Top 25 talk

WUPHF · February 15, 2017, 10:48:19 AM

Quote from: Knightstalker on February 15, 2017, 10:26:50 AM
When I first started to play basketball my mom taught me the granny shot. That is how girls basketball players shot free throws in the early 40's when she was in high school. That was also when girls were not allowed to play interscholastic sports just intramural sports. My mom was a good athlete back then, my uncles used to talk about how some boys would get pissed off at her because she was picked before them for baseball and basketball pick up games.

That is an awesome story...

I had a chance to follow a high school girls program for a few years...I still remember the first game I watched. I know I was not the only one thinking this is not how girls are supposed to play.

WUPHF · February 15, 2017, 10:48:47 AM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2017, 05:24:16 PM
It's cost the Maroons at least a couple of losses (including, I admit, the one they suffered at the hands of my alma mater), and it's a very big reason why the game at CWRU and the win over Wheaton went right down to the wire.

I can agree that free throw shooting can be a deciding factor in games...

There are games such as Rochester-Rochester Tech which was decided by two free throws awarded as the clock expired. Then, there is Chicago-Case Western in which Chicago shot 11-32 from the line. And, the box score does not record those missed opportunities at the line.

As the games get closer though, the art and science of the discussion gets much more difficult...

For example, look at Washington University vs. Chicago in which the Maroons shot 55% on 5-9 shooting. Even if we were to account for the additional second chances that an 80% shooting effort would have added, we are left guessing how both teams would have played the last minute and the last 10 minutes for that matter as teams adjust to the score.

Not saying anything you don't already know, just saying...

Gregory Sager · February 15, 2017, 01:07:25 PM

That's why I was only specific about one loss, the defeat at the hands of NPU on opening night. The Maroons went 12-23 (52%) from the line in that game and lost it when the Vikings came back from a five-point deficit in the final 12 seconds, culminating in their hitting the game-winner on a stepback fadeaway trey that was in midair when the buzzer went off. Chicago missed two free throws in the final 31 seconds of that game, so it's pretty evident that poor Maroons free-throw shooting was what caused the game to be even slightly winnable for NPU in those final 12 seconds.

There are three other Chicago losses in which halfway-decent FT shooting by Mike McGrath's boys would have at least shaped the endgame differently and could have led to a Maroons win. You mentioned the Wash U game, and to that I would add the road loss at Rochester (the Maroons missed the front end of a one-and-one while up by three with three and a half minutes left, and then a minute later missed another front end of a one-and-one while down by two) and the overtime loss at home to Carnegie Mellon (the Maroons went 4-10 from the stripe in the second half). Between those three losses, it's reasonable to guess that Chicago would've won at least one of them, if not more.

Darryl Nester · February 16, 2017, 02:29:35 PM

How They Fared (So Far)

Wow ... I ran this report last night, copied it, previewed it ... but must have forgotten to hit post. Ah, well, better late than never.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	614	Babson	23-1	def. Coast Guard, 103-88; 02/18 vs. #28 MIT
#2	611	Whitman	23-0	02/17 vs. Lewis and Clark; 02/18 vs. George Fox
#3	573	Christopher Newport	22-2	won at Southern Virginia, 69-45; 02/18 at York (Pa.)
#4	528	UW-River Falls	21-3	LOST at #31 UW-Eau Claire, 80-83; 02/18 at UW-Platteville
#5	520	Whitworth	20-3	02/17 vs. George Fox; 02/18 vs. Lewis and Clark
#6	483	Rochester	20-2	02/17 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/19 vs. Case Western Reserve
#7	450	Washington U.	18-4	02/17 at New York University; 02/19 at Brandeis
#8	431	Ramapo	23-2	won at Rowan, 90-71
#9	426	Marietta	20-4	def. Muskingum, 94-76; 02/18 vs. T#34 Ohio Northern
#10	410	Middlebury	21-3	won at Plattsburgh State, 91-70; 02/18 vs. Bates
#11	373	Salisbury	19-5	LOST at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-85; 02/18 at Frostburg State
#12	320	Benedictine	20-4	02/18 vs. Lakeland
#13	295	Tufts	19-5	02/18 vs. Hamilton
#14	290	St. Norbert	18-4	def. Lake Forest, 64-58; 02/18 vs. Beloit
#15	281	Susquehanna	20-4	LOST at Scranton, 66-75; 02/18 at Elizabethtown
#16	247	Hope	20-4	def. Kalamazoo, 72-65; 02/18 vs. Calvin
#17	199	UW-Whitewater	19-5	LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 63-67; 02/18 vs. #31 UW-Eau Claire
#18	194	Amherst	17-6	02/18 vs. Williams
#19	165	Denison	20-4	def. Hiram, 80-66; 02/18 vs. Wabash
#20	137	Neumann	22-2	def. Cabrini, 73-69; 02/18 at Marywood
#21	130	Swarthmore	20-4	won at Haverford, 86-63; 02/18 at Franklin and Marshall
#22	88	Hanover	20-3	won at Mount St. Joseph, 72-64; 02/18 at Bluffton
#23	84	Augustana	18-5	02/18 at North Park
#24	83	Wesleyan	19-5	02/18 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#25	59	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	18-3	02/16 vs. Cal Lutheran; 02/18 vs. Chapman

