Top 25 talk

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 12, 2017, 10:22:06 PM

So, I've been working for two hours to talk myself into a #25 on my ballot this week. I honestly have no idea where I'm going to go. I've never been this stumped.

Knightstalker · February 13, 2017, 04:09:20 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 12, 2017, 10:22:06 PM

So, I've been working for two hours to talk myself into a #25 on my ballot this week. I honestly have no idea where I'm going to go. I've never been this stumped.

Let me help you out. NJCU

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 13, 2017, 04:42:16 PM

I'll admit... the Top 25 is more confusing. I feel like it is a turnstile in terms of teams moving in and out of the ballot. The only thing I am comfortable with, and that's a stretch, is the top 7.

mailsy · February 13, 2017, 07:21:42 PM

I see the new top 25 is out.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/week11

I see Neumann dropped a wee bit.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 14, 2017, 02:59:58 PM

My Top 25 thoughts this week: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2017/02/14/daves-top-25-ballot-16-17-week-11/

WUPHF · February 14, 2017, 04:52:58 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2017, 02:59:58 PM
My Top 25 thoughts this week: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2017/02/14/daves-top-25-ballot-16-17-week-11/

I was a little surprised by that Chicago win over Rochester. Their schedule and record, duly noted, but two losses to Emory and two losses to Carnegie Mellon... The buzzer beater win over Case Western Reserve could not have been a closer call...

Gregory Sager · February 14, 2017, 05:24:16 PM

Chicago is a very talented team that is absolutely atrocious at the free-throw line. At .617 the Maroons rank 400th out of 412 teams in D3 in free-throw shooting. Given what are otherwise outstanding shooting splits by the South Siders (.497 FG%, good for 12th in D3, and .388 trey%, good for 31st in D3), their persistent clankitude from the charity stripe is inexplicable. It's cost the Maroons at least a couple of losses (including, I admit, the one they suffered at the hands of my alma mater), and it's a very big reason why the game at CWRU and the win over Wheaton went right down to the wire.

Pat Coleman · February 14, 2017, 10:56:43 PM

Ouch. That's rank, alright.

gordonmann · February 14, 2017, 11:00:48 PM

Makes sense. Pat and I watched the Rochester game online and I said the Maroons would've won going away if they could hit free throws.

Knightstalker · February 14, 2017, 11:37:35 PM

I never could understand not being able to hit free throws. I think part of the problem is players are no longer coached to use the backboard to hit them. I sometimes think that players should learn the old Rick Barry between the knees shot. His son just broke the Florida consecutive free throw record using his dads "granny shot". I tried to teach the Stalkerette to use it, but she hasn't listened yet.

Swish3 · February 15, 2017, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: Knightstalker on February 14, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
I never could understand not being able to hit free throws. I think part of the problem is players are no longer coached to use the backboard to hit them. I sometimes think that players should learn the old Rick Barry between the knees shot. His son just broke the Florida consecutive free throw record using his dads "granny shot". I tried to teach the Stalkerette to use it, but she hasn't listened yet.

Umm, I don't know about any others, but I haven't ever heard of a coach teaching their players to shoot free throws off the backboard....

Knightstalker · February 15, 2017, 09:47:18 AM

Quote from: Swish3 on February 15, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on February 14, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
I never could understand not being able to hit free throws. I think part of the problem is players are no longer coached to use the backboard to hit them. I sometimes think that players should learn the old Rick Barry between the knees shot. His son just broke the Florida consecutive free throw record using his dads "granny shot". I tried to teach the Stalkerette to use it, but she hasn't listened yet.

Umm, I don't know about any others, but I haven't ever heard of a coach teaching their players to shoot free throws off the backboard....

Well when I played youth basketball and freshman basketball back in the 70's we were coached to use the backboard on free throws. We were coached to use the backboard on all shots, layups, jump shots and free throws. There was no thing as "nothing but net" for us. Of course that was also when high school final scores were quite often 21-18. There was no 3 point shot except in the ABA, we ran half court offenses almost exclusively and played grind it out games and you needed your basketball helmet and shoulder pads.

Swish3 · February 15, 2017, 10:06:21 AM

Quote from: Knightstalker on February 15, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 15, 2017, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on February 14, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
I never could understand not being able to hit free throws. I think part of the problem is players are no longer coached to use the backboard to hit them. I sometimes think that players should learn the old Rick Barry between the knees shot. His son just broke the Florida consecutive free throw record using his dads "granny shot". I tried to teach the Stalkerette to use it, but she hasn't listened yet.

Umm, I don't know about any others, but I haven't ever heard of a coach teaching their players to shoot free throws off the backboard....

Well when I played youth basketball and freshman basketball back in the 70's we were coached to use the backboard on free throws. We were coached to use the backboard on all shots, layups, jump shots and free throws. There was no thing as "nothing but net" for us. Of course that was also when high school final scores were quite often 21-18. There was no 3 point shot except in the ABA, we ran half court offenses almost exclusively and played grind it out games and you needed your basketball helmet and shoulder pads.

Players should absolutely use the backboard from a 45 degree angle, but using it from straight on seems odd to me...anyway, I enjoyed your commentary...always fun to reminisce!

WUPHF · February 15, 2017, 10:18:27 AM

Quote from: Knightstalker on February 15, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Well when I played youth basketball and freshman basketball back in the 70's we were coached to use the backboard on free throws. We were coached to use the backboard on all shots, layups, jump shots and free throws.

This was true in the mid 80's as well.

To your point about the lower hand free throw, maybe if the coaches punished players who shot below the team benchmark for free throw percentage to use only that technique in subsequent practices, players would work harder to practice and execute free throws.

Knightstalker · February 15, 2017, 10:26:50 AM

Quote from: WUH on February 15, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on February 15, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Well when I played youth basketball and freshman basketball back in the 70's we were coached to use the backboard on free throws. We were coached to use the backboard on all shots, layups, jump shots and free throws.

This was true in the mid 80's as well.

To your point about the lower hand free throw, maybe if the coaches punished players who shot below the team benchmark for free throw percentage to use only that technique in subsequent practices, players would work harder to practice and execute free throws.

When I first started to play basketball my mom taught me the granny shot. That is how girls basketball players shot free throws in the early 40's when she was in high school. That was also when girls were not allowed to play interscholastic sports just intramural sports. My mom was a good athlete back then, my uncles used to talk about how some boys would get pissed off at her because she was picked before them for baseball and basketball pick up games. She also taught me how to hit a baseball. Dad couldn't hit a baseball well, but he could hammer a spaldine. He grew up in Brooklyn playing stick ball.