Top 25 talk

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

After last week's report, I had to refill the red ink cartridge on my browser. Less carnage so far this week.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Whitman	3-0	12/01 at Pacific Lutheran; 12/02 at T#50 Puget Sound
#2	597	Augustana	4-0	12/02 at #18 UW-Oshkosh
#3	575	Williams	5-0	won at Vassar, 90-57; 12/02 vs. #36 Wesleyan
#4	540	Middlebury	4-0	IDLE
#5	514	UW-Whitewater	4-0	12/01 vs. Caltech; 12/02 at Redlands
#6	494	Marietta	5-0	won at Otterbein, 86-60; 12/02 vs. Baldwin Wallace
#7	418	Hanover	4-1	def. #16 Ohio Wesleyan, 84-83; 12/02 at Franklin
#8	369	Ramapo	4-1	won at Medgar Evers, 82-58; def. Montclair State, 70-56; 12/02 at Stockton
#9	343	Washington U.	4-1	12/03 at Alma
#10	322	UW-River Falls	5-1	def. Carthage, 77-71; 12/02 vs. Carleton
#11	295	Lycoming	6-0	def. Messiah, 55-36; 12/02 at Hood
#12	286	Swarthmore	4-0	11/30 vs. Muhlenberg; 12/02 at #35 Dickinson
#13	244	Whitworth	5-0	12/01 at T#50 Puget Sound; 12/02 at Pacific Lutheran
#14	226	Wartburg	5-1	won at Dubuque, 77-51; 12/02 vs. UW-Eau Claire
#15	181	Rochester	5-1	won at Union, 77-66
#16	179	Ohio Wesleyan	4-1	LOST at #7 Hanover, 83-84; 12/02 vs. DePauw
#17	176	Christopher Newport	4-1	def. Salisbury, 71-66; 12/02 vs. Frostburg State
#18	166	UW-Oshkosh	4-0	won at North Park, 71-58; 12/02 vs. #2 Augustana
#19	158	Hobart	2-1	LOST at Brockport, 83-89; 12/01 at Union; 12/02 at Vassar
#20	154	Skidmore	4-0	won at Worcester State, 83-67; 12/01 vs. St. Lawrence; 12/02 vs. Clarkson
#21	146	Amherst	3-0	12/02 at Emerson
#22	111	Bowdoin	5-0	won at Southern Maine, 84-72; 11/30 at Anna Maria; 12/02 at Colby
#23	102	Emory	4-1	def. Birmingham-Southern, 91-86; 12/02 at Hampden-Sydney
#24	100	Eastern Connecticut	5-0	12/02 at Rhode Island College
#25	99	Wooster	3-2	LOST at Denison, 61-75; 12/02 vs. Wabash

