Top 25 talk

[Greek Tragedy]

So IWU ahead of Augustana now right?

Duh!

[mailsy]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Whitman	19-0	02/02 at Lewis and Clark; 02/03 at Pacific
#2	589	Washington U.	16-2	02/02 vs. T#42 Rochester; 02/04 vs. #15 Emory
#3	574	Wittenberg	20-0	def. Kenyon, 78-63; 02/03 at Oberlin
#4	524	St. John's	18-1	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 76-54; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 86-72; 02/03 at St. Olaf
#5	510	Whitworth	17-2	02/02 at Pacific; 02/03 at Lewis and Clark
#6	488	Middlebury	16-3	won at T#42 Keene State, 84-78; 02/02 vs. Bowdoin; 02/03 vs. Colby
#7	463	Swarthmore	17-3	LOST at Muhlenberg, 88-91 OT; 02/03 vs. McDaniel
#8	415	MIT	17-3	LOST to Babson, 71-84 OT; 02/03 vs. Wheaton (Mass.)
#9	368	Augustana	16-4	def. #14 Illinois Wesleyan, 88-79; 02/03 at Carroll
#10	351	York (Pa.)	18-2	def. Wesley, 76-64; 02/03 vs. Southern Virginia
#11	310	Lycoming	19-2	def. Alvernia, 79-66; 02/03 vs. Arcadia
#12	309	UW-Whitewater	15-5	LOST at #25 UW-Stevens Point, 60-74; 02/03 at UW-Stout
#13	299	Williams	16-4	won at SUNY Oneonta, 75-56; 02/02 vs. Colby; 02/03 vs. Bowdoin
#14	279	Illinois Wesleyan	16-4	LOST at #9 Augustana, 79-88
#15	277	Emory	15-3	02/02 at Chicago; 02/04 at #2 Washington U.
#16	269	Eastern Connecticut	18-2	def. Trinity (Conn.), 72-56; 02/03 vs. Mass-Boston
#17	261	Wesleyan	16-4	02/02 at Trinity (Conn.)
#18	222	UW-Oshkosh	15-5	LOST to #20 UW-Platteville, 62-68; 02/03 vs. UW-Eau Claire
#19	210	Emory and Henry	18-2	LOST at Roanoke, 68-76; 02/03 at Lynchburg
#20	198	UW-Platteville	17-3	won at #18 UW-Oshkosh, 68-62; 02/03 at UW-La Crosse
#21	148	Hamilton	17-2	02/02 at Bates; 02/03 at Tufts
#22	106	Marietta	16-4	def. Mount Union, 80-71; 02/03 vs. Heidelberg
#23	50	Franklin and Marshall	17-3	def. Ursinus, 80-74; 02/03 vs. Muhlenberg
#24	40	UW-River Falls	14-5	def. UW-La Crosse, 77-74 OT; 02/03 at #25 UW-Stevens Point
#25	29	UW-Stevens Point	14-6	def. #12 UW-Whitewater, 74-60; 02/03 vs. #24 UW-River Falls

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	25	Salem State	18-3	won at Fitchburg State, 93-85; 02/03 vs. Framingham State
T#27	23	Gwynedd Mercy	16-3	LOST at T#40 Cabrini, 88-92; 02/03 at Lehman
T#27	23	New Jersey City	17-4	won at Kean, 75-63; 02/03 vs. Rowan
#29	22	John Carroll	16-4	won at Otterbein, 97-71; 02/03 vs. Wilmington
#30	21	Wooster	16-4	won at Oberlin, 89-59; 02/03 vs. Denison
#31	16	Nichols	17-3	def. Curry, 94-69; 02/03 vs. University of New England
#32	15	Ohio Wesleyan	14-6	LOST at Denison, 62-83; 02/03 vs. Kenyon
#33	14	Hanover	15-5	LOST at Rose-Hulman, 66-68 OT; 02/03 vs. Anderson
#34	10	Hobart	16-3	def. RPI, 77-69; 02/02 vs. St. Lawrence; 02/03 vs. Clarkson
T#35	9	Juniata	17-3	def. Susquehanna, 75-66; 02/03 at Scranton
T#35	9	Maryville (Tenn.)	14-5	LOST at Covenant, 73-80; 02/02 at William Peace
#37	8	Plattsburgh State	15-4	def. SUNY-Canton, 88-58; 02/02 vs. Oswego State; 02/03 vs. Cortland
T#38	4	Baldwin Wallace	14-6	LOST at Ohio Northern, 74-85 OT; 02/03 vs. Otterbein
T#38	4	Occidental	16-2	02/03 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
T#40	3	Cabrini	17-3	def. T#27 Gwynedd Mercy, 92-88; 02/03 vs. Staten Island
T#40	3	TCNJ	16-5	LOST to Rowan, 84-93; 02/03 at Ramapo
T#42	1	Keene State	14-6	LOST to #6 Middlebury, 78-84; 02/03 vs. Rhode Island College
T#42	1	Rochester	13-5	02/02 at #2 Washington U.; 02/04 at Chicago

[Mr. Ypsi]

So IWU ahead of Augustana now right?