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	47	Guilford	19-5	LOST to Emory and Henry, 60-65; 02/18 at Bridgewater (Va.)
#27	18	New Jersey City	19-6	def. Stockton, 73-63
#28	17	MIT	19-5	def. Emerson, 74-70 OT; 02/18 at #1 Babson
#29	14	Brockport	18-5	02/17 vs. Cortland; 02/18 vs. #32 Oswego State
#30	10	Ohio Wesleyan	18-6	won at Wittenberg, 72-70; 02/18 at Allegheny
#31	8	UW-Eau Claire	18-6	def. #4 UW-River Falls, 83-80; 02/18 at #17 UW-Whitewater
#32	5	Oswego State	18-5	02/17 at SUNY Geneseo; 02/18 at #29 Brockport
#33	4	John Carroll	17-6	won at Heidelberg, 88-75; 02/18 vs. Capital
T#34	2	Endicott	19-5	def. Salve Regina, 79-44; 02/18 vs. Western New England
T#34	2	Illinois Wesleyan	16-7	LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 67-81; 02/18 vs. North Central (Ill.)
T#34	2	Ohio Northern	16-8	def. Otterbein, 98-55; 02/18 at #9 Marietta
T#34	2	St. John Fisher	18-5	def. Elmira, 75-63; 02/17 at Stevens; 02/18 at Hartwick
T#34	2	St. Thomas	18-6	LOST at St. Olaf, 65-74; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-57; 02/18 at Concordia-Moorhead
#39	1	Carleton	16-8	def. Concordia-Moorhead, 84-58; won at St. Olaf, 67-49; 02/18 at Gustavus Adolphus

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 16, 2017, 06:43:46 PM

The Division III season has officially entered "Crunch Time." Regular season schedules are wrapping up, conference tournaments are about to begin, teams are jockeying for conference position or trying to win home-court advantage. And it is all happening the uncertainty of whether NCAA tournament berths are available for a lot of teams.

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sac · February 17, 2017, 01:29:42 AM

Cal Lutheran 61 #25 Claremont MS 58

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 17, 2017, 08:09:08 AM

Quote from: sac on February 17, 2017, 01:29:42 AM
Cal Lutheran 61 #25 Claremont MS 58

Three out of four now.

WUPHF · February 19, 2017, 01:47:25 PM

SUNDAYS IN THE UAA!

7-16 (2-10) CASE WESTERN RESERVE KNOCKS OFF NO. 6 ROCHESTER, 76-72.

Darryl Nester · February 19, 2017, 05:35:20 PM

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	614	Babson	24-1	def. Coast Guard, 103-88; def. #28 MIT, 70-67
#2	611	Whitman	25-0	def. Lewis and Clark, 97-73; def. George Fox, 109-95
#3	573	Christopher Newport	23-2	won at Southern Virginia, 69-45; won at York (Pa.), 70-59
#4	528	UW-River Falls	22-3	LOST at #31 UW-Eau Claire, 80-83; won at UW-Platteville, 65-61
#5	520	Whitworth	22-3	def. George Fox, 91-70; def. Lewis and Clark, 82-73
#6	483	Rochester	21-3	def. Carnegie Mellon, 82-67; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 72-76
#7	450	Washington U.	20-4	won at New York University, 91-66; won at Brandeis, 95-91
#8	431	Ramapo	23-2	won at Rowan, 90-71
#9	426	Marietta	21-4	def. Muskingum, 94-76; def. T#34 Ohio Northern, 100-85
#10	410	Middlebury	22-3	won at Plattsburgh State, 91-70; def. Bates, 88-84
#11	373	Salisbury	19-6	LOST at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-85; LOST at Frostburg State, 80-86 OT
#12	320	Benedictine	21-4	def. Lakeland, 78-67
#13	295	Tufts	20-5	def. Hamilton, 81-63
#14	290	St. Norbert	19-4	def. Lake Forest, 64-58; def. Beloit, 73-62
#15	281	Susquehanna	21-4	LOST at Scranton, 66-75; won at Elizabethtown, 82-69
#16	247	Hope	20-5	def. Kalamazoo, 72-65; LOST to Calvin, 62-65 OT
#17	199	UW-Whitewater	20-5	LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 63-67; def. #31 UW-Eau Claire, 70-68 OT
#18	194	Amherst	17-7	LOST to Williams, 69-76
#19	165	Denison	21-4	def. Hiram, 80-66; def. Wabash, 76-65
#20	137	Neumann	23-2	def. Cabrini, 73-69; won at Marywood, 86-66
#21	130	Swarthmore	20-5	won at Haverford, 86-63; LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 66-93
#22	88	Hanover	21-3	won at Mount St. Joseph, 72-64; won at Bluffton, 65-64
#23	84	Augustana	18-6	LOST at North Park, 82-87 OT
#24	83	Wesleyan	19-6	LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 49-51
#25	59	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	19-4	LOST to Cal Lutheran, 58-61; def. Chapman, 62-50

