Top 25 talk

[fantastic50]

The big thing for NESCAC Presidents is the travel and class time

In the NCAC, the same two priorities drive scheduling, although our geographic location allows for meeting top-quality opponents without too much travel.  Also, unlike the NESCAC, we play midweek games (but only within about a three-hour driving distance.)  I imagine that the issues are similar in other conferences with high-end academic standards, such as the Centennial, NEWMAC, and Liberty League, among others.

[Ralph Turner]

The big thing for NESCAC Presidents is the travel and class time

In the NCAC, the same two priorities drive scheduling, although our geographic location allows for meeting top-quality opponents without too much travel.  Also, unlike the NESCAC, we play midweek games (but only within about a three-hour driving distance.)  I imagine that the issues are similar in other conferences with high-end academic standards, such as the Centennial, NEWMAC, and Liberty League, among others.

...which is why we like D-3. The idea is to allow student-athletes to opportunity to compete in a framework consistent with their academic pursuits.

[smedindy]

The big thing for NESCAC Presidents is the travel and class time - many of the schools simply aren't allowed to travel outside a relatively small radius before the semester ends.

Of course, the academic lightweights of the UAA go everywhere - on weekends yes - but still....

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

The big thing for NESCAC Presidents is the travel and class time - many of the schools simply aren't allowed to travel outside a relatively small radius before the semester ends.

Of course, the academic lightweights of the UAA go everywhere - on weekends yes - but still....

Hey, I didn't say I agree with it, but I do think perception is a big thing when it comes to NESCAC athletic rules.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Nebraska Wesleyan	8-0	def. Central, 91-83; def. Dubuque, 92-78
#2	545	Williams	7-0	def. Fitchburg State, 109-41; def. Wesleyan, 80-65
#3	508	Hamilton	7-0	def. Utica, 73-58; def. Johnson and Wales, 91-71
#4	496	UW-Stevens Point	4-1	LOST to #5 Augustana, 84-86 OT; def. UW-Superior, 79-36
#5	473	Augustana	5-1	def. #4 UW-Stevens Point, 86-84 OT; def. Carroll, 68-56
#6	471	Whitman	6-1	def. Pacific, 128-83; def. Willamette, 104-59
#7	454	Wittenberg	5-1	LOST to #21 Marietta, 74-84; def. Oberlin, 79-66
#8	428	Swarthmore	4-2	LOST to T#35 Johns Hopkins, 57-59; LOST to Franklin and Marshall, 51-53
#9	420	UW-Oshkosh	4-1	def. North Park, 86-53; def. Elmhurst, 68-57
#10	360	Illinois Wesleyan	7-0	def. Carthage, 75-67 OT
#11	340	MIT	5-1	def. Pine Manor, 97-54; def. Lasell, 96-64
#12	317	Middlebury	5-1	def. Morrisville State, 78-63; def. New England College, 97-68; LOST to Keene State, 88-93
#13	295	Plattsburgh State	6-0	def. St. Lawrence, 93-64; def. SUNY New Paltz, 85-75; def. SUNY Oneonta, 84-69
#14	290	Whitworth	5-1	def. Willamette, 86-69; def. Pacific, 123-98
#15	258	UW-Whitewater	5-0	def. Beloit, 92-65
#16	251	Wooster	6-0	def. Kenyon, 90-70; def. Hiram, 79-55
#17	191	Randolph-Macon	9-0	def. Washington and Lee, 84-76; def. #33 Emory and Henry, 79-68
#18	184	Wheaton (Ill.)	5-2	LOST to Chicago, 60-90; LOST to North Park, 65-68
#19	175	Loras	4-1	LOST to Dubuque, 73-78; 12/01 vs. Buena Vista postponed
#20	135	Rochester	6-0	IDLE
#21	108	Marietta	7-0	def. #7 Wittenberg, 84-74; def. #26 John Carroll, 82-75
#22	94	Christopher Newport	6-1	def. Shenandoah, 91-78; def. (n) Randolph, 82-48; LOST to Lynchburg, 64-77
#23	75	Emory	5-2	LOST to Sewanee, 70-83; def. Trinity (Texas), 116-77
#24	71	New Jersey City	5-2	LOST to William Paterson, 72-88; def. Rowan, 76-68
#25	60	Pomona-Pitzer	5-1	LOST to Washington U., 62-66; def. (n) Alma, 88-76

