Top 25 talk

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete) -- final report for 2016-17

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	615	Babson	25-2	def. Springfield, 67-62; LOST to #31 MIT, 62-65
#2	610	Whitman	27-0	def. George Fox, 105-75; def. #4 Whitworth, 86-83 OT
#3	573	Christopher Newport	25-2	def. Marymount, 78-53; def. #20 Salisbury, 63-62
#4	518	Whitworth	23-4	def. Linfield, 76-64; LOST at #2 Whitman, 83-86 OT
#5	492	Washington U.	20-5	LOST to Chicago, 74-81
#6	489	UW-River Falls	24-3	def. UW-La Crosse, 68-55; def. UW-Oshkosh, 60-59
#7	476	Ramapo	25-2	def. Rowan, 110-101; def. #21 New Jersey City, 67-64
#8	458	Marietta	24-4	def. Heidelberg, 94-80 OT; def. Mount Union, 100-78; def. Baldwin Wallace, 83-74
#9	446	Middlebury	24-3	def. (n) Trinity (Conn.), 76-60; def. (n) T#35 Williams, 84-62
#10	400	Rochester	21-4	LOST at Emory, 62-63
#11	374	Benedictine	23-4	def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 72-63; def. Concordia (Wis.), 93-89 2nd
#12	349	Tufts	20-6	LOST to T#35 Williams, 65-81
#13	326	St. Norbert	19-5	LOST to Lake Forest, 70-73
#14	252	Denison	22-5	def. DePauw, 85-79; LOST to (n) Wooster, 77-87
#15	251	Neumann	25-2	def. Rosemont, 87-69; def. Gwynedd Mercy, 77-53
#16	240	Hanover	23-3	def. Transylvania, 78-76; def. Mount St. Joseph, 58-51
#17	207	Susquehanna	21-5	LOST at Moravian, 69-81
#18	204	Hope	21-6	def. Alma, 63-45; LOST to Calvin, 83-86
#19	158	UW-Whitewater	21-6	def. UW-Stout, 78-69; LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 61-75
#20	123	Salisbury	20-7	def. York (Pa.), 86-80 2OT; LOST at #3 Christopher Newport, 62-63
#21	86	New Jersey City	21-7	won at TCNJ, 77-69; LOST at #7 Ramapo, 64-67
#22	70	Ohio Wesleyan	21-7	def. Kenyon, 89-81; def. Wittenberg, 77-68; LOST to Wooster, 72-76
#23	67	Amherst	17-7	IDLE
#24	50	Augustana	19-8	LOST at Illinois Wesleyan, 77-107; def. (n) North Park, 86-70; LOST to North Central (Ill.), 64-69
#25	42	Lycoming	23-4	def. Lebanon Valley, 88-64; def. Albright, 76-62

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	38	Swarthmore	22-5	def. Ursinus, 86-66; def. Dickinson, 68-64
#27	36	St. John Fisher	22-5	def. Nazareth, 76-69; def. Stevens, 80-69
#28	31	Endicott	22-6	def. Salve Regina, 110-64; def. Eastern Nazarene, 84-66; LOST at Nichols, 64-67
#29	28	Wesleyan	19-6	IDLE
#30	25	UW-Eau Claire	18-8	LOST to UW-La Crosse, 66-76
#31	21	MIT	21-6	def. (n) WPI, 63-61; won at #1 Babson, 67-62
#32	18	Guilford	23-5	def. (n) Hampden-Sydney, 63-53; def. (n) Virginia Wesleyan, 67-64; def. (n) Emory and Henry, 64-54
T#33	9	Albertus Magnus	23-4	def. Anna Maria, 92-67; def. Mount Ida, 107-68; def. Lasell, 101-83
T#33	9	Bethel	21-6	def. T#35 Carleton, 57-53; def. St. John's, 79-75
T#35	8	Carleton	18-9	def. Augsburg, 66-63; LOST at T#33 Bethel, 53-57
T#35	8	Williams	19-8	won at #12 Tufts, 81-65; LOST to (n) #9 Middlebury, 62-84
T#37	4	Brockport	19-7	LOST to (n) SUNY Oneonta, 72-85
T#37	4	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	22-4	won at Occidental, 70-66 OT; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 70-64; def. Cal Lutheran, 77-71
T#37	4	Staten Island	21-6	def. (n) Baruch, 71-54; won at CCNY, 77-66
T#40	2	Scranton	21-6	def. Catholic, 75-68; def. Moravian, 68-63
T#40	2	St. Thomas	19-7	LOST to St. John's, 78-80
T#42	1	Hardin-Simmons	22-6	def. (n) East Texas Baptist, 89-80; def. (n) Texas-Dallas, 76-61; won at LeTourneau, 104-92
T#42	1	Ripon	20-5	def. (n) Cornell, 80-79; def. (n) Lake Forest, 81-72

