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Quote from: Knightstalker on February 15, 2017, 10:26:50 AM
When I first started to play basketball my mom taught me the granny shot.  That is how girls basketball players shot free throws in the early 40's when she was in high school.  That was also when girls were not allowed to play interscholastic sports just intramural sports.  My mom was a good athlete back then, my uncles used to talk about how some boys would get pissed off at her because she was picked before them for baseball and basketball pick up games. 

That is an awesome story...

I had a chance to follow a high school girls program for a few years...I still remember the first game I watched.  I know I was not the only one thinking this is not how girls are supposed to play.

WUPHF

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2017, 05:24:16 PM
It's cost the Maroons at least a couple of losses (including, I admit, the one they suffered at the hands of my alma mater), and it's a very big reason why the game at CWRU and the win over Wheaton went right down to the wire.

I can agree that free throw shooting can be a deciding factor in games...

There are games such as Rochester-Rochester Tech which was decided by two free throws awarded as the clock expired.  Then, there is Chicago-Case Western in which Chicago shot 11-32 from the line.  And, the box score does not record those missed opportunities at the line.

As the games get closer though, the art and science of the discussion gets much more difficult...

For example, look at Washington University vs. Chicago in which the Maroons shot 55% on 5-9 shooting.  Even if we were to account for the additional second chances that an 80% shooting effort would have added, we are left guessing how both teams would have played the last minute and the last 10 minutes for that matter as teams adjust to the score.

Not saying anything you don't already know, just saying...

Gregory Sager

That's why I was only specific about one loss, the defeat at the hands of NPU on opening night. The Maroons went 12-23 (52%) from the line in that game and lost it when the Vikings came back from a five-point deficit in the final 12 seconds, culminating in their hitting the game-winner on a stepback fadeaway trey that was in midair when the buzzer went off. Chicago missed two free throws in the final 31 seconds of that game, so it's pretty evident that poor Maroons free-throw shooting was what caused the game to be even slightly winnable for NPU in those final 12 seconds.

There are three other Chicago losses in which halfway-decent FT shooting by Mike McGrath's boys would have at least shaped the endgame differently and could have led to a Maroons win. You mentioned the Wash U game, and to that I would add the road loss at Rochester (the Maroons missed the front end of a one-and-one while up by three with three and a half minutes left, and then a minute later missed another front end of a one-and-one while down by two) and the overtime loss at home to Carnegie Mellon (the Maroons went 4-10 from the stripe in the second half). Between those three losses, it's reasonable to guess that Chicago would've won at least one of them, if not more.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Wow ... I ran this report last night, copied it, previewed it ... but must have forgotten to hit post. Ah, well, better late than never.

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1614Babson23-1def. Coast Guard, 103-88; 02/18 vs. #28 MIT
#2611Whitman23-002/17 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/18 vs. George Fox
#3573Christopher Newport22-2won at Southern Virginia, 69-45; 02/18 at York (Pa.)
#4528UW-River Falls21-3LOST at #31 UW-Eau Claire, 80-83; 02/18 at UW-Platteville
#5520Whitworth20-302/17 vs. George Fox; 02/18 vs. Lewis and Clark
#6483Rochester20-202/17 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/19 vs. Case Western Reserve
#7450Washington U.18-402/17 at New York University; 02/19 at Brandeis
#8431Ramapo23-2won at Rowan, 90-71
#9426Marietta20-4def. Muskingum, 94-76; 02/18 vs. T#34 Ohio Northern
#10410Middlebury21-3won at Plattsburgh State, 91-70; 02/18 vs. Bates
#11373Salisbury19-5LOST at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-85; 02/18 at Frostburg State
#12320Benedictine20-402/18 vs. Lakeland
#13295Tufts19-502/18 vs. Hamilton
#14290St. Norbert18-4def. Lake Forest, 64-58; 02/18 vs. Beloit
#15281Susquehanna20-4LOST at Scranton, 66-75; 02/18 at Elizabethtown
#16247Hope20-4def. Kalamazoo, 72-65; 02/18 vs. Calvin
#17199UW-Whitewater19-5LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 63-67; 02/18 vs. #31 UW-Eau Claire
#18194Amherst17-602/18 vs. Williams
#19165Denison20-4def. Hiram, 80-66; 02/18 vs. Wabash
#20137Neumann22-2def. Cabrini, 73-69; 02/18 at Marywood
#21130Swarthmore20-4won at Haverford, 86-63; 02/18 at Franklin and Marshall
#2288Hanover20-3won at Mount St. Joseph, 72-64; 02/18 at Bluffton
#2384Augustana18-502/18 at North Park
#2483Wesleyan19-502/18 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#2559Claremont-Mudd-Scripps18-302/16 vs. Cal Lutheran; 02/18 vs. Chapman