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	47	Guilford	20-5	LOST to Emory and Henry, 60-65; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 63-57
#27	18	New Jersey City	20-6	def. Stockton, 73-63; def. Stockton, 97-87
#28	17	MIT	19-6	def. Emerson, 74-70 OT; LOST at #1 Babson, 67-70
#29	14	Brockport	19-6	LOST to Cortland, 74-79; def. #32 Oswego State, 80-75
#30	10	Ohio Wesleyan	19-6	won at Wittenberg, 72-70; won at Allegheny, 110-55
#31	8	UW-Eau Claire	18-7	def. #4 UW-River Falls, 83-80; LOST at #17 UW-Whitewater, 68-70 OT
#32	5	Oswego State	19-6	won at SUNY Geneseo, 80-75; LOST at #29 Brockport, 75-80
#33	4	John Carroll	17-7	won at Heidelberg, 88-75; LOST to Capital, 75-76
T#34	2	Endicott	20-5	def. Salve Regina, 79-44; def. Western New England, 84-72
T#34	2	Illinois Wesleyan	16-8	LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 67-81; LOST to North Central (Ill.), 80-82 OT
T#34	2	Ohio Northern	16-9	def. Otterbein, 98-55; LOST at #9 Marietta, 85-100
T#34	2	St. John Fisher	20-5	def. Elmira, 75-63; won at Stevens, 94-86 OT; won at Hartwick, 90-88 OT
T#34	2	St. Thomas	19-6	LOST at St. Olaf, 65-74; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-57; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 81-70
#39	1	Carleton	17-8	def. Concordia-Moorhead, 84-58; won at St. Olaf, 67-49; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 63-60

Gregory Sager · February 19, 2017, 06:11:47 PM

Wow. The poll's bottom four, and eight of the bottom eleven, all lost last week ... and none of them lost to a fellow ranked team. In fact, none of them lost to a team that was even in the ORV category.

Speaking of which, nine of the fourteen ORV teams lost last week, one of them (Illinois Wesleyan) twice. And only three of those nine ORV teams that lost fell victim to a ranked team, although one of them lost to a fellow ORV team.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 19, 2017, 08:21:50 PM

Ran out of time today to get this out before the show started, but taking care if it now while I have the opportunity (during the show).

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Who is in and who is out? We will figure that out over the course of next week and on next week's Hoopsville Special. In the meantime on tonight's Hoopsville, Dave McHugh talks to a few teams who are looking to position themselves to be in the conversation. We also preview many of the conference races and look at who may already be in trouble when it comes to playing basketball in March.

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Smitty Oom · February 20, 2017, 12:28:30 AM