Duh!

Actually, that could still be quite reasonably argued.

As Titan Q noted, the argument was always MORE about the unjustifiably huge gap in poll points by Augie over IWU, than about which should be ahead.  But as far as the h-to-h's, IWU demolished Augie in B'town (ahead by double-digits for the vast majority of the game, and won by 19), while Augie led by ONE point with 70 seconds left in the game, before winning by 9 by making FTs.  Other results are obviously a mixed bag, since they have identical records against mostly the same opponents, with IWU still up in the conference standings.

Personally my Posters' Poll ballot will still have IWU ahead, though (if Augie wins on Saturday, while IWU is idle) probably only by a single slot.

[Yogao]

So IWU ahead of Augustana now right?

Duh!

Actually, that could still be quite reasonably argued.

As Titan Q noted, the argument was always MORE about the unjustifiably huge gap in poll points by Augie over IWU, than about which should be ahead.  But as far as the h-to-h's, IWU demolished Augie in B'town (ahead by double-digits for the vast majority of the game, and won by 19), while Augie led by ONE point with 70 seconds left in the game, before winning by 9 by making FTs.  Other results are obviously a mixed bag, since they have identical records against mostly the same opponents, with IWU still up in the conference standings.

Personally my Posters' Poll ballot will still have IWU ahead, though (if Augie wins on Saturday, while IWU is idle) probably only by a single slot.

Augie was also up by 8 with 124 seconds to play prior to the 4 point play (4/5 free throws made) and then the 3point basket to cut it to 1 point.  Augie led by 6-8 points for most of the contest, and IWU didn't have a lead in the game. Granted they couldn't put IWU away like IWU did earlier in the year, when they destroyed Augie at the Shirk but they still won.  Did you forget about the common opponent in Wash U that Augie won by double digits on the road, while IWU had them at home and lost by double digits

[John Gleich]

Early upsets

St Olaf beats #4 St Johns 75-62
Arcadia beat #11 Lycoming 101-91
Lynchburg beat #19 Emory & Henry 81-79
Heidelberg beat #22 Marietta 71-65

[Gregory Sager]

... and Carroll beat #9 Augustana, 77-69.

[John Gleich]

Not an upset... But #25 UW Stevens Point completed the sweep against # 24 UW River Falls.

On Wednesday, first place back on the line in the WIAC as 9-1 #25 UWSP travels to 8-2 #20 Platteville.

Also third place: 6-4 #18 Oshkosh goes to #12 6-4 Whitewater

[deiscanton]

#2 Wash U 82, #15 Emory 69

Wash U takes a 2 game lead in the UAA with 5 left to play and has swept the head to head series with Emory.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Whitman	21-0	won at Lewis and Clark, 74-60; won at Pacific, 112-69
#2	589	Washington U.	18-2	def. T#42 Rochester, 77-63; def. #15 Emory, 82-69
#3	574	Wittenberg	21-0	def. Kenyon, 78-63; won at Oberlin, 77-56
#4	524	St. John's	18-2	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 76-54; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 86-72; LOST at St. Olaf, 62-75
#5	510	Whitworth	19-2	won at Pacific, 89-67; won at Lewis and Clark, 76-70
#6	488	Middlebury	18-3	won at T#42 Keene State, 84-78; def. Bowdoin, 72-70; def. Colby, 75-56
#7	463	Swarthmore	18-3	LOST at Muhlenberg, 88-91 OT; def. McDaniel, 60-54
#8	415	MIT	18-3	LOST to Babson, 71-84 OT; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 96-91 OT
#9	368	Augustana	16-5	def. #14 Illinois Wesleyan, 88-79; LOST at Carroll, 69-77
#10	351	York (Pa.)	19-2	def. Wesley, 76-64; def. Southern Virginia, 93-78
#11	310	Lycoming	19-3	def. Alvernia, 79-66; LOST to Arcadia, 91-101
#12	309	UW-Whitewater	16-5	LOST at #25 UW-Stevens Point, 60-74; won at UW-Stout, 74-55
#13	299	Williams	18-4	won at SUNY Oneonta, 75-56; def. Colby, 77-49; def. Bowdoin, 72-55
#14	279	Illinois Wesleyan	16-4	LOST at #9 Augustana, 79-88
#15	277	Emory	16-4	won at Chicago, 66-61; LOST at #2 Washington U., 69-82
#16	269	Eastern Connecticut	19-2	def. Trinity (Conn.), 72-56; def. Mass-Boston, 84-70
#17	261	Wesleyan	16-5	LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 60-73
#18	222	UW-Oshkosh	16-5	LOST to #20 UW-Platteville, 62-68; def. UW-Eau Claire, 77-72
#19	210	Emory and Henry	18-3	LOST at Roanoke, 68-76; LOST at Lynchburg, 79-81
#20	198	UW-Platteville	18-3	won at #18 UW-Oshkosh, 68-62; won at UW-La Crosse, 74-67
#21	148	Hamilton	19-2	won at Bates, 89-57; won at Tufts, 74-57
#22	106	Marietta	16-5	def. Mount Union, 80-71; LOST to Heidelberg, 65-71
#23	50	Frankin and Marshall	18-3	def. Ursinus, 80-77; def. Muhlenberg, 77-70
#24	40	UW-River Falls	14-6	def. UW-La Crosse, 77-74 OT; LOST at #25 UW-Stevens Point, 64-66
#25	29	UW-Stevens Point	15-6	def. #12 UW-Whitewater, 74-60; def. #24 UW-River Falls, 66-64

