Top 25 talk

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.

Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

Just as a note, even if Carthage isn't one of the 35 teams on Dave's list doesn't mean that they won't get Top 25 votes from one of the other 24 voters. Dave's just talking about his ballot.

Just to clarify as well... 35 teams who are NOT already on my Top 25... yeah... I easily am considering 50+ teams every week.

Carthage is certainly under consideration... but Bob is right, even if I don't vote for them... I am sure someone will. It is honestly hard for me to tell you right now who is getting on my ballot tomorrow night. Today has been a bit busier than usual getting ready for Hoopsville, so my usual time to dive into the unknown hasn't started, yet.

Tomorrow will be a long one.

[4samuy]

Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.

Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

Carthage has been playing well winning six out of last seven on the road.  They did take a pretty good beat down at Augustana, however.

[4samuy]

As the season continues to march along, we continue to see more and more twists. There aren't many more answers despite being about halfway through the season.

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Great interview with Brad Duckworth.  Really looking forward to the follow-up.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Thank you. I do appreciate that. It was a tough day/show behind the scenes, so I am glad that didn't take away from the segment.

I hate to be covering these topics, but if I have to let's get to the bottom of it is my mentality. It means a lot to have that appreciated.

[Red and black]

Swarthmore has dominated its last two opponents, Catholic University and Gettysburg. I'm wondering if d-mac might re-instate them to his Top 25 ballot this week...

Them and 35 others teams are under consideration.

Nothing against the win(s), but I don't think much of a win over Catholic this year (they are average until proven otherwise) and Gettysburg is hot and cold. So, I really can't assess that until I look farther into it.

They have been on my radar much of the year... just not sure if those two games will stand out over other results once I start diving into the info.

Is Carthage College one of those 35 under consideration? 

10-3 Overall, 4-1 and currently atop the CCIW standings.

Wins @ then #9 North Central (with a full and healthy team that included Connor Raridon)
        @ UW-Oshkosh
        @ #10 North Park University

Carthage has been playing well winning six out of last seven on the road.  They did take a pretty good beat down at Augustana, however.

I think "beat down" is a little bit of a stretch. Carthage got behind early, but cut it to a basket or two pretty quickly in the second half. Without looking up the game, I think Carthage was trailing Augie by four with under five minutes to go. Augie ended with Three straight breakaways to stretch out the final score.

[sac]

New poll http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/week6

[mailsy]

So how much do think the loss by #17 Neumann to a 1-9(now 2-9) Rutgers-Camden team will drop them in the polls?

[4samuy]

One thing I've realized IMHO with the D3.com pollsters this year is that the voters seem to be putting much more emphasis on who you have beat than who you have lost to, especially with the teams in the top 25.  I would look at Amherst as a good example. Two losses to average teams in Springfield and Eastern Conneticut, but were able to beat the #1 team in Babson, which has kept them in the top five in rankings despite 2 losses. I haven't seen Neumans schedule, but if they have had a couple wins against top 25-30 opponents, I don't see them dropping very much.  If not, then they may drop a few spots.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

They don't really have any big wins and, being in the CSAC, its unlikely too many voters have seen them.  I went to the Scranton game in person.  They have been missing their leading scorer and rebounder since Xmas - no word on whether its an injury or academics.  Still, from what I saw they are very much the kind of team that doesn't put in a ton of effort unless the opponent is good - which makes for some head scratching losses like this one.

That being said, Camden did take Ramapo to the brink earlier this week - maybe they're improving?

[Gregory Sager]

They don't really have any big wins and, being in the CSAC, its unlikely too many voters have seen them.  I went to the Scranton game in person.  They have been missing their leading scorer and rebounder since Xmas - no word on whether its an injury or academics.  Still, from what I saw they are very much the kind of team that doesn't put in a ton of effort unless the opponent is good - which makes for some head scratching losses like this one.

Having seen parts of two Neumann games, I'd agree with that assessment. The Knights also seem to have some discipline problems, as reflected by their multiple player technicals (seven thus far this season, including five in the last five games). The atmosphere of the Neumann @ Cabrini game felt like a brawl waiting to happen. I could see the Knights blowing up and losing another game that they shouldn't, simply because they can't hold it together. Having said all that, I certainly think that it's a talented team that could cause opponents a lot of problems in March.

I really hope that the Knights aren't missing their leading scorer and rebounder due to academics, since he's a senior.

[gordonmann]

Having seen parts of two Neumann games, I'd agree with that assessment. The Knights also seem to have some discipline problems, as reflected by their multiple player technicals (seven thus far this season, including five in the last five games). The atmosphere of the Neumann @ Cabrini game felt like a brawl waiting to happen.

Yes, I got the same impression. Plus there was a brawl there after the CSAC final between those two teams two seasons ago, though I think it was unrelated to the game itself -- two fans from the same side.

[mailsy]

Having seen parts of two Neumann games, I'd agree with that assessment. The Knights also seem to have some discipline problems, as reflected by their multiple player technicals (seven thus far this season, including five in the last five games). The atmosphere of the Neumann @ Cabrini game felt like a brawl waiting to happen.

Yes, I got the same impression. Plus there was a brawl there after the CSAC final between those two teams two seasons ago, though I think it was unrelated to the game itself -- two fans from the same side.

There always seems to be a problem whether at Cabrini or Neumann when these two teams play. I've seen a few instances over the years. 

I swear I neither started or was involved in any of them.

