14 vs. Monmouth
#10398UW-Eau Claire12-2won at UW-La Crosse, 62-58; 01/14 vs. UW-Oshkosh
#11377Susquehanna12-2LOST to Scranton, 68-76; 01/14 vs. Elizabethtown
#12337Salisbury12-2def. Marymount, 80-60; 01/14 at York (Pa.)
#13314Ramapo14-0def. Rowan, 96-78; 01/14 at #24 New Jersey City
#14279Benedictine10-301/12 vs. Concordia-Chicago; 01/14 at Concordia (Wis.)
#15268Middlebury11-101/13 at #6 Tufts; 01/14 at Bates
#16263Swarthmore12-1def. McDaniel, 65-60 OT; 01/12 at Johns Hopkins; 01/14 vs. Franklin and Marshall
#17251Neumann13-1LOST at Rutgers-Camden, 67-68; won at Immaculata, 92-79; 01/14 vs. Centenary (N.J.)
#18246North Park11-2def. Wheaton (Ill.), 87-83; 01/14 vs. Elmhurst
#19221Denison13-1def. DePauw, 74-61; 01/14 at Wabash
#20139Washington U.9-301/13 at #36 Emory; 01/15 at #3 Rochester
#21103UW-Whitewater11-3LOST to #7 UW-River Falls, 74-90; 01/14 vs. UW-Platteville
#2298Illinois Wesleyan11-4LOST at #26 Augustana, 77-92; 01/14 vs. T#27 Carthage
#2395Marietta10-4def. Mount Union, 96-78; 01/14 vs. Heidelberg
#2452New Jersey City12-3def. Rowan, 89-72; LOST at Stockton, 65-70; 01/14 vs. #13 Ramapo
#2551Claremont-Mudd-Scripps10-1IDLE


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2640Augustana11-3def. #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 92-77; 01/14 vs. Carroll
T#2719Carthage11-3def. Illinois Tech, 81-79; 01/14 at #22 Illinois Wesleyan
T#2719Wesleyan11-301/13 vs. #5 Amherst; 01/14 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#2917Ripon10-101/13 vs. Monmouth; 01/14 vs. Cornell
#3016Guilford12-2won at Randolph, 77-60; 01/14 vs. Bridgewater (Va.)
#3114Lycoming14-2won at Albright, 76-70; 01/15 vs. Arcadia
#3211Hope10-4def. Alma, 88-77; 01/14 at Trine
#3310Endicott11-3won at Salve Regina, 82-66; 01/14 vs. Nichols
#349Wartburg11-4LOST at Buena Vista, 79-86 0:04 remaining; 01/14 vs. Central
#358Hardin-Simmons         11-401/12 vs. Howard Payne; 01/14 vs. Sul Ross State
#367Emory9-301/13 vs. #20 Washington U.; 01/15 vs. T#40 Chicago
T#375Hamilton10-201/13 at Bates; 01/14 at #6 Tufts
T#375St. Thomas9-4LOST to St. Olaf, 56-64; 01/14 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
#394Williams11-301/13 at Colby; 01/14 at Bowdoin
T#402Chicago8-401/13 at #3 Rochester; 01/15 at #36 Emory
T#402Maryville (Tenn.)11-1won at Covenant, 83-75; 01/13 at Greensboro; 01/14 at Methodist
T#402UW-Stout11-3LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 68-71; 01/14 vs. UW-La Crosse