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	25	Salem State	19-3	won at Fitchburg State, 93-85; def. Framingham State, 93-67
T#27	23	Gwynedd Mercy	16-4	LOST at T#40 Cabrini, 88-92; LOST at Lehman, 68-85
T#27	23	New Jersey City	17-5	won at Kean, 75-63; LOST to Rowan, 66-67
#29	22	John Carroll	17-4	won at Otterbein, 97-71; def. Wilmington, 109-81
#30	21	Wooster	17-4	won at Oberlin, 89-59; def. Denison, 73-70
#31	16	Nichols	18-3	def. Curry, 94-69; def. University of New England, 116-85
#32	15	Ohio Wesleyan	15-6	LOST at Denison, 62-83; def. Kenyon, 108-82
#33	14	Hanover	16-5	LOST at Rose-Hulman, 66-68 OT; def. Anderson, 80-77
#34	10	Hobart	18-3	def. RPI, 77-69; def. St. Lawrence, 92-56; def. Clarkson, 67-48
T#35	9	Juniata	18-3	def. Susquehanna, 75-66; won at Scranton, 74-71
T#35	9	Maryville (Tenn.)	15-5	LOST at Covenant, 73-80; won at William Peace, 79-54
#37	8	Plattsburgh State	17-4	def. SUNY-Canton, 88-58; def. Oswego State, 74-60; def. Cortland, 90-67
T#38	4	Baldwin Wallace	15-6	LOST at Ohio Northern, 74-85 OT; def. Otterbein, 76-61
T#38	4	Occidental	16-3	LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 60-70
T#40	3	Cabrini	18-3	def. T#27 Gwynedd Mercy, 92-88; def. Staten Island, 76-74
T#40	3	TCNJ	16-6	LOST to Rowan, 84-93; LOST at Ramapo, 60-64
T#42	1	Keene State	15-6	LOST to #6 Middlebury, 78-84; def. Rhode Island College, 77-49
T#42	1	Rochester	13-7	LOST at #2 Washington U., 63-77; LOST at Chicago, 83-90