[Greek Tragedy]

One thing I've realized IMHO with the D3.com pollsters this year is that the voters seem to be putting much more emphasis on who you have beat than who you have lost to, especially with the teams in the top 25.  I would look at Amherst as a good example. Two losses to average teams in Springfield and Eastern Conneticut, but were able to beat the #1 team in Babson, which has kept them in the top five in rankings despite 2 losses. I haven't seen Neumans schedule, but if they have had a couple wins against top 25-30 opponents, I don't see them dropping very much.  If not, then they may drop a few spots.

I believe that game was in Amherst.

[Pat Coleman]

I think he's saying that Babson was the No. 1 team, not that the game was played at Babson.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	612	Babson	13-1	def. WPI, 65-59; 01/14 vs. Wheaton (Mass.)
#2	609	Whitman	13-0	01/13 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 01/14 vs. Puget Sound
#3	549	Rochester	12-0	01/13 vs. T#40 Chicago; 01/15 vs. #20 Washington U.
#4	533	Christopher Newport	12-2	def. St. Mary's (Md.), 68-60; 01/14 at Penn State-Harrisburg
#5	480	Amherst	10-2	01/13 at T#27 Wesleyan; 01/14 at Connecticut College
#6	458	Tufts	11-2	01/13 vs. #15 Middlebury; 01/14 vs. T#37 Hamilton
#7	403	UW-River Falls	13-1	won at #21 UW-Whitewater, 90-74; 01/14 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#8	400	Whitworth	11-2	01/13 vs. Puget Sound; 01/14 vs. Pacific Lutheran
#9	399	St. Norbert	9-2	01/13 vs. Illinois College; 01/14 vs. Monmouth
#10	398	UW-Eau Claire	12-2	won at UW-La Crosse, 62-58; 01/14 vs. UW-Oshkosh
#11	377	Susquehanna	12-2	LOST to Scranton, 68-76; 01/14 vs. Elizabethtown
#12	337	Salisbury	12-2	def. Marymount, 80-60; 01/14 at York (Pa.)
#13	314	Ramapo	14-0	def. Rowan, 96-78; 01/14 at #24 New Jersey City
#14	279	Benedictine	10-3	01/12 vs. Concordia-Chicago; 01/14 at Concordia (Wis.)
#15	268	Middlebury	11-1	01/13 at #6 Tufts; 01/14 at Bates
#16	263	Swarthmore	12-1	def. McDaniel, 65-60 OT; 01/12 at Johns Hopkins; 01/14 vs. Franklin and Marshall
#17	251	Neumann	13-1	LOST at Rutgers-Camden, 67-68; won at Immaculata, 92-79; 01/14 vs. Centenary (N.J.)
#18	246	North Park	11-2	def. Wheaton (Ill.), 87-83; 01/14 vs. Elmhurst
#19	221	Denison	13-1	def. DePauw, 74-61; 01/14 at Wabash
#20	139	Washington U.	9-3	01/13 at #36 Emory; 01/15 at #3 Rochester
#21	103	UW-Whitewater	11-3	LOST to #7 UW-River Falls, 74-90; 01/14 vs. UW-Platteville
#22	98	Illinois Wesleyan	11-4	LOST at #26 Augustana, 77-92; 01/14 vs. T#27 Carthage
#23	95	Marietta	10-4	def. Mount Union, 96-78; 01/14 vs. Heidelberg
#24	52	New Jersey City	12-3	def. Rowan, 89-72; LOST at Stockton, 65-70; 01/14 vs. #13 Ramapo
#25	51	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	10-1	IDLE

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	40	Augustana	11-3	def. #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 92-77; 01/14 vs. Carroll
T#27	19	Carthage	11-3	def. Illinois Tech, 81-79; 01/14 at #22 Illinois Wesleyan
T#27	19	Wesleyan	11-3	01/13 vs. #5 Amherst; 01/14 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#29	17	Ripon	10-1	01/13 vs. Monmouth; 01/14 vs. Cornell
#30	16	Guilford	12-2	won at Randolph, 77-60; 01/14 vs. Bridgewater (Va.)
#31	14	Lycoming	14-2	won at Albright, 76-70; 01/15 vs. Arcadia
#32	11	Hope	10-4	def. Alma, 88-77; 01/14 at Trine
#33	10	Endicott	11-3	won at Salve Regina, 82-66; 01/14 vs. Nichols
#34	9	Wartburg	11-4	LOST at Buena Vista, 79-86 0:04 remaining; 01/14 vs. Central
#35	8	Hardin-Simmons	11-4	01/12 vs. Howard Payne; 01/14 vs. Sul Ross State
#36	7	Emory	9-3	01/13 vs. #20 Washington U.; 01/15 vs. T#40 Chicago
T#37	5	Hamilton	10-2	01/13 at Bates; 01/14 at #6 Tufts
T#37	5	St. Thomas	9-4	LOST to St. Olaf, 56-64; 01/14 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
#39	4	Williams	11-3	01/13 at Colby; 01/14 at Bowdoin
T#40	2	Chicago	8-4	01/13 at #3 Rochester; 01/15 at #36 Emory
T#40	2	Maryville (Tenn.)	11-1	won at Covenant, 83-75; 01/13 at Greensboro; 01/14 at Methodist
T#40	2	UW-Stout	11-3	LOST at UW-Stevens Point, 68-71; 01/14 vs. UW-La Crosse