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augie77

Yes, Augustana is still 3-0, but Illinois counts it as win, moving to 5-0.  The loss of Forward Pierson Wofford to a torn ACL is very real, however.  He was leading the Vikings in both scoring and rebounding.

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Quote from: augie77 on November 23, 2017, 09:53:43 AM
Yes, Augustana is still 3-0, but Illinois counts it as win, moving to 5-0.  The loss of Forward Pierson Wofford to a torn ACL is very real, however.  He was leading the Vikings in both scoring and rebounding.

Wait, so if the game didn't count for Augi, why does the ACL tear count?

In all seriousness, that's too bad, for any player and team.
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How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1621Whitman3-0def. Waynesburg, 113-74; def. Gallaudet, 122-58; won at Walla Walla, 116-78
#2596Augustana4-0def. (n) Heidelberg, 73-64; def. Calvin, 80-69; def. Alma, 65-53; def. MacMurray, 89-57
#3561Williams4-0def. Salem State, 80-68; def. Stevens, 73-55; won at Massachusetts College, 97-72; def. Yeshiva, 78-65
#4496Hanover3-1def. (n) Kent State Tuscarawas, 103-49; def. (n) Otterbein, 71-68; won at Spalding, 83-47;
LOST at #30 Wooster, 79-87
#5457Ramapo2-1LOST to (n) Randolph-Macon, 61-79; won at Marymount, 80-67; def. William Paterson, 87-65
#6441Tufts1-2def. (n) Webster, 83-68; LOST at #9 Washington U., 94-98; LOST to #36 MIT, 83-93
#7436Babson3-2def. Lasell, 95-64; def. Worcester State, 101-52; LOST to Endicott, 80-90; won at Becker, 83-66;
LOST at Bowdoin, 71-80
#8433Middlebury4-0def. Fitchburg State, 111-72; def. Wentworth, 74-58; won at Johnson State, 84-77; won at Endicott, 78-67
#9403Washington U.4-1def. Wabash, 82-70; def. #6 Tufts, 98-94; won at Principia, 71-57; def. (n) Ohio Northern, 77-73;
LOST at T#45 Mount St. Joseph, 74-96
#10402UW-River Falls4-1def. Central, 85-73; LOST to (n) Baldwin Wallace, 65-68; def. (n) DePauw, 72-69 OT; def. UW-Superior, 98-68;
def. Hamline, 68-60
#11327UW-Whitewater4-0def. #15 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 82-66; def. Waldorf, 75-57; def. Monmouth, 66-50; def. Anderson, 79-70
#12319North Central (Ill.)2-2LOST at Heidelberg, 93-98 2OT; def. T#42 Benedictine, 82-79; LOST to (n) T#32 Whitworth, 72-75;
def. (n) Lewis and Clark, 83-53
#13300Marietta4-0def. #29 Hope, 102-71; def. T#37 St. Thomas, 85-83 OT; won at Frostburg State, 91-77; won at Bethany, 83-70
#14262Christopher Newport3-1won at Randolph-Macon, 69-64; def. (n) Catholic, 80-78; def. (n) Wilmington, 82-64; LOST to Dickinson, 54-64
#15217Claremont-Mudd-Scripps0-4LOST at #11 UW-Whitewater, 66-82; LOST at UW-Platteville, 57-74; LOST to George Fox, 73-91;
LOST to Puget Sound, 74-87
#16198Rochester4-1def. Bard, 73-54; def. Utica, 72-67; LOST at Hobart, 61-72; def. SUNY-Canton, 84-51; def. Stockton, 64-56
#17177Emory3-1def. Piedmont, 83-64; won at Berry, 109-103; LOST at LaGrange, 78-84; def. (n) Maryville (Tenn.), 102-92
#18158Guilford2-2won at Greensboro, 98-88; LOST to Concordia (Texas), 67-68; def. Huntingdon, 90-63; LOST to Averett, 69-82
#19152St. John Fisher2-2LOST at Hobart, 75-87; def. (n) Birmingham-Southern, 94-75; LOST to (n) #29 Hope, 86-97;
def. #30 Wooster, 90-57
#20141St. John's2-1def. (n) St. Scholastica, 94-71; won at St. Cloud St., 73-67; LOST at UW-La Crosse, 63-65
#21104Wartburg4-1LOST at Northern Iowa, 43-72; def. Crown, 91-88; def. Aurora, 80-66; def. (n) Graceland (Iowa), 78-71;
won at Waldorf, 78-67
#2298Lycoming5-0won at Medgar Evers, 101-81; def. Penn St.-Wilkes Barre, 94-84; def. SUNY Oneonta, 108-86;
def. #26 Susquehanna, 89-70; def. Penn College, 92-70
#2395Cabrini2-1won at Eastern, 82-68; LOST to (n) Denison, 70-90; def. (n) Randolph, 88-72
#2494Scranton2-3def. Penn State-Berks, 78-63; LOST to York (Pa.), 70-84; LOST at Widener, 75-82; def. King's, 85-79;
LOST to Wilkes, 45-52
#2573Swarthmore4-0def. Hood, 111-89; def. Albertus Magnus, 95-85; won at Washington College, 79-70; def. Misericordia, 93-75


