Top 25 talk

[Darryl Nester]

Additional info (that would not fit with the rest of the report because of the character limit on posts): Résumés for Wheaton, Endicott, Randolph-Macon, and Millikin (as suggested by Smitty Oom, y_jack_lok, and FCGrizzliesGrad), although Millikin looks a little less shiny after getting blasted by Aurora last night.

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Wheaton (Ill.)	4-0	def. Ripon, 74-67; def. Coe, 79-77; def. #2 UW-Oshkosh, 86-74; def. Calvin, 86-71; 11/24 vs. #32 LeTourneau
---	---	Endicott	4-0	def. Eastern Nazarene, 95-81; def. #5 MIT, 90-73; def. (n) Suffolk, 85-62; def. Babson, 97-88; 11/25 vs. #17 Middlebury
---	---	Randolph-Macon	5-0	def. Immaculata, 83-56; def. Hood, 91-61; def. (n) Albright, 82-69; def. Gettysburg, 88-67; def. Ferrum, 73-54; 11/24 vs. Oglethorpe; 11/25 vs. #18 Emory
---	---	Millikin	4-1	def. Dubuque, 76-71; def. Principia, 96-76; def. Coe, 85-71; def. Westminster (Mo.), 74-69; LOST to T#38 Aurora, 65-90; 11/25 vs. Simpson

[Titan Q]

Darryl, this is very helpful...thanks for doing it again this season.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I put the curse on Millikin last time. But another team with a couple good wins early is Lake Forest.

[Gregory Sager]

I put the curse on Millikin last time. But another team with a couple good wins early is Lake Forest.

Boy, you put the curse on 'em good. Aurora jumped out to a 24-3 lead in that game and never looked back. I wouldn't show your face in Decatur for awhile if I were you. (For most people, that's a hardship that they would not consider to be an undue burden. )

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

'Tis the season of ... upsets? There have been plenty. 13 of the D3hoops.com Men's Preseason Top 25 have lost and even the women have seen some shockers (Eastern Connecticut over Amherst!). So, I guess there are many teams thankful this time of year?

Sunday on Hoopsville, Dave recaps a wacky few weeks of basketball and previews what could be very topsy-turvy first in-season Top 25s. Dave also welcomes one of the teams which pulled off one of the larger upsets in the last week, Loras, who defeated No. 3 Augustana.

Division III also hears from the new men's basketball committee chair for the first time this season. Gallaudet Associate Athletic Director for Communications Sam Atkinson joins Dave in studio live to talk about the new-look national committee, how the work has evolved not only over the years but also the last few months, and take questions from viewers.

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[wooscotsfan]

#21 Wooster moves to 4-0 on the season with another win today.

In the past week, Wooster has notched solid road wins AT Hanover and AT Ohio Northern.  In Wooster's win today at ONU, the Scots held First Team Preseason All American Ryan Bruns to only 8 points on 3 of 12 shooting from the floor.  Wooster played a great defensive game and only allowed ONU to make 7 field goals total in the second half.

Despite some national voters who conveniently forget head to head results  , Wooster beat Illinois Wesleyan in the NCAA tourney last year.  Wooster's top three scorers in the win over IWU were Reece Dupler, Danyon Hempy and Trenton Tipton.  Take a guess who lead Wooster in scoring today at ONU -- that's right....Hempy, Dupler and Tipton.  This season, Wooster has also added a transfer 6'7" center, Dontae Williams, who started 12 games for a Division II school last year.  Perhaps, Wooster will get some top 15 votes in the next poll? 

[Gregory Sager]

Despite some national voters who conveniently forget head to head results  , Wooster beat Illinois Wesleyan in the NCAA tourney last year.