[Smitty Oom]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Whitman	21-0	won at Lewis and Clark, 74-60; won at Pacific, 112-69
#2	589	Washington U.	18-2	def. T#42 Rochester, 77-63; def. #15 Emory, 82-69
#3	574	Wittenberg	21-0	def. Kenyon, 78-63; won at Oberlin, 77-56
#4	524	St. John's	18-2	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 76-54; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 86-72; LOST at St. Olaf, 62-75
#5	510	Whitworth	19-2	won at Pacific, 89-67; won at Lewis and Clark, 76-70
#6	488	Middlebury	18-3	won at T#42 Keene State, 84-78; def. Bowdoin, 72-70; def. Colby, 75-56
#7	463	Swarthmore	18-3	LOST at Muhlenberg, 88-91 OT; def. McDaniel, 60-54
#8	415	MIT	18-3	LOST to Babson, 71-84 OT; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 96-91 OT
#9	368	Augustana	16-5	def. #14 Illinois Wesleyan, 88-79; LOST at Carroll, 69-77
#10	351	York (Pa.)	19-2	def. Wesley, 76-64; def. Southern Virginia, 93-78
#11	310	Lycoming	19-3	def. Alvernia, 79-66; LOST to Arcadia, 91-101
#12	309	UW-Whitewater	16-5	LOST at #25 UW-Stevens Point, 60-74; won at UW-Stout, 74-55
#13	299	Williams	18-4	won at SUNY Oneonta, 75-56; def. Colby, 77-49; def. Bowdoin, 72-55
#14	279	Illinois Wesleyan	16-4	LOST at #9 Augustana, 79-88
#15	277	Emory	16-4	won at Chicago, 66-61; LOST at #2 Washington U., 69-82
#16	269	Eastern Connecticut	19-2	def. Trinity (Conn.), 72-56; def. Mass-Boston, 84-70
#17	261	Wesleyan	16-5	LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 60-73
#18	222	UW-Oshkosh	16-5	LOST to #20 UW-Platteville, 62-68; def. UW-Eau Claire, 77-72
#19	210	Emory and Henry	18-3	LOST at Roanoke, 68-76; LOST at Lynchburg, 79-81
#20	198	UW-Platteville	18-3	won at #18 UW-Oshkosh, 68-62; won at UW-La Crosse, 74-67
#21	148	Hamilton	19-2	won at Bates, 89-57; won at Tufts, 74-57
#22	106	Marietta	16-5	def. Mount Union, 80-71; LOST to Heidelberg, 65-71
#23	50	Frankin and Marshall	18-3	def. Ursinus, 80-77; def. Muhlenberg, 77-70
#24	40	UW-River Falls	14-6	def. UW-La Crosse, 77-74 OT; LOST at #25 UW-Stevens Point, 64-66
#25	29	UW-Stevens Point	15-6	def. #12 UW-Whitewater, 74-60; def. #24 UW-River Falls, 66-64

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	25	Salem State	19-3	won at Fitchburg State, 93-85; def. Framingham State, 93-67
T#27	23	Gwynedd Mercy	16-4	LOST at T#40 Cabrini, 88-92; LOST at Lehman, 68-85
T#27	23	New Jersey City	17-5	won at Kean, 75-63; LOST to Rowan, 66-67
#29	22	John Carroll	17-4	won at Otterbein, 97-71; def. Wilmington, 109-81
#30	21	Wooster	17-4	won at Oberlin, 89-59; def. Denison, 73-70
#31	16	Nichols	18-3	def. Curry, 94-69; def. University of New England, 116-85
#32	15	Ohio Wesleyan	15-6	LOST at Denison, 62-83; def. Kenyon, 108-82
#33	14	Hanover	16-5	LOST at Rose-Hulman, 66-68 OT; def. Anderson, 80-77
#34	10	Hobart	18-3	def. RPI, 77-69; def. St. Lawrence, 92-56; def. Clarkson, 67-48
T#35	9	Juniata	18-3	def. Susquehanna, 75-66; won at Scranton, 74-71
T#35	9	Maryville (Tenn.)	15-5	LOST at Covenant, 73-80; won at William Peace, 79-54
#37	8	Plattsburgh State	17-4	def. SUNY-Canton, 88-58; def. Oswego State, 74-60; def. Cortland, 90-67
T#38	4	Baldwin Wallace	15-6	LOST at Ohio Northern, 74-85 OT; def. Otterbein, 76-61
T#38	4	Occidental	16-3	LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 60-70
T#40	3	Cabrini	18-3	def. T#27 Gwynedd Mercy, 92-88; def. Staten Island, 76-74
T#40	3	TCNJ	16-6	LOST to Rowan, 84-93; LOST at Ramapo, 60-64
T#42	1	Keene State	15-6	LOST to #6 Middlebury, 78-84; def. Rhode Island College, 77-49
T#42	1	Rochester	13-7	LOST at #2 Washington U., 63-77; LOST at Chicago, 83-90

A lot of red, will be interesting to see how things how things shake out in the poll tomorrow.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[gordonmann]

Latest Top 25 with a familiar face returning in the No. 24 spot.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2017-18/week10

[Rofrog]

Just a question to the voters in the top 25 men's polls.How is it that a team at 15- 6 is in the top 25?Please explain thank you .

[Pat Coleman]

Just a question to the voters in the top 25 men's polls.How is it that a team at 15- 6 is in the top 25?Please explain thank you .

The voters probably think going 9-1 so far in the WIAC is worthy of a ranking. Hard to argue with that.

It might be helpful to click on their name and see who they've played. It's a pretty good schedule overall.

[Greek Tragedy]

Just a question to the voters in the top 25 men's polls.How is it that a team at 15- 6 is in the top 25?Please explain thank you .

Since the turn of the year, they've played 5 of their 10 games vs ranked opponents and only lost one of those, on the road.