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	94	Babson	3-3	LOST at Albertus Magnus, 81-85; 12/02 vs. Brandeis; 12/03 vs. TBA
#27	91	Tufts	2-2	won at WPI, 88-67; 11/30 at Newbury; 12/02 vs. Salem State; 12/03 vs. New England Big 4 Challenge
#28	68	St. Thomas	3-1	def. Concordia-Moorhead, 80-71; 12/02 at Hamline
#29	63	New Jersey City	6-0	def. William Paterson, 87-83 OT; 12/02 at Rutgers-Camden
#30	59	St. John's	3-1	won at Minnesota-Morris, 110-79; 12/02 vs. T#40 Bethel
#31	47	North Central (Ill.)	2-2	12/02 at North Park
#32	37	MIT	4-1	won at Mass-Boston, 88-60; 11/30 vs. Salem State; 12/02 at Lasell
T#33	31	Illinois Wesleyan	5-0	12/02 vs. Carthage
T#33	31	Randolph-Macon	4-1	won at Roanoke, 71-60; 12/02 vs. Lynchburg
#35	26	Dickinson	3-1	11/30 vs. McDaniel; 12/02 vs. #12 Swarthmore
#36	22	Wesleyan	5-0	won at Emmanuel, 88-68; 12/02 at #3 Williams
#37	20	St. Norbert	3-1	12/01 vs. Knox; 12/02 vs. Illinois College
#38	19	Hamilton	4-0	def. SUNY New Paltz, 104-66; 12/01 vs. Utica; 12/02 vs. Eastern
#39	18	Endicott	2-2	LOST at T#40 Nichols, 82-105; 12/02 vs. Curry
T#40	13	Bethel	4-1	LOST to Augsburg, 74-87; 12/02 at #30 St. John's
T#40	13	John Carroll	4-0	12/02 vs. Muskingum
T#40	13	Nichols	4-1	def. #39 Endicott, 105-82; 12/02 vs. Gordon
T#43	7	Cabrini	3-1	def. Scranton, 71-67; 12/02 vs. Immaculata
T#43	7	Guilford	2-3	LOST to Washington and Lee, 90-94; 12/02 at Bridgewater (Va.)
T#43	7	Mount St. Joseph	2-3	12/02 vs. Manchester
#46	6	St. John Fisher	2-2	11/30 at Cortland
#47	5	Keene State	3-2	def. Lasell, 73-62; 11/30 at Colby-Sawyer; 12/02 vs. Mass-Boston
#48	3	Franklin and Marshall	5-0	11/30 at Ursinus; 12/02 vs. Haverford
#49	2	Nebraska Wesleyan	4-0	12/02 vs. Simpson
T#50	1	Lake Forest	4-1	12/01 vs. Cornell; 12/02 vs. Grinnell
T#50	1	Loras	4-1	won at Coe, 81-76; 12/02 vs. Luther
T#50	1	Puget Sound	6-0	12/01 vs. #13 Whitworth; 12/02 vs. #1 Whitman

[Smitty Oom]

The parity is real... Pool C talk will be so fun in Feb! Fun start to the season so far.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

C'mon Darryl, with only one ranked team playing today, can we get the update early?  I think I'll need extra time to work on my ballot.  This weekly post is always helpful to see everything in one place.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

C'mon Darryl, with only one ranked team playing today, can we get the update early?  I think I'll need extra time to work on my ballot.  This weekly post is always helpful to see everything in one place.

Sorry, Ryan, I did not see this note until just now. Still early, just not extraordinarily so.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Whitman	5-0	won at Pacific Lutheran, 107-50; won at T#50 Puget Sound, 111-108
#2	597	Augustana	4-1	LOST at #18 UW-Oshkosh, 89-95 2OT
#3	575	Williams	5-1	won at Vassar, 90-57; LOST to #36 Wesleyan, 67-72 OT
#4	540	Middlebury	4-0	IDLE
#5	514	UW-Whitewater	6-0	def. (n) Caltech, 78-61; won at Redlands, 69-60
#6	494	Marietta	5-1	won at Otterbein, 86-60; LOST to Baldwin Wallace, 72-73
#7	418	Hanover	5-1	def. #16 Ohio Wesleyan, 84-83; won at Franklin, 75-68
#8	369	Ramapo	5-1	won at Medgar Evers, 82-58; def. Montclair State, 70-56; won at Stockton, 81-67
#9	343	Washington U.	5-1	won at Alma, 96-86
#10	322	UW-River Falls	6-1	def. Carthage, 77-71; def. Carleton, 72-69
#11	295	Lycoming	7-0	def. Messiah, 55-36; won at Hood, 83-77
#12	286	Swarthmore	6-0	def. Muhlenberg, 81-69; won at #35 Dickinson, 78-66
#13	244	Whitworth	7-0	won at T#50 Puget Sound, 95-84; won at Pacific Lutheran, 88-70
#14	226	Wartburg	6-1	won at Dubuque, 77-51; def. UW-Eau Claire, 66-55
#15	181	Rochester	5-1	won at Union, 77-66
#16	179	Ohio Wesleyan	5-1	LOST at #7 Hanover, 83-84; def. DePauw, 105-71
#17	176	Christopher Newport	4-2	def. Salisbury, 71-66; LOST to Frostburg State, 81-83 OT
#18	166	UW-Oshkosh	5-0	won at North Park, 71-58; def. #2 Augustana, 95-89 2OT
#19	158	Hobart	3-2	LOST at Brockport, 83-89; LOST at Union, 62-67; won at Vassar, 85-73
#20	154	Skidmore	6-0	won at Worcester State, 83-67; def. St. Lawrence, 81-56; def. Clarkson, 77-60
#21	146	Amherst	4-0	won at Emerson, 78-65
#22	111	Bowdoin	6-1	won at Southern Maine, 84-72; won at Anna Maria, 101-69; LOST at Colby, 84-89
#23	102	Emory	4-2	def. Birmingham-Southern, 91-86; LOST at Hampden-Sydney, 85-90
#24	100	Eastern Connecticut	6-0	won at Rhode Island College, 86-61
#25	99	Wooster	3-3	LOST at Denison, 61-75; LOST to Wabash, 72-85