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2647Guilford19-5LOST to Emory and Henry, 60-65; 02/18 at Bridgewater (Va.)
#2718New Jersey City19-6def. Stockton, 73-63
#2817MIT19-5def. Emerson, 74-70 OT; 02/18 at #1 Babson
#2914Brockport18-502/17 vs. Cortland; 02/18 vs. #32 Oswego State
#3010Ohio Wesleyan18-6won at Wittenberg, 72-70; 02/18 at Allegheny
#318UW-Eau Claire18-6def. #4 UW-River Falls, 83-80; 02/18 at #17 UW-Whitewater
#325Oswego State18-502/17 at SUNY Geneseo; 02/18 at #29 Brockport
#334John Carroll17-6won at Heidelberg, 88-75; 02/18 vs. Capital
T#342Endicott19-5def. Salve Regina, 79-44; 02/18 vs. Western New England
T#342Illinois Wesleyan      16-7LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 67-81; 02/18 vs. North Central (Ill.)
T#342Ohio Northern16-8def. Otterbein, 98-55; 02/18 at #9 Marietta
T#342St. John Fisher18-5def. Elmira, 75-63; 02/17 at Stevens; 02/18 at Hartwick
T#342St. Thomas18-6LOST at St. Olaf, 65-74; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-57; 02/18 at Concordia-Moorhead
#391Carleton16-8def. Concordia-Moorhead, 84-58; won at St. Olaf, 67-49; 02/18 at Gustavus Adolphus

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

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sac

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Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: sac on February 17, 2017, 01:29:42 AM
Cal Lutheran 61  #25 Claremont MS 58

Three out of four now.
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Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1614Babson24-1def. Coast Guard, 103-88; def. #28 MIT, 70-67
#2611Whitman25-0def. Lewis and Clark, 97-73; def. George Fox, 109-95
#3573Christopher Newport23-2won at Southern Virginia, 69-45; won at York (Pa.), 70-59
#4528UW-River Falls22-3LOST at #31 UW-Eau Claire, 80-83; won at UW-Platteville, 65-61
#5520Whitworth22-3def. George Fox, 91-70; def. Lewis and Clark, 82-73
#6483Rochester21-3def. Carnegie Mellon, 82-67; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 72-76
#7450Washington U.20-4won at New York University, 91-66; won at Brandeis, 95-91
#8431Ramapo23-2won at Rowan, 90-71
#9426Marietta21-4def. Muskingum, 94-76; def. T#34 Ohio Northern, 100-85
#10410Middlebury22-3won at Plattsburgh State, 91-70; def. Bates, 88-84
#11373Salisbury19-6LOST at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-85; LOST at Frostburg State, 80-86 OT
#12320Benedictine21-4def. Lakeland, 78-67
#13295Tufts20-5def. Hamilton, 81-63
#14290St. Norbert19-4def. Lake Forest, 64-58; def. Beloit, 73-62
#15281Susquehanna21-4LOST at Scranton, 66-75; won at Elizabethtown, 82-69
#16247Hope20-5def. Kalamazoo, 72-65; LOST to Calvin, 62-65 OT
#17199UW-Whitewater20-5LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 63-67; def. #31 UW-Eau Claire, 70-68 OT
#18194Amherst17-7LOST to Williams, 69-76
#19165Denison21-4def. Hiram, 80-66; def. Wabash, 76-65
#20137Neumann23-2def. Cabrini, 73-69; won at Marywood, 86-66
#21130Swarthmore20-5won at Haverford, 86-63; LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 66-93
#2288Hanover21-3won at Mount St. Joseph, 72-64; won at Bluffton, 65-64
#2384Augustana18-6LOST at North Park, 82-87 OT
#2483Wesleyan19-6LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 49-51
#2559Claremont-Mudd-Scripps19-4LOST to Cal Lutheran, 58-61; def. Chapman, 62-50