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	57	John Carroll	3-2	LOST to #21 Marietta, 75-82
#27	49	North Central (Ill.)	5-0	def. Finlandia, 83-58; def. Millikin, 75-64
#28	47	Springfield	2-3	LOST to Becker, 70-74
#29	46	St. John's	5-1	def. Bethel, 90-55; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 83-71
#30	44	Amherst	5-0	def. Anna Maria, 98-58; def. Emerson, 85-62
#31	42	Endicott	5-2	def. Curry, 105-58; LOST to #37 Nichols, 64-85
#32	32	Nazareth	3-1	LOST to Oswego State, 55-70
#33	28	Emory and Henry	6-2	LOST to Lynchburg, 66-87; LOST to #17 Randolph-Macon, 68-79
#34	24	Ramapo	6-1	LOST to #43 Montclair State, 75-95; def. Stockton, 77-50
T#35	22	UW-Platteville	3-2	def. (n) Alma, 88-61; def. Washington U., 64-62
T#35	22	Johns Hopkins	6-2	def. #8 Swarthmore, 59-57; def. Washington College, 82-64
#37	19	Nichols	6-0	def. Salve Regina, 106-79; def. #31 Endicott, 85-64
#38	15	Penn State-Behrend	4-1	LOST to La Roche, 64-74; def. Pitt-Bradford, 101-59
#39	13	Salisbury	7-0	def. Washington College, 68-62; def. Goucher, 101-71; def. St. Mary's (Md.), 96-94
#40	9	Aurora	2-1	LOST to Wisconsin Lutheran, 82-96; def. Illinois Tech, 73-57
#41	8	Scranton	6-0	def. Cabrini, 90-80; def. Goucher, 85-66
#42	7	Maryville (Tenn.)	3-4	LOST to Covenant, 58-79; def. Greensboro, 85-84; def. Methodist, 93-67
#43	6	Montclair State	7-1	def. #34 Ramapo, 95-75; def. Kean, 79-59
#44	5	WPI	6-0	def. Tufts, 89-66; def. Fitchburg State, 63-56
#45	3	Roanoke	5-2	def. Southern Virginia, 79-76; def. Averett, 72-46
T#46	1	Hope	3-2	IDLE
T#46	1	Lake Forest	4-1	LOST to Grinnell, 100-108; def. Cornell, 90-88
T#46	1	St. Thomas	4-1	def. Macalester, 83-61; def. (n) UW-River Falls, 85-70

[Darryl Nester]

... and the current/formerly undefeated teams from hopefan's list -- minus a few teams that had a particularly rough week:

Team	W-L	Results
Millsaps	8-0	def. Centenary (La.), 70-55; def. Austin, 90-67; def. University of Dallas, 70-60
MSOE	6-0	def. Rockford, 108-89; def. Marian, 76-64
Coast Guard	6-0	def. Fisher, 91-70; def. Merchant Marine, 69-42
Lynchburg	7-0	def. #33 Emory and Henry, 87-66; def. Mary Washington, 69-64; def. #22 Christopher Newport, 77-64
Centre	6-0	def. Franklin, 80-71; def. Sewanee, 80-71 OT
DePauw	5-0	def. Rose-Hulman, 71-67; def. Kenyon, 83-75
Wabash	5-0	def. Rose-Hulman, 77-74; def. Elmhurst, 95-71; def. Denison, 83-57
Occidental	5-0	def. Cal Miramar, 91-59; def. West Coast Baptist, 98-66
Oswego State	6-0	def. #32 Nazareth, 70-55; def. SUNY Geneseo, 68-58; def. Brockport, 73-63
Sewanee	7-1	def. #23 Emory, 83-70; LOST to Centre, 71-80 OT
Mary Hardin-Baylor	6-1	def. Schreiner, 103-80; def. East Texas Baptist, 98-95; LOST to LeTourneau, 82-87
Utica	4-1	LOST to #3 Hamilton, 58-73
St. Elizabeth	5-1	def. King's (N.Y.), 96-72; def. Penn College, 87-57; LOST to Lancaster Bible, 59-73
New England College	4-1	LOST to #12 Middlebury, 68-97
Johnson and Wales	5-1	def. Whittier, 99-87; LOST to UC Santa Cruz, 69-73
Union	4-1	LOST to Hobart, 66-73; def. Rochester Tech, 74-68
Augsburg	4-1	def. Carleton, 74-46; LOST to Bethel, 84-90 OT
Mount St. Mary	3-1	def. Hunter, 61-56; def. Yeshiva, 70-63; LOST to St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 94-98 OT
Alfred	4-1	LOST to SUNY Geneseo, 73-89
Wilkes	5-1	LOST to Drew, 65-67; def. Clarks Summit, 106-55
Rowan	4-2	LOST to TCNJ, 75-79; LOST to #24 New Jersey City, 68-76

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The carnage continues!