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2671Susquehanna1-3def. Bethany, 75-73; LOST to King's, 89-93; LOST to Rowan, 72-88; LOST at #22 Lycoming, 70-89
#2768Nichols3-1def. Newbury, 117-72; won at Lasell, 91-80; LOST at Wesleyan, 61-80; won at Trinity (Conn.), 89-75
#2854Skidmore3-0won at Castleton, 89-79; won at Hartwick, 96-85; def. T#40 Plattsburgh State, 88-62
#2951Hope2-2LOST at #13 Marietta, 71-102; def. (n) #19 St. John Fisher, 97-86; LOST to (n) Cornerstone, 61-88;
won at Aquinas, 89-83
#3047Wooster3-1def. Oberlin, 70-64; def. Medaille, 86-76; LOST at #19 St. John Fisher, 57-90; def. #4 Hanover, 87-79
#3144Keene State2-2LOST at Southern Vermont, 67-73; won at T#40 Plattsburgh State, 73-66; LOST at Springfield, 67-73;
won at #36 MIT, 67-63
T#3242Ohio Wesleyan4-0def. (n) Trine, 99-96; def. (n) Albion, 98-60; def. (n) Otterbein, 81-59; won at Capital, 87-70
T#3242Whitworth5-0def. La Verne, 95-73; def. Gallaudet, 92-56; def. Waynesburg, 83-58; def. (n) #12 North Central (Ill.), 75-72;
def. (n) Arcadia, 75-66
#3437UW-Oskhosh3-0def. T#42 Benedictine, 74-68; won at T#37 St. Norbert, 60-57; def. Edgewood, 78-66
#3522Amherst3-0def. Sarah Lawrence, 83-51; def. Western New England, 73-61; won at Westfield State, 84-48
#3617MIT3-1def. Bridgewater State, 91-52; def. Eastern Nazarene, 80-50; won at #6 Tufts, 93-83;
LOST to #31 Keene State, 63-67
T#3713St. Norbert3-1def. UW-Eau Claire, 77-69; def. T#42 Benedictine, 70-53; LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 57-60;
def. UW-Stevens Point, 58-54
T#3713St. Thomas2-1def. (n) Dickinson, 73-68; LOST at #13 Marietta, 83-85 OT; won at St. Scholastica, 80-56
#398St Lawrence1-2LOST to (n) Bowdoin, 74-80; LOST to (n) Lehman, 86-90; won at SUNY-Canton, 89-78
T#407Carthage3-1def. Rockford, 86-66; LOST to Lake Forest, 65-71; def. (n) Centre, 61-41; def. (n) Coe, 83-72
T#407Plattsburgh State0-2LOST to #31 Keene State, 66-73; LOST at #28 Skidmore, 62-88
T#425Benedictine1-3LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 68-74; LOST at T#37 St. Norbert, 53-70; LOST at #12 North Central (Ill.), 79-82;
def. Marian, 82-77
T#425Eastern Connecticut5-0def. (n) Dean, 87-64; won at WPI, 78-68; won at Connecticut College, 89-77; def. (n) Montclair State, 72-55;
won at Colby, 83-77
T#425Hardin-Simmons0-3LOST at Southwestern, 77-83; LOST at Texas Lutheran, 74-82; LOST at Schreiner, 84-93
T#451Hamilton3-0def. (n) T#45 Oswego State, 75-69; def. (n) Keystone, 97-60; won at Western Connecticut, 97-88
T#451Loras3-1won at Lake Forest, 84-81; won at Concordia-Chicago, 104-87; LOST at Concordia (Wis.), 86-101;
def. Ripon, 90-88
T#451Mount St. Joseph2-3LOST to (n) Wittenberg, 74-78; LOST to (n) Dickinson, 64-80; def. Wilmington, 75-72;
LOST to Case Western Reserve, 69-74; def. #9 Washington U., 96-74
T#451Nebraska Wesleyan4-0won at North Central (Minn.), 122-84; won at Northwestern (Minn.), 78-67; def. Iowa Wesleyan, 117-54;
def. Bethany Lutheran, 95-78
T#451New Jersey City5-0def. Stevens, 77-73; def. (n) Gwynedd Mercy, 82-76; won at Drew, 76-72; won at Rutgers-Newark, 68-54;
won at Farmingdale State, 77-71
T#451Oswego State1-2LOST to (n) T#45 Hamilton, 69-75; LOST at Elmira, 90-103; won at Clarkson, 82-66

sac

Yow, has a pre-season Top25 ever gone 0-4 like Claremont MS before the next poll.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: sac on November 26, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Yow, has a pre-season Top25 ever gone 0-4 like Claremont MS before the next poll.