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	94	Babson	4-4	LOST at Albertus Magnus, 81-85; won at Brandeis, 89-81; LOST at Salem State, 70-75
#27	91	Tufts	4-3	won at WPI, 88-67; won at Newbury, 84-71; LOST to Salem State, 67-77; def. Brandeis, 76-74
#28	68	St. Thomas	3-2	def. Concordia-Moorhead, 80-71; LOST at Hamline, 61-69
#29	63	New Jersey City	7-0	def. William Paterson, 87-83 OT; won at Rutgers-Camden, 86-83
#30	59	St. John's	4-1	won at Minnesota-Morris, 110-79; def. T#40 Bethel, 79-63
#31	47	North Central (Ill.)	3-2	won at North Park, 88-71
#32	37	MIT	6-1	won at Mass-Boston, 88-60; def. Salem State, 93-45; won at Lasell, 64-49
T#33	31	Illinois Wesleyan	5-1	LOST to Carthage, 72-74
T#33	31	Randolph-Macon	5-1	won at Roanoke, 71-60; def. Lynchburg, 88-72
#35	26	Dickinson	4-2	def. McDaniel, 74-56; LOST to #12 Swarthmore, 66-78
#36	22	Wesleyan	6-0	won at Emmanuel, 88-68; won at #3 Williams, 72-67 OT
#37	20	St. Norbert	5-1	def. Knox, 81-69; def. Illinois College, 75-56
#38	19	Hamilton	6-0	def. SUNY New Paltz, 104-66; def. Utica, 90-85; def. Eastern, 99-87
#39	18	Endicott	3-2	LOST at T#40 Nichols, 82-105; def. Curry, 88-48
T#40	13	Bethel	4-2	LOST to Augsburg, 74-87; LOST at #30 St. John's, 63-79
T#40	13	John Carroll	5-0	def. Muskingum, 115-74
T#40	13	Nichols	5-1	def. #39 Endicott, 105-82; def. Gordon, 100-86
T#43	7	Cabrini	4-1	def. Scranton, 71-67; def. Immaculata, 107-97
T#43	7	Guilford	3-3	LOST to Washington and Lee, 90-94; won at Bridgewater (Va.), 92-86
T#43	7	Mount St. Joseph	3-3	def. Manchester, 75-60
#46	6	St. John Fisher	2-3	LOST at Cortland, 69-70
#47	5	Keene State	5-2	def. Lasell, 73-62; won at Colby-Sawyer, 100-88; def. Mass-Boston, 85-45
#48	3	Franklin and Marshall	7-0	won at Ursinus, 77-69; def. Haverford, 83-56
#49	2	Nebraska Wesleyan	5-0	def. Simpson, 94-85
T#50	1	Lake Forest	6-1	def. Cornell, 80-55; def. Grinnell, 104-91
T#50	1	Loras	5-1	won at Coe, 81-76; def. Luther, 71-51
T#50	1	Puget Sound	6-2	LOST to #13 Whitworth, 84-95; LOST to #1 Whitman, 108-111

[gordonmann]

Latest poll released late:

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2017-18/week2

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

For those curious, here is my Top 25 ballot: http://bit.ly/2A5qrPB

[WUPHF]

For those curious, here is my Top 25 ballot: http://bit.ly/2A5qrPB

Lake Forest...hmmm...

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

For those curious, here is my Top 25 ballot: http://bit.ly/2A5qrPB

Lake Forest...hmmm...

Clearly, I am not the only one, either. I only account for four of their seven points.

Interestingly, only three teams in the ORV category are on my ballot. Not sure I have been that consistent with the Top 25 this early in the season in a long time. I certainly didn't expect it this early in this season.

