Top 25 talk

[Titan Q]

From the Top 25 scoreboard...

Whitworth Alumni 106
#20-Whitworth 104

Guess I gotta drop Whitworth from my ballot because they lost to the alums?

https://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/men/2019-20/top25?date=2019-12-07

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/stats/x1-alum.htm

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

[Smitty Oom]

From the Top 25 scoreboard...

Whitworth Alumni 106
#20-Whitworth 104

Guess I gotta drop Whitworth from my ballot because they lost to the alums?

https://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/men/2019-20/top25?date=2019-12-07

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/stats/x1-alum.htm

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

Good to see George Valle still has it, leading the team with 21 points over a top 25 team. He is squarely in the All-Region discussion in the West.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

From the Top 25 scoreboard...

Whitworth Alumni 106
#20-Whitworth 104

Guess I gotta drop Whitworth from my ballot because they lost to the alums?

https://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/men/2019-20/top25?date=2019-12-07

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/stats/x1-alum.htm

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

Good to see George Valle still has it, leading the team with 21 points over a top 25 team. He is squarely in the All-Region discussion in the West.

The big question is what's happened to D3hoops National Player of the Year, Michael Taylor?  Only six points?

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Nearly Complete)

4 results to be added later this evening.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	Swarthmore	8-0	won at Ursinus, 88-86; def. Gettysburg, 95-63
#2	586	Emory	9-0	won at LaGrange, 98-89; def. Piedmont, 96-71
#3	540	Wittenberg	5-0	won at DePauw, 88-63; def. Allegheny, 78-60
#4	522	Middlebury	9-0	def. New England College, 88-87; won at Stevens, 76-66
#5	466	St. Thomas	7-1	def. Macalester, 64-35; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 90-66
#6	445	Nebraska Wesleyan	9-1	def. Buena Vista, 78-65; won at Dubuque, 88-63
#7	429	Nichols	6-1	def. Wentworth, 72-64; LOST at Lasell, 89-96
#8	423	Marietta	6-0	def. Otterbein, 78-56; def. John Carroll, 104-98
#9	403	Randolph-Macon	9-0	def. Bridgewater (Va.), 97-55; def. #18 Christopher Newport, 79-62
#10	356	Washington U.	7-1	def. Rhodes, 80-55
#11	330	UW-Platteville	8-0	def. Hope, 82-68; def. Olivet, 96-63
#12	311	St. John's	6-1	def. Concordia-Moorhead, 66-41; won at Hamline, 82-57
#13	296	UW-Oshkosh	5-3	LOST at Alma, 81-88; won at Calvin, 89-50
#14	290	Amherst	4-2	LOST at #28 Babson, 82-87; won at Emerson, 97-86
#15	250	Johns Hopkins	8-0	def. Gettysburg, 72-66; won at T#37 Muhlenberg, 59-55
#16	244	Guilford	8-2	won at Roanoke, 74-58; LOST to Virginia Wesleyan, 57-64
#17	228	Elmhurst	6-0	won at Millikin, 85-60
#18	163	Christopher Newport	7-3	def. William Peace, 83-60; LOST at #9 Randolph-Macon, 62-79
#19	160	North Central (Ill.)	5-3	LOST at #21 Carthage, 81-83; won at North Park, 78-56
#20	143	Whitworth	5-1	IDLE
#21	127	Carthage	6-1	def. #19 North Central (Ill.), 83-81; LOST at #39 Illinois Wesleyan, 91-95
#22	109	WPI	8-2	def. #36 Tufts, 72-62; LOST at Albertus Magnus, 60-71
#23	105	UW-La Crosse	6-0	IDLE
#24	82	Augustana	5-2	def. Carroll, 65-63
#25	64	Oswego State	5-2	LOST at St. Lawrence, 82-83 OT; LOST at Brockport, 67-68; won at SUNY Geneseo, 70-59

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	55	Hamilton	8-1	won at Hartwick, 91-81; LOST at SUNY-Purchase, 76-97; def. Johnson and Wales, 86-73
#27	53	UW-Stevens Point	6-0	def. Hope, 74-65
#28	49	Babson	9-0	def. #14 Amherst, 87-82; won at Salem State, 81-75; def. (n) #36 Tufts, 99-85
#29	47	Wooster	5-1	won at Allegheny, 62-61; def. T#44 Wabash, 79-74
#30	34	Augsburg	5-1	def. St. Olaf, 85-57; def. Carleton, 73-57
#31	32	Centre	7-2	def. Boyce, 87-67; LOST at Sewanee, 59-80
#32	29	Benedictine	8-1	def. Edgewood, 77-66; def. Dominican, 74-63
#33	27	Colby	9-0	def. Thomas, 87-69; won at Colby-Sawyer, 101-69
#34	25	Whitman	5-2	IDLE
#35	17	Springfield	7-0	def. Trinity (Conn.), 67-62; won at Williams, 76-75
#36	14	Tufts	6-2	LOST at #22 WPI, 62-72; def. (n) Brandeis, 68-61; LOST to (n) #28 Babson, 85-99
T#37	10	Muhlenberg	8-1	won at Washington College, 74-66; LOST to #15 Johns Hopkins, 55-59
T#37	10	UW-Eau Claire	7-1	IDLE
#39	9	Illinois Wesleyan	6-2	LOST to Wheaton (Ill.), 60-76; def. #21 Carthage, 95-91
#40	6	Yeshiva	9-1	won at St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 85-51; won at Farmingdale State, 79-72; won at St. Joseph's (L.I.), 96-76
#41	5	Rochester	7-1	IDLE
#42	4	Pomona-Pitzer	5-2	def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 51-48; def. Bethesda University, 96-51
#43	2	Mary Hardin-Baylor	6-1	won at Texas Lutheran, 62-57
T#44	1	Mount Union	5-2	won at John Carroll, 96-79; def. Ohio Northern, 81-60
T#44	1	Wabash	5-3	def. Ohio Wesleyan, 79-61; LOST at #29 Wooster, 74-79

[Titan Q]

Thank you as always, Darryl!