Why would the voters look at that? As you said, that was last year. Turn the page on your calendar.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	624	Nebraska Wesleyan	6-0	def. Grinnell, 143-90; def. Bethany Lutheran, 104-85; def. Carroll, 70-64; def. (n) St. Norbert, 77-67; def. Redlands, 99-77; def. Olivet, 100-70
#2	567	UW-Oshkosh	2-1	def. (n) Piedmont, 86-77; LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 74-86; def. Edgewood, 93-79
#3	539	Augustana	3-1	def. Alma, 85-74; def. Calvin, 86-67; LOST to #40 Loras, 73-74; def. Rockford, 78-64
#4	529	Whitman	4-1	def. #32 LeTourneau, 104-90; def. Sul Ross State, 97-61; def. Concordia (Texas), 124-92; def. T#50 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 84-75; LOST to #43 Pomona-Pitzer, 109-112 2OT
#5	463	MIT	3-1	LOST to Endicott, 73-90; def. Eastern Nazarene, 86-55; def. Tufts, 98-92 OT; def. T#52 Keene State, 96-76
#6	462	Whitworth	3-1	def. (n) #23 St. Olaf, 75-55; def. (n) Whittier, 90-76; def. Trinity (Texas), 76-65; LOST to (n) Texas-Dallas, 79-88
#7	431	Springfield	2-2	def. Western New England, 95-84; def. T#52 Keene State, 89-81; LOST to (n) Ohio Wesleyan, 66-80; LOST to (n) T#50 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-85
#8	417	Williams	5-0	def. T#52 Salem State, 91-79; def. Southern Vermont, 88-57; def. Massachusetts College, 117-34; def. Manhattanville, 85-73; def. #55 Yeshiva, 85-64
#9	400	Hamilton	5-0	def. Centenary (N.J.), 97-72; def. York (N.Y.), 125-65; def. Bard, 97-88; def. (n) Transylvania, 73-63; def. Carnegie Mellon, 79-71
#10	367	UW-Platteville	1-2	def. Concordia (Wis.), 74-60; LOST to #25 St. John's, 55-71; LOST to Simpson, 86-97
#11	366	Wittenberg	4-0	def. (n) Goucher, 65-51; def. (n) Juniata, 80-60; def. (n) Capital, 88-78; def. (n) Otterbein, 89-67
#12	356	UW-Stevens Point	3-0	def. #23 St. Olaf, 54-41; def. Buena Vista, 87-72; def. Edgewood, 73-54
#13	329	Swarthmore	4-0	def. TCNJ, 82-65; def. Delaware Valley, 88-55; def. Washington College, 83-51; def. Arcadia, 82-77
#14	214	Plattsburgh State	3-0	def. Clarkson, 105-95; def. Skidmore, 83-75; def. SUNY-Canton, 87-71
#15	206	Johns Hopkins	4-2	def. Moravian, 81-75; LOST to York (Pa.), 72-78; def. (n) DeSales, 85-78; LOST to Salisbury, 69-78; def. McDaniel, 77-61; def. Marymount, 57-41
#16	179	New Jersey City	4-1	LOST to Stevens, 72-76; def. Eastern Mennonite, 76-67; def. (n) Bridgewater (Va.), 73-70 OT; def. Kean, 92-67; def. Farmingdale State, 85-77
#17	166	Middlebury	3-0	def. Vermont Tech, 99-65; def. NVU-Johnson, 83-37; def. Endicott, 101-96
#18	147	Emory	4-1	def. Piedmont, 98-80; def. (n) Staten Island, 86-68; def. (n) Keuka, 109-73; def. #22 Maryville (Tenn.), 96-93 OT; LOST to Randolph-Macon, 74-94
#19	142	Illinois Wesleyan	6-0	def. Chicago, 81-73; def. Calvin, 68-62; def. Alma, 86-81; def. #37 Washington U., 92-85; def. (n) Westminster (Mo.), 95-64; def. Webster, 77-62
#20	129	John Carroll	3-1	def. (n) Johnson and Wales, 88-79; def. Buffalo State, 99-94; def. (n) Thomas More, 79-74; LOST to #47 Christopher Newport, 73-109
#21	107	Wooster	4-0	def. Muskingum, 108-100; def. Mount St. Joseph, 84-54; def. T#48 Hanover, 57-47; def. T#52 Ohio Northern, 61-52
#22	95	Maryville (Tenn.)	1-3	LOST to Eastern, 65-68; LOST to T#50 Emory and Henry, 74-86; LOST to #18 Emory, 93-96 OT; def. (n) Oglethorpe, 65-56
#23	92	St. Olaf	1-4	LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 75-80; LOST to #12 UW-Stevens Point, 41-54; LOST to (n) #6 Whitworth, 55-75; LOST to George Fox, 88-91 OT; def. Bethany Lutheran, 81-68
#24	81	UW-Whitewater	4-0	def. Anderson, 98-82; def. #25 St. John's, 83-72; def. Concordia (Wis.), 89-70; def. Monmouth, 83-55
#25	77	St. John's	3-1	def. Minnesota-Morris, 95-54; LOST to #24 UW-Whitewater, 72-83; def. #10 UW-Platteville, 71-55; def. UW-La Crosse, 84-79