Ok, maybe some hyperbole there, but it doesn't take away from the fact nine men's Top 25 teams lost (account for 12 losses). Even the women are taking more losses this time of year than maybe we are used to from that Top 25 group. Five more took losses this past week, granted some were to other Top 25 opponents.

What could the second Top 25 poll of the season look like when it's released Monday evening? What other teams are surprising or maybe flying under the radar?

Join Dave McHugh as he's returned from his soccer soiree to recap another incredible week of Division III basketball. Hoopsville will air at a special time on Monday - starting at 11:00 am Eastern.

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[Riley056]

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2018-19/week2

*Random thoughts
- Randolph Macon has played 9 games already!
- This year is going to be fun
- The top 8 teams in poll are all really good

[fantastic50]

The big thing for NESCAC Presidents is the travel and class time - many of the schools simply aren't allowed to travel outside a relatively small radius before the semester ends.

Of course, the academic lightweights of the UAA go everywhere - on weekends yes - but still....

The UAA is a different animal because of distance. They do miss a lot of Friday classes in some sports for travel, but they also have the money to fly.

[AndOne]

Angels must be looking out for Loras. They lose to an unranked team that didn't receive a single vote, and that already has 3 losses, and they only drop 2 places, from 19th to 21st.   

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Angels must be looking out for Loras. They lose to an unranked team that didn't receive a single vote, and that already has 3 losses, and they only drop 2 places, from 19th to 21st.   

Well they did drop from 175 points to 85 which is only 17 ahead of 25th. And 85 would have only been 23rd in the previous poll.
They were jumped by 4 teams (Marietta, Rochester, Amherst and North Central (IL)) while moving ahead of 2 who lost two games (Swarthmore and Wheaton (IL)). In fact, of the 15 teams directly after Loras in the previous poll, 10 picked up a loss, and 4 of the 5 who didn't lose moved ahead. Only St John's didn't lose and didn't jump Loras.

[AndOne]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really care about points. In MHO, the only thing that matters is what number you're ranked at.
For example, you don't hear someone say, "we rec'd 85 points in the latest national poll." They say "we're ranked 21st in the latest national poll."

Specifically, not only was the team Loras lost to unranked, but they already have 3 losses this season.
And the kicker is while it was a road game for Loras, the other school is in the same town, and only 0.7 Miles, and 2 minutes away so travel fatigue is not an adequate defense. 
Just seems a loss like that would merit more than a 2 spot drop. That's all. It's not a biggie. 

[Pat Coleman]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really care about points. In MHO, the only thing that matters is what number you're ranked at.

Super basic. When you're in third place, do you notice whether you're one game out of second or two games out of second?

Looks like you just described a rivalry game, AndOne! Congrats!

[duckfan41]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really care about points. In MHO, the only thing that matters is what number you're ranked at.

Super basic. When you're in third place, do you notice whether you're one game out of second or two games out of second?

Looks like you just described a rivalry game, AndOne! Congrats!

Glad that someone mentioned this! UD and Loras is a huge rivalry game within the ARC.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really care about points. In MHO, the only thing that matters is what number you're ranked at.
For example, you don't hear someone say, "we rec'd 85 points in the latest national poll." They say "we're ranked 21st in the latest national poll."

Specifically, not only was the team Loras lost to unranked, but they already have 3 losses this season.
And the kicker is while it was a road game for Loras, the other school is in the same town, and only 0.7 Miles, and 2 minutes away so travel fatigue is not an adequate defense. 
Just seems a loss like that would merit more than a 2 spot drop. That's all. It's not a biggie. 

You can't evaluate a team in isolation.  Should they have dropped below teams who did even worse than them that week?!

FCGG explained the situation quite well - reread his post.