Quote from: Darryl Nester on February 19, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank Pts Team W-L Results
#1 614 Babson 24-1 def. Coast Guard, 103-88; def. #28 MIT, 70-67
#2 611 Whitman 25-0 def. Lewis and Clark, 97-73; def. George Fox, 109-95
#3 573 Christopher Newport 23-2 won at Southern Virginia, 69-45; won at York (Pa.), 70-59
#4 528 UW-River Falls 22-3 LOST at #31 UW-Eau Claire, 80-83; won at UW-Platteville, 65-61
#5 520 Whitworth 22-3 def. George Fox, 91-70; def. Lewis and Clark, 82-73
#6 483 Rochester 21-3 def. Carnegie Mellon, 82-67; LOST to Case Western Reserve, 72-76
#7 450 Washington U. 20-4 won at New York University, 91-66; won at Brandeis, 95-91
#8 431 Ramapo 23-2 won at Rowan, 90-71
#9 426 Marietta 21-4 def. Muskingum, 94-76; def. T#34 Ohio Northern, 100-85
#10 410 Middlebury 22-3 won at Plattsburgh State, 91-70; def. Bates, 88-84
#11 373 Salisbury 19-6 LOST at St. Mary's (Md.), 73-85; LOST at Frostburg State, 80-86 OT
#12 320 Benedictine 21-4 def. Lakeland, 78-67
#13 295 Tufts 20-5 def. Hamilton, 81-63
#14 290 St. Norbert 19-4 def. Lake Forest, 64-58; def. Beloit, 73-62
#15 281 Susquehanna 21-4 LOST at Scranton, 66-75; won at Elizabethtown, 82-69
#16 247 Hope 20-5 def. Kalamazoo, 72-65; LOST to Calvin, 62-65 OT
#17 199 UW-Whitewater 20-5 LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 63-67; def. #31 UW-Eau Claire, 70-68 OT
#18 194 Amherst 17-7 LOST to Williams, 69-76
#19 165 Denison 21-4 def. Hiram, 80-66; def. Wabash, 76-65
#20 137 Neumann 23-2 def. Cabrini, 73-69; won at Marywood, 86-66
#21 130 Swarthmore 20-5 won at Haverford, 86-63; LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 66-93
#22 88 Hanover 21-3 won at Mount St. Joseph, 72-64; won at Bluffton, 65-64
#23 84 Augustana 18-6 LOST at North Park, 82-87 OT
#24 83 Wesleyan 19-6 LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 49-51
#25 59 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 19-4 LOST to Cal Lutheran, 58-61; def. Chapman, 62-50

Others receiving votes
Rank Pts Team W-L Results
#26 47 Guilford 20-5 LOST to Emory and Henry, 60-65; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 63-57
#27 18 New Jersey City 20-6 def. Stockton, 73-63; def. Stockton, 97-87
#28 17 MIT 19-6 def. Emerson, 74-70 OT; LOST at #1 Babson, 67-70
#29 14 Brockport 19-6 LOST to Cortland, 74-79; def. #32 Oswego State, 80-75
#30 10 Ohio Wesleyan 19-6 won at Wittenberg, 72-70; won at Allegheny, 110-55
#31 8 UW-Eau Claire 18-7 def. #4 UW-River Falls, 83-80; LOST at #17 UW-Whitewater, 68-70 OT
#32 5 Oswego State 19-6 won at SUNY Geneseo, 80-75; LOST at #29 Brockport, 75-80
#33 4 John Carroll 17-7 won at Heidelberg, 88-75; LOST to Capital, 75-76
T#34 2 Endicott 20-5 def. Salve Regina, 79-44; def. Western New England, 84-72
T#34 2 Illinois Wesleyan 16-8 LOST at Wheaton (Ill.), 67-81; LOST to North Central (Ill.), 80-82 OT
T#34 2 Ohio Northern 16-9 def. Otterbein, 98-55; LOST at #9 Marietta, 85-100
T#34 2 St. John Fisher 20-5 def. Elmira, 75-63; won at Stevens, 94-86 OT; won at Hartwick, 90-88 OT
T#34 2 St. Thomas 19-6 LOST at St. Olaf, 65-74; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 65-57; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 81-70
#39 1 Carleton 17-8 def. Concordia-Moorhead, 84-58; won at St. Olaf, 67-49; won at Gustavus Adolphus, 63-60

Will be interesting to see what happens to Carleton in the polls today...They have to be one of the hottest teams in the nation currently. They will be on more ballots for sure this week around but will it be enough to get into the top 25? Probably not, but a strong case could (and should IMO) be made for them.

Mr. Ypsi · February 20, 2017, 01:43:04 AM

While exceptions could be made for Belt^TH holders who pulled obvious upsets and then almost immediately lost It^TM, anyone who has successfully defended The Belt^{TM /sup] (sorry - by decree of Just Bill, as long as Carleton can succeed in defense, it shall be known as The Goat Belt^TM) as many times as they have should not just be in the top 25 but probably the top 10!}

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 20, 2017, 06:19:39 PM

New Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/week12

And because I needed to get ahead of things (and the wife could take care of the kids today), here is my blog already done! http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2017/02/20/daves-top-25-ballot-16-17-week-12/

Mr. Ypsi · February 20, 2017, 07:03:51 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 20, 2017, 01:43:04 AM
While exceptions could be made for Belt^TH holders who pulled obvious upsets and then almost immediately lost It^TM, anyone who has successfully defended The Belt^{TM /sup] (sorry - by decree of Just Bill, as long as Carleton can succeed in defense, it shall be known as The Goat Belt^TM ) as many times as they have should not just be in the top 25 but probably the top 10!}

The Goat Belt^TM is not getting proper respect!

At least Carleton did rise from 1 point to 8 points.