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	76	Hope	3-2	def. (n) Greenville, 139-129; LOST to (n) Simpson, 55-73; def. T#52 Ohio Northern, 84-77; def. (n) Aquinas, 78-63; LOST to (n) Cornerstone, 58-70
#27	67	Rochester	6-0	def. Rochester Tech, 68-43; def. Houghton, 73-64; def. Baldwin Wallace, 64-55; def. Hobart, 81-63; def. Elmira, 84-73; def. #45 Montclair State, 54-45
#28	60	Nazareth	3-0	def. Hiram, 88-81; def. TCNJ, 99-95 OT; def. Medaille, 81-68
#29	47	Marietta	5-0	def. Bethany, 93-63; def. Otterbein, 98-66; def. La Roche, 91-87; def. St. Vincent, 115-68; def. Frostburg State, 84-59
#30	42	Roanoke	3-2	LOST to (n) Ursinus, 64-72; def. (n) Clarks Summit, 90-47; LOST to Keuka, 54-58; def. Staten Island, 88-57; def. Hampden-Sydney, 93-48
#31	36	Amherst	3-0	def. Framingham State, 96-62; def. Kean, 101-52; def. Westfield State, 101-71
#32	35	LeTourneau	3-3	def. Willamette, 73-72; LOST to Whitman, 90-104; def. Schreiner, 77-69; LOST to Texas Lutheran, 79-80; def. Austin, 108-69; LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 87-89
#33	33	Ramapo	5-0	def. Western Connecticut, 83-80; def. #55 Yeshiva, 72-69; def. (n) Gordon, 82-66; def. Westfield State, 61-60; def. Rutgers-Newark, 61-50
#34	26	Penn State-Behrend	3-0	def. Carnegie Mellon, 81-72; def. Thiel, 63-46; def. Allegheny, 80-77
#35	25	Nichols	4-0	def. Fitchburg State, 84-75; def. Lasell, 88-73; def. #44 Wesleyan, 85-66; def. Trinity (Conn.), 84-67
#36	23	St. Thomas	2-1	LOST to Brooklyn, 77-78; def. Emerson, 83-78; def. St. Scholastica, 98-72
#37	20	Washington U.	3-2	def. Illinois College, 91-62; LOST to Webster, 64-72; LOST to #19 Illinois Wesleyan, 85-92; def. Carroll, 71-69; def. (n) Carthage, 89-70
T#38	19	Aurora	1-0	def. Millikin, 90-65
T#38	19	North Central (Ill.)	3-0	def. Heidelberg, 68-57; def. Benedictine, 74-60; def. Alma, 87-67
#40	17	Loras	4-0	def. Greenville, 147-129; def. St. Scholastica, 81-80; def. Olivet, 105-88; def. #3 Augustana, 74-73
T#41	14	Cabrini	2-2	LOST to Eastern, 77-84; LOST to (n) Baldwin Wallace, 61-75; def. (n) Houghton, 90-73; def. Rosemont, 85-84