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2647Guilford20-5LOST to Emory and Henry, 60-65; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 63-57
#2718New Jersey City20-6def. Stockton, 73-63; def. Stockton, 97-87
#2817MIT19-6def. Emerson, 74-70 OT; LOST at #1 Babson, 67-70
#2914Brockport19-6LOST to Cortland, 74-79; def. #32 Oswego State, 80-75
#3010Ohio Wesleyan19-6won at Wittenberg, 72-70; won at Allegheny, 110-55
#318UW-Eau Claire18-7def. #4 UW-River Falls, 83-80; LOST at #17 UW-Whitewater, 68-70 OT
#325Oswego State19-6won at SUNY Geneseo, 80-75; LOST at #29 Brockport, 75-80
#334John Carroll17-7won at Heidelberg, 88-75; LOST to Capital, 75-76
T#342Endicott20-5def. Salve Regina, 79-44; def. Western New England, 84-72
T#342Illinois Wesleyan     16-8LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 67-81; LOST to North Central (Ill.), 80-82 OT
T#342Ohio Northern16-9def. Otterbein, 98-55; LOST at #9 Marietta, 85-100
T#342St. John Fisher20-5def. Elmira, 75-63; won at Stevens, 94-86 OT; won at Hartwick, 90-88 OT
T#342St. Thomas19-6LOST at St. Olaf, 65-74; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-57; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 81-70
#391Carleton17-8def. Concordia-Moorhead, 84-58; won at St. Olaf, 67-49; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 63-60

Gregory Sager

Wow. The poll's bottom four, and eight of the bottom eleven, all lost last week ... and none of them lost to a fellow ranked team. In fact, none of them lost to a team that was even in the ORV category.

Speaking of which, nine of the fourteen ORV teams lost last week, one of them (Illinois Wesleyan) twice. And only three of those nine ORV teams that lost fell victim to a ranked team, although one of them lost to a fellow ORV team.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Ran out of time today to get this out before the show started, but taking care if it now while I have the opportunity (during the show).

The time is now. Teams who want or think they should be playing in March need to get the job done now. This week all conferences, except the UAA, will dive into conference tournaments to determine who will win an automatic bid to the NCAA Championship Tournament. For those who can't win the AQ, then they have to make sure to present the best resume possible to the national committees and that means taking care of business the best they can.

Who is in and who is out? We will figure that out over the course of next week and on next week's Hoopsville Special. In the meantime on tonight's Hoopsville, Dave McHugh talks to a few teams who are looking to position themselves to be in the conversation. We also preview many of the conference races and look at who may already be in trouble when it comes to playing basketball in March.