[monsoon]

Thanks for running these again this year, Darryl!

[Canvas Hightops]

Babson loses to MIT
Middlebury beats Williams.
Babson has a better record, Middlebury has higher SoS and RPI.
Who gets the higher seed?

[nescac1]

I think Midd actually had an argument even before this weekend.  Now?  Midd has to be the top seed in the northeast.  Look at Midd's array of impressive wins: Williams, Amherst, Wesleyan, Skidmore, Illinois Wesleyan, Keene State, Trinity x2. Looks like 6-3 vs. regionally ranked opponents.   Really solid.  And they are on an 11 game winning streak, most of which have come by huge margins despite playing quality opponents.  Babson's best wins?  Tufts, Endicott and MIT x2.  I think Babson is only 4-2 vs. regionally ranked opponents, with only one win vs. a team in the top five of New England.  Not bad, but Midd has more quality wins, and Babson is stumbling (due I suspect to key injuries) into the tourney following two straight narrow escapes and a loss, all of them at home. 

Oddly, Babson beat two of the teams who beat Midd -- Tufts and Endicott, and Midd beat one of the two teams who beat Babson -- Amherst. 

I'd be stunned if Babson gets seeded above Midd when all is said and done -- but we will find out soon! 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

It is nearly time to tip up the ball on the NCAA Division III Basketball Tournaments. Who will end up in Grand Rapids and Salem with a chance at a national title?

On Thursday's nights Hoopsville, Dave McHugh gives his preview of the two tournaments and who may be the surprises, who can pull off an upset, who are the favorites to make a run, and who just might walk away with the walnut and bronze.

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[AndOne]

Waiting to see what current #11 Benedictine (21-4) and #13 St. Norbert (19-4) do once they get into the national tournament and have to play teams outside of their very weak conferences. I'm not saying either BU or StN isn't a decent team. However, by playing in the NACC, where 7 of the other 10 teams do not have winning records, BU gets to rack up a high number of basically automatic wins. Likewise, StN enjoys dominating the equally weak MWC where teams are limited to 23 regular season games, and 6 of the other 9 teams will finish at .500 or below. The #3 seed in the Midwest Conference tournament has only a 12-11 record, and will almost assuredly lose it's 1st round game to finish the season at a robust .500.
If either BU or STN played in conferences such as the CCIW, WIAC, or NESCAC, they would be middle of the pack teams, and wouldn't be enjoying national #11 and #13 rankings.

As I thought.

Norbert's schedule was so weak they weren't even selected for the tournament despite a 19-5 record! I bet they mention that a lot on the recruiting trail.

#10 Benedictine (395 points in the latest poll and 23-4 coming in) was plastered by 26 points by Wartburg who received all of 1 point in the same current poll. 

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

A little look back to see how the preseason poll has fared...