T#41	14	Franklin and Marshall	3-2	def. Albright, 81-74; def. Alvernia, 63-50; def. Hobart, 85-84; LOST to Gettysburg, 71-84; LOST to York (Pa.), 74-78 OT
#43	11	Pomona-Pitzer	4-0	def. Biola, 92-67; def. LIFE Pacific, 68-59; def. (n) Willamette, 85-71; def. Whitman, 112-109 2OT
#44	10	Wesleyan	2-2	def. Becker, 91-51; def. Western New England, 80-72; LOST to #35 Nichols, 66-85; LOST to #46 Eastern Connecticut, 50-70
#45	9	Montclair State	5-1	def. Staten Island, 84-70; def. Penn College, 92-62; def. CCNY, 101-76; def. William Paterson, 63-61; def. (n) RPI, 76-73; LOST to #27 Rochester, 45-54
#46	8	Eastern Connecticut	3-1	LOST to (n) William Paterson, 79-86; def. (n) SUNY Potsdam, 89-81; def. Connecticut College, 93-70; def. #44 Wesleyan, 70-50
#47	6	Christopher Newport	4-0	def. Trinity (Texas), 67-51; def. Marymount, 66-56; def. Methodist, 73-59; def. #20 John Carroll, 109-73
T#48	5	Hanover	3-1	def. Spalding, 78-55; def. (n) Akron-Wayne, 104-67; def. (n) Kent State - Tuscarawas, 85-47; LOST to #21 Wooster, 47-57
T#48	5	Bethel	2-2	def. (n) UW-Eau Claire, 72-56; LOST to UW-Stout, 80-91; def. Crown, 100-79; LOST to UW-La Crosse, 64-69
T#50	3	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	2-2	LOST to Chicago, 43-51; def. (n) #7 Springfield, 85-64; LOST to Whitman, 75-84; def. (n) Willamette, 70-43
T#50	3	Emory and Henry	6-0	def. Thomas More, 72-65; def. Transylvania, 95-73; def. (n) Webster, 84-55; def. #22 Maryville (Tenn.), 86-74; def. William Peace, 79-74; def. Shenandoah, 97-69
T#52	2	Keene State	2-2	def. T#52 Salem State, 89-64; LOST to #7 Springfield, 81-89; def. Albertus Magnus, 105-96 OT; LOST to #5 MIT, 76-96
T#52	2	Ohio Northern	2-2	def. Defiance, 99-61; def. Denison, 86-66; LOST to #26 Hope, 77-84; LOST to #21 Wooster, 52-61
T#52	2	Salem State	2-4	LOST to T#52 Keene State, 64-89; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 87-85; LOST to #8 Williams, 79-91; def. Mount St. Vincent, 97-85; LOST to Gordon, 81-98; LOST to Bates, 73-93
#55	1	Yeshiva	0-4	LOST to FDU-Florham, 68-69; LOST to #33 Ramapo, 69-72; LOST to Sarah Lawrence, 88-91; LOST to #8 Williams, 64-85