[WUPHF]

Clearly, I am not the only one, either. I only account for four of their seven points.

I think it is great and it is proof that the you do take the time to look beyond the big names.

[Greek Tragedy]

For those curious, here is my Top 25 ballot: http://bit.ly/2A5qrPB

BW beat River Falls, not Eau Claire, which is fine because beating River Falls is a bigger deal than topping Eau Claire. Josh Weix, the leading scorer last year, did not return this season and the Blugolds also lost 2 other starters for a team that didn't make the NCAAs last year. I'm not sure how big of a deal it will be to beat Eau Claire this year (you mentioned them with your Wartburg vote as well, I believe).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

For those curious, here is my Top 25 ballot: http://bit.ly/2A5qrPB

BW beat River Falls, not Eau Claire, which is fine because beating River Falls is a bigger deal than topping Eau Claire. Josh Weix, the leading scorer last year, did not return this season and the Blugolds also lost 2 other starters for a team that didn't make the NCAAs last year. I'm not sure how big of a deal it will be to beat Eau Claire this year (you mentioned them with your Wartburg vote as well, I believe).

Sorry... I'll fix that. Brain has been toast for a few days and I just didn't check that one.

I do realize how much Eau Claire lost, but I also know they are well coached and a solid program all the same. There aren't many "easy" programs to beat in the WIAC in general.

[Darryl Nester]

 How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Whitman	5-0	12/08 vs. Colorado College
#2	580	Middlebury	5-0	def. Plattsburgh State, 92-68; 12/08 at #16 Skidmore
#3	560	UW-Whitewater	6-0	12/08 vs. Adrian; 12/09 at Trine
#4	514	Augustana	5-1	def. #28 North Central (Ill.), 79-72; 12/09 at Carthage
#5	440	Hanover	5-2	LOST at Transylvania, 81-95; 12/09 vs. Bluffton
#6	436	Williams	6-1	won at Westfield State, 70-63; 12/07 vs. Fitchburg State; 12/09 vs. T#47 Springfield
#7	419	Ramapo	6-1	def. Rutgers-Newark, 60-47; 12/09 at Kean
#8	407	UW-Oshkosh	6-0	def. Finlandia, 104-60; 12/09 at Calvin
#9	391	Whitworth	7-0	12/10 vs. Colorado College
#10	371	UW-River Falls	6-1	12/09 vs. St. Thomas
#11	369	Washington U.	5-1	12/09 vs. Central
#12	364	Lycoming	8-0	won at Alvernia, 73-62; 12/09 vs. Widener
#13	354	Marietta	6-1	won at La Roche, 81-75; 12/09 vs. T#29 John Carroll
#14	343	Swarthmore	7-0	def. Ursinus, 67-60; 12/09 at Delaware Valley
#15	270	Wartburg	7-1	def. #39 Loras, 98-87; 12/10 vs. UW-La Crosse
#16	222	Skidmore	6-0	12/08 vs. #2 Middlebury
#17	219	Rochester	6-1	won at SUNY Geneseo, 82-60; 12/07 vs. St. John Fisher; 12/09 vs. Nazareth
#18	193	Wesleyan	7-0	won at Vassar, 83-68; 12/09 vs. Brandeis
#19	175	Ohio Wesleyan	6-1	won at Wabash, 81-74; 12/09 at Oberlin
#20	148	Eastern Connecticut	7-0	def. Manhattanville, 78-59; 12/07 vs. WPI; 12/09 vs. Plymouth State
#21	142	Amherst	5-0	def. Anna Maria, 78-41; 12/07 at Babson; 12/09 at Lasell
#22	81	Baldwin Wallace	4-1	12/09 at Muskingum
#23	79	New Jersey City	8-0	def. Kean, 87-76; 12/09 at TCNJ
#24	73	St. John's	5-1	won at Macalester, 114-96; 12/09 vs. St. Olaf
#25	39	Franklin and Marshall	8-0	def. Johns Hopkins, 65-59; 12/08 at Albright