#	School (1st votes)	Pts	Tournament
1	Amherst (10)	590	R1 Keene St
2	Christopher Newport (6)	582	S16
3	Babson (6)	545	S16
4	St. Norbert	531	None
5	Tufts	465	S16
6	Benedictine (2)	457	R1 Wartburg
7	Wooster	446	R1 North Central
8	Ohio Wesleyan	388	None
9	Whitman	384	S16
10	St. Thomas (1)	344	R1 Augustana
11	John Carroll	306	None
12	Whitworth	289	R1 C-M-S
13	North Central (Ill.)	286	R2 Hanover
14	Alma	261	None
15	Emory	254	R2 Hardin-Simmons
16	Virginia Wesleyan	234	None
17	Marietta	200	S16
18	Augustana	164	S16
19	Keene State	146	S16
20	Washington U.	139	R2 Hope
21	UW-Oshkosh	128	R1 Hope
22	Hope	127	S16
23	Franklin & Marshall	117	None
24	Middlebury	88	S16
25	Susquehanna	86	S16
--	--	--	--
26	Endicott	79	S16
36	Rochester	18	S16
40	Hardin-Simmons	11	S16
NR	Hanover	0	S16
NR	Wartburg	0	S16
NR	Williams	0	S16

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

11 of the top 26 have made the Sweet 16, 3 made the 2nd round (1 lost to another ranked team), 6 lost 1st round (4 to other ranked teams), and 6 missed the tournament
60% of the teams either made the Sweet 16 or were beaten by another team in the rankings.

Considering how much we talk about preseason polls not meaning anything and whether the first poll should wait until January... I think that it wasn't a bad effort at guessing the last 16 this season.

[Gregory Sager]

Thanks for doing this, Grizz. It would be interesting to look back at previous seasons to give a basis for comparison in terms of how well the pollsters fared with this preseason poll.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Division III NCAA tournaments have already seen their fair share of twists and turns. Both defending champions eliminated on the opening night, several home teams beaten, off-the-radar squads tearing Top 10 teams apart, and much more.

It has been an exciting start. What's next?

Can the home teams parlay a perceived advantage into a Championship Weekend appearence? What Cinderalla team will hear the chimes of midnight? What program will continue to make history? How will the battle of Top 25 teams shake out? And will a storied career end this weekend or in Salem?

There is plenty to talk about ahead of the Sectional Weekend and Dave McHugh has a super-sized list of guests on Thursday night's Hoopsville.

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Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
- Brian Morehouse, No. 18 Hope women's coach
- Trevor Woodruff, No. 17 Scranton women's coach
- Craig Carse, Hardin-Simmons men's coach
- Ruth Sinn, No. 2 St. Thomas women's coach
- Michelle Ferenz, No. 16 Whitman women's coach
- Kevin App, Williams men's coach
- Grey Giovanine, Augustana men's coach

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[smedindy]

Who back in December thought Babson was terribly overrated? 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Who back in December thought Babson was terribly overrated? 

Not me.  It's hard to overrate a team with Joey Flannery.

But more to the point, who three weeks ago thought Augie could come within one point of the title?!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Who back in December thought Babson was terribly overrated? 

Not me.  It's hard to overrate a team with Joey Flannery.

But more to the point, who three weeks ago thought Augie could come within one point of the title?!

Not even Augie.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I just finished my final poll.  I had 11 teams on the final poll who also appeared on my preseason ballot.  I did have Babson #2 then and quickly moved them to #1.  Whatever else I got wrong in the tourney preview (and there was A LOT I got wrong), I did correctly predict the champion, although I never imagined, even Friday afternoon, that Augie could ever get that close.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm eager to see whether the pollsters have Augie or Whitman #2 in the final poll.  Despite Augie coming within a blocked lay-up (by the national POY, no less) of the title, I'd lean towards Whitman - 1 loss vs. 8 losses is a pretty big difference.

In the women's poll, #2 is easy, IMO.  Tufts was 30-0 against everyone not named Amherst, so 3 losses vs. the 1 loss of several teams is by no means disqualifying.