If we'd known Scarlett was out, the chances of them being Top 25 probably would've been slim.
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Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: sac on November 26, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Yow, has a pre-season Top25 ever gone 0-4 like Claremont MS before the next poll.

If we'd known Scarlett was out, the chances of them being Top 25 probably would've been slim.

Absolutely agree!
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Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2017, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: sac on November 26, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Yow, has a pre-season Top25 ever gone 0-4 like Claremont MS before the next poll.

If we'd known Scarlett was out, the chances of them being Top 25 probably would've been slim.

Absolutely agree!

Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn...  :) :D
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nescac1

Maybe this is typical with early-season uncertainly, but it seems like a lot of highly regarded teams, both inside and just outside the top 25, suffered a lot of unexpected losses in the first few weeks. 

Tufts, Babson, North Central, Claremont, Guilford, St. John Fisher and Scranton all with multiple losses are likely not going to be ranked next week, same deal with Cabrini after getting blown out by Denison.  That would open up eight spots, and I would guess that the six undefeated teams who received more than 1 vote in the preseason will likely sneak in: Skidmore, Ohio Wesleyan, Whitworth, UW-Oshkosh, Amherst, and Eastern Conn.  All six of those are strong programs with at least one (if not more) prominent individual players, and seem deserving.  Wooster I think makes it in thanks to a win over Hanover and a strong pedigree as well.  The last spot seems like anyone's guess ... Wesleyan, St. Thomas, Hamilton and St. Norbert all have pretty solid resumes though. 

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Quote from: nescac1 on November 27, 2017, 01:24:27 PM
Maybe this is typical with early-season uncertainly, but it seems like a lot of highly regarded teams, both inside and just outside the top 25, suffered a lot of unexpected losses in the first few weeks. 

Tufts, Babson, North Central, Claremont, Guilford, St. John Fisher and Scranton all with multiple losses are likely not going to be ranked next week, same deal with Cabrini after getting blown out by Denison.  That would open up eight spots, and I would guess that the six undefeated teams who received more than 1 vote in the preseason will likely sneak in: Skidmore, Ohio Wesleyan, Whitworth, UW-Oshkosh, Amherst, and Eastern Conn.  All six of those are strong programs with at least one (if not more) prominent individual players, and seem deserving.  Wooster I think makes it in thanks to a win over Hanover and a strong pedigree as well.  The last spot seems like anyone's guess ... Wesleyan, St. Thomas, Hamilton and St. Norbert all have pretty solid resumes though.

You are assuming all eight of those fall out of the poll. I am not sure all of them fall out. You could make an argument for all of them, but with 25 voters and with those teams in different places on their ballots, not sure they all fall.

As for who takes their place... is it too early to throw darts this season?

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nescac1

I don't know (of course) that all eight fall out.  But I believe they should. None have beaten a single top 25 team. All have lost to at least one unranked team.  Babson and Tufts do have a long way to fall, but Babson has two losses to pretty good (but not great) teams and was already a big question mark given all the losses from last year's squad.  Tufts also lost a lot, is decimated by injuries (at least one long term), and has only one win on its resume. Also several New England teams with good talent and no losses (Amherst, Wesleyan, Bowdoin, Eastern Conn) plus one-loss MIT all deserve to leapfrog them.  They got the benefit of the doubt from last year, fairly, but both are playing with very different rosters. 

North Central to me has the best case for staying ranked. The other seven?  I just don't see it. 

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)


It's out.  http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2017-18/week-1

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Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2017, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: sac on November 26, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Yow, has a pre-season Top25 ever gone 0-4 like Claremont MS before the next poll.

If we'd known Scarlett was out, the chances of them being Top 25 probably would've been slim.

Absolutely agree!

Do we have a time table for Scarlett's return?
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Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2017, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2017, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 26, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: sac on November 26, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Yow, has a pre-season Top25 ever gone 0-4 like Claremont MS before the next poll.

If we'd known Scarlett was out, the chances of them being Top 25 probably would've been slim.

Absolutely agree!

Do we have a time table for Scarlett's return?

I haven't been able to get any information as of yet.. and not sure what information I get that I will be able to share. Will update if I can.
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