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	38	MIT	7-1	won at Emmanuel, 80-56; 12/07 vs. Rhode Island College; 12/09 at Fitchburg State
#27	36	Christopher Newport	5-2	won at St. Mary's (Md.), 76-52; 12/10 vs. Wesley
#28	34	North Central (Ill.)	3-3	LOST at #4 Augustana, 72-79; 12/09 vs. T#37 Illinois Wesleyan
T#29	27	Bowdoin	6-2	LOST to St. Joseph's (Maine), 58-77; 12/07 vs. Bates; 12/10 vs. Maine-Farmington
T#29	27	John Carroll	5-1	LOST at Mount Union, 83-87; 12/09 at #13 Marietta
#31	22	Nichols	6-1	won at Roger Williams, 91-79; 12/07 at Becker; 12/09 at Anna Maria
#32	21	St. Norbert	6-1	won at Lawrence, 73-59; 12/09 vs. Cornell
#33	18	Hamilton	7-0	won at SUNYIT, 112-96; 12/09 vs. Bard
#34	15	Randolph-Macon	5-1	12/09 vs. TBA
#35	9	Cabrini	5-1	won at Cairn, 80-70; 12/09 at Gwynedd Mercy
#36	8	Dickinson	5-2	won at Gettysburg, 73-68
T#37	7	Illinois Wesleyan	6-1	won at #46 Wheaton (Ill.), 82-79; 12/09 at #28 North Central (Ill.)
T#37	7	Lake Forest	7-1	def. Illinois College, 79-62
#39	6	Loras	5-2	LOST at #15 Wartburg, 87-98; 12/09 at Augsburg
T#40	5	Colby	6-1	12/09 vs. Bates
T#40	5	Keene State	6-2	def. Albertus Magnus, 78-67; 12/09 vs. Southern Maine
T#40	5	York (Pa.)	6-0	def. Frostburg State, 92-75; 12/09 at Marymount
T#43	4	Emory	5-2	def. Covenant, 80-73
T#43	4	Virginia Wesleyan	7-1	LOST to Averett, 59-63; 12/09 vs. Roanoke
T#43	4	Wooster	4-3	def. Hiram, 91-70; 12/09 at DePauw
#46	3	Wheaton (Ill.)	5-2	LOST to T#37 Illinois Wesleyan, 79-82; 12/09 at Elmhurst
T#47	2	Hobart	3-2	12/09 at Carnegie Mellon
T#47	2	Springfield	4-0	12/07 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 12/09 at #6 Williams
T#49	1	Puget Sound	6-2	IDLE
T#49	1	Salem State	6-2	12/09 at WPI

[y_jack_lok]

^^^ Not that anyone else cares, but in the interest of accuracy, Randolph-Macon's next game is 12/8 vs Misericordia at the Juniata tournament then 12/9 vs either Juniata or St. Joseph (VT). And speaking of Juniata, maybe they are flyiing under the radar at 6-0 and no votes??? I know nothing about their opposition to date but they have won all games but one by 20+ points and the other by 11.

[deiscanton]

^^^ Not that anyone else cares, but in the interest of accuracy, Randolph-Macon's next game is 12/8 vs Misericordia at the Juniata tournament then 12/9 vs either Juniata or St. Joseph (VT). And speaking of Juniata, maybe they are flyiing under the radar at 6-0 and no votes??? I lnow nothing about their opposition to date but they have won all games but one by 20+ points and the other by 11.

The men's strength of schedule, as of last season, does have a home/away multiplier.  I don't believe that men's basketball has scrapped it for this season.  However, not including a home/away multiplier, and excluding their results vs Juniata-- Juniata's opponents have a record of 11 wins and 22 losses.  Only LaGrange and Carnegie Mellon have a .500 record outside of the Juniata game-- the other opponents are under .500.  I would need a signature win in those 6 games to make a case for Juniata getting a top 25 vote at this point.

Of the 6 opponents Juniata faced, only Scranton was regionally ranked last season-- #2 in the Middle Atlantic.  Currently, Scranton has a 2-6 overall record this season.  The other 5 opponents were not regionally ranked in the NCAA's final rankings last season.

However, if Juniata goes through most of their conference undefeated, then a case can be made for top 25 votes.

[y_jack_lok]

^^^ Thanks for the insights. Even with a low opponents' winning percentage it's hard to ignore Juniata's margins of victory in their games.