[Darryl Nester]

And a few more ...

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Wheaton (Ill.)	5-0	def. Ripon, 74-67; def. Coe, 79-77; def. #2 UW-Oshkosh, 86-74; def. Calvin, 86-71; def. #32 LeTourneau, 89-87
---	---	Endicott	4-1	def. Eastern Nazarene, 95-81; def. #5 MIT, 90-73; def. (n) Suffolk, 85-62; def. Babson, 97-88; LOST to #17 Middlebury, 96-101
---	---	Millikin	4-1	def. Dubuque, 76-71; def. Principia, 96-76; def. Coe, 85-71; def. Westminster (Mo.), 74-69; LOST to T#38 Aurora, 65-90; (11/25 vs Simpson -- listed as cancelled)
---	---	Randolph-Macon	7-0	def. Immaculata, 83-56; def. Hood, 91-61; def. (n) Albright, 82-69; def. Gettysburg, 88-67; def. Ferrum, 73-54; def. (n) Oglethorpe, 73-56; def. #18 Emory, 94-74

[hopefan]

With the new Top 25 list out yesterday, let's look at who is NOT in.

Here are undefeated teams that have yet to catch any voters eye:


Sewanee  (6-0)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (5-0)
Millsaps (5-0)
Alfred (4-0)
Utica (4–0)
Mass-Boston (4-0)
Wilkes (4-0)
MSOE (4-0)
St. Elizabeth (4-0)
New England College (4-0)
Coast Guard (4-0)
Rowan (4-0)
Lynchburg (4-0)
Centre (4-0)
Johnson and Wales (Colo)  (4-0)
Union(3-0)
Augsburg (3-0)
DePauw  (3-0)
Wabash (3-0)
Occidental (3-0)
Oswego State (3-0)
SUNY Oneonta (3-0)
Pfeiffer (3-0)
Mount St. Mary (2-0)

[y_jack_lok]

^^^ Good one. +1.

[Greek Tragedy]

Pfeiffer and J&W (CO) are both provisional members. They are ineligible. Pfeiffer hasn't played a D3 opponent yet, actually just 2-0, not ,3-0. If J&W were eligible, I think they would be prime candidates to get in the Top 25 sometime this season.

[hopefan]

Ugh. Included Pfeiffer game vs Carolina Christian which was an exhibition. Thanks.
Note. Pfeiffer does play a full USAC Schedule. Will be interesting to see how they do.

[noonhooper]

Went ahead and put the Massey Strength of Schedule next to all the teams on the list. I think we can see why none of those records have sparkled in the eyes of the voters.

With the new Top 25 list out yesterday, let's look at who is NOT in.

Here are undefeated teams that have yet to catch any voters eye:
Mary Hardin-Baylor (5-0) 177
Millsaps (5-0)  249
Alfred (4-0)  326
Utica (4–0)   277
Mass-Boston (4-0)  355
Wilkes (4-0)  313
MSOE (4-0)   305
St. Elizabeth (4-0)   425
New England College (4-0)  427
Coast Guard (4-0)  392
Rowan (4-0) 255
Lynchburg (4-0)  353
Centre (4-0)   181
Union(3-0)  382
Augsburg (3-0)  187
DePauw  (3-0) 325
Wabash (3-0)   160
Occidental (3-0) 346
Oswego State (3-0) 388
SUNY Oneonta (3-0)  146
Mount St. Mary (2-0) 352

[Greek Tragedy]

Ugh. Included Pfeiffer game vs Carolina Christian which was an exhibition. Thanks.
Note. Pfeiffer does play a full USAC Schedule. Will be interesting to see how they do.

They actually did last year too, I believe..and they did very well.

Went ahead and put the Massey Strength of Schedule next to all the teams on the list. I think we can see why none of those records have sparkled in the eyes of the voters.

With the new Top 25 list out yesterday, let's look at who is NOT in.

Here are undefeated teams that have yet to catch any voters eye:
Mary Hardin-Baylor (5-0) 177
Millsaps (5-0)  249
Alfred (4-0)  326
Utica (4–0)   277
Mass-Boston (4-0)  355
Wilkes (4-0)  313
MSOE (4-0)   305
St. Elizabeth (4-0)   425
New England College (4-0)  427
Coast Guard (4-0)  392
Rowan (4-0) 255
Lynchburg (4-0)  353
Centre (4-0)   181
Union(3-0)  382
Augsburg (3-0)  187
DePauw  (3-0) 325
Wabash (3-0)   160
Occidental (3-0) 346
Oswego State (3-0) 388
SUNY Oneonta (3-0)  146
Mount St. Mary (2-0) 352

I'd like to see the ratings for the Top 25 if you have time.