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Smitty Oom

Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1614Babson24-1def. Coast Guard, 103-88; def. #28 MIT, 70-67
#2611Whitman25-0def. Lewis and Clark, 97-73; def. George Fox, 109-95
#3573Christopher Newport23-2won at Southern Virginia, 69-45; won at York (Pa.), 70-59
#4528UW-River Falls22-3LOST at #31 UW-Eau Claire, 80-83; won at UW-Platteville, 65-61
#5520Whitworth22-3def. George Fox, 91-70; def. Lewis and Clark, 82-73
#6483Rochester21-3def. Carnegie Mellon, 82-67; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 72-76
#7450Washington U.20-4won at New York University, 91-66; won at Brandeis, 95-91
#8431Ramapo23-2won at Rowan, 90-71
#9426Marietta21-4def. Muskingum, 94-76; def. T#34 Ohio Northern, 100-85
#10410Middlebury22-3won at Plattsburgh State, 91-70; def. Bates, 88-84
#11373Salisbury19-6LOST at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-85; LOST at Frostburg State, 80-86 OT
#12320Benedictine21-4def. Lakeland, 78-67
#13295Tufts20-5def. Hamilton, 81-63
#14290St. Norbert19-4def. Lake Forest, 64-58; def. Beloit, 73-62
#15281Susquehanna21-4LOST at Scranton, 66-75; won at Elizabethtown, 82-69
#16247Hope20-5def. Kalamazoo, 72-65; LOST to Calvin, 62-65 OT
#17199UW-Whitewater20-5LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 63-67; def. #31 UW-Eau Claire, 70-68 OT
#18194Amherst17-7LOST to Williams, 69-76
#19165Denison21-4def. Hiram, 80-66; def. Wabash, 76-65
#20137Neumann23-2def. Cabrini, 73-69; won at Marywood, 86-66
#21130Swarthmore20-5won at Haverford, 86-63; LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 66-93
#2288Hanover21-3won at Mount St. Joseph, 72-64; won at Bluffton, 65-64
#2384Augustana18-6LOST at North Park, 82-87 OT
#2483Wesleyan19-6LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 49-51
#2559Claremont-Mudd-Scripps19-4LOST to Cal Lutheran, 58-61; def. Chapman, 62-50


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2647Guilford20-5LOST to Emory and Henry, 60-65; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 63-57
#2718New Jersey City20-6def. Stockton, 73-63; def. Stockton, 97-87
#2817MIT19-6def. Emerson, 74-70 OT; LOST at #1 Babson, 67-70
#2914Brockport19-6LOST to Cortland, 74-79; def. #32 Oswego State, 80-75
#3010Ohio Wesleyan19-6won at Wittenberg, 72-70; won at Allegheny, 110-55
#318UW-Eau Claire18-7def. #4 UW-River Falls, 83-80; LOST at #17 UW-Whitewater, 68-70 OT
#325Oswego State19-6won at SUNY Geneseo, 80-75; LOST at #29 Brockport, 75-80
#334John Carroll17-7won at Heidelberg, 88-75; LOST to Capital, 75-76
T#342Endicott20-5def. Salve Regina, 79-44; def. Western New England, 84-72
T#342Illinois Wesleyan     16-8LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 67-81; LOST to North Central (Ill.), 80-82 OT
T#342Ohio Northern16-9def. Otterbein, 98-55; LOST at #9 Marietta, 85-100
T#342St. John Fisher20-5def. Elmira, 75-63; won at Stevens, 94-86 OT; won at Hartwick, 90-88 OT
T#342St. Thomas19-6LOST at St. Olaf, 65-74; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-57; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 81-70
#391Carleton17-8def. Concordia-Moorhead, 84-58; won at St. Olaf, 67-49; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 63-60

Will be interesting to see what happens to Carleton in the polls today...They have to be one of the hottest teams in the nation currently. They will be on more ballots for sure this week around but will it be enough to get into the top 25? Probably not, but a strong case could (and should IMO) be made for them.

Mr. Ypsi

While exceptions could be made for BeltTH holders who pulled obvious upsets and then almost immediately lost ItTM, anyone who has successfully defended The BeltTM /sup] (sorry - by decree of Just Bill, as long as Carleton can succeed in defense, it shall be known as The Goat BeltTM) as many times as they have should not just be in the top 25 but probably the top 10! ;D

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

New Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/week12

And because I needed to get ahead of things (and the wife could take care of the kids today), here is my blog already done! http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2017/02/20/daves-top-25-ballot-16-17-week-12/
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Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2017, 01:43:04 AM
While exceptions could be made for BeltTH holders who pulled obvious upsets and then almost immediately lost ItTM, anyone who has successfully defended The BeltTM /sup] (sorry - by decree of Just Bill, as long as Carleton can succeed in defense, it shall be known as The Goat BeltTM ) as many times as they have should not just be in the top 25 but probably the top 10! ;D

The Goat BeltTM is not getting proper respect! :o ;D  At least Carleton did rise from 1 point to 8 points.