[Titan Q]

FWIW, comparing Massey to the D3hoops.com Top 25, Massey says...

https://www.masseyratings.com/cb2020/ncaa-d3/ratings

These teams are generally in the right spot in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (within 8 of Massey).
#1 Swarthmore (Massey #4)
#2 Emory (Massey #3)
#3 Wittenberg (Massey #11)
#5 St. Thomas (Massey #5)
#6 Nebraska Wesleyan (Massey #6)
#8 Marietta (Massey #9)
#9 Randolph-Macon (Massey #1)
#10 Wash U (Massey #18)
#11 UW-Platteville (Massey #7)
#13 UW-Oshkosh (Massey #14)
#15 Johns Hopkins (Massey #10)
#16 Guilford (Massey #21)
#18 Christopher Newport (Massey #25)
#20 Whitworth (Massey #20)

These teams are too high in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (Massey has 8+ lower...a difference of 20+ is highlighted).)
#4 Middlebury (Massey #19)
#7 Nichols (Massey #62)
#12 St. John's (Massey #36)
#14 Amherst (Massey #45)
#19 North Central (Massey #44)
#21 Carthage (Massey #30)
#22 WPI (Massey #48)
#25 Oswego State (Massey #113)

These teams are too low in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (Massey has 8+ higher...teams Massey has in top 25 and D3hoops does not are highlighted).
#17 Elmhurst (Massey #2)
#23 UW-La Crosse (Massey #12)
#24 Augustana (Massey #15)
(ORV) UW-Stevens Point (Massey #7)
(ORV) Colby (Massey #9)
(No Votes) Wheaton (Massey #16)
(ORV) Babson (Massey #17)
(ORV) Illinois Wesleyan (Massey #22)
(ORV) Mount Union (Massey #23)
(No Votes) Loras (Massey #24)

[Colby Hoops]

Babson has to make a huge jump, they've probably had the best results to date of any NE team. And I don't really see how Nichols or Amherst should be ahead of Colby at this point. Albertus Magnus is also deserving of some votes after a nice win over WPI.

[Titan Q]

Babson has to make a huge jump, they've probably had the best results to date of any NE team. And I don't really see how Nichols or Amherst should be ahead of Colby at this point. Albertus Magnus is also deserving of some votes after a nice win over WPI.

I watched Babson beat Tufts today.  For the ballot tomorrow, I have them in and pretty high.  I like them a lot.

I have Colby in.

I do not have Nichols or Amherst in.

[Titan Q]

From a Top 25 standpoint, the Central region is pretty crazy.

* There are 5 legitimate Top 25 candidates in the WIAC -- Platteville, Stevens Point, La Crosse, Eau Claire, Oshkosh.

* There are 6 legitimate Top 25 candidates in the CCIW -- Elmhurst, Carthage, Augustana, Wheaton, IWU, North Central.

* And Wash U.

* And Benedictine.

[mohoops]

From a Top 25 standpoint, the Central region is pretty crazy.

* There are 5 legitimate Top 25 candidates in the WIAC -- Platteville, Stevens Point, La Crosse, Eau Claire, Oshkosh.

* There are 6 legitimate Top 25 candidates in the CCIW -- Elmhurst, Carthage, Augustana, Wheaton, IWU, North Central.

* And Wash U.

* And Benedictine.

Can we please reevaluate the D2 and D3 selection criteria and take the best teams, rather than the regional system?  The Central Region is the strongest in both divisions and always gets shorted on teams.

[Titan Q]

Can we please reevaluate the D2 and D3 selection criteria and take the best teams, rather than the regional system?  The Central Region is the strongest in both divisions and always gets shorted on teams.

The at-large bid process in Division III is national now...not regional.  The regions are a big factor, of course, but there is no limit on the number of Pool C bids one region can get.

[mohoops]

From a Top 25 standpoint, the Central region is pretty crazy.

* There are 5 legitimate Top 25 candidates in the WIAC -- Platteville, Stevens Point, La Crosse, Eau Claire, Oshkosh.

* There are 6 legitimate Top 25 candidates in the CCIW -- Elmhurst, Carthage, Augustana, Wheaton, IWU, North Central.

* And Wash U.

* And Benedictine.

Can we please reevaluate the D2 and D3 selection criteria and take the best teams, rather than the regional system?  The Central Region is the strongest in both divisions and always gets shorted on teams.

7 of the last 10 champions in D2 and 10 of the last 12 in D3, unless I am mistaken.

[Titan Q]

I believe the all-time D3 national title count by current region is:

Central = 21
Great Lakes = 7
Mid Atlantic = 4
Northeast = 4
East = 3
West = 3
Atlantic = 1
South = 1

[mohoops]

Can we please reevaluate the D2 and D3 selection criteria and take the best teams, rather than the regional system?  The Central Region is the strongest in both divisions and always gets shorted on teams.

The at-large bid process in Division III is national now...not regional.  The regions are a big factor, of course, but there is no limit on the number of Pool C bids one region can get.

While I have not run the stats on this and am happy to be wrong, it still seems to me to track the regional rankings extremely closely.  I should go back and look at how many Central teams were in last years 64. 

[Titan Q]

Can we please reevaluate the D2 and D3 selection criteria and take the best teams, rather than the regional system?  The Central Region is the strongest in both divisions and always gets shorted on teams.

The at-large bid process in Division III is national now...not regional.  The regions are a big factor, of course, but there is no limit on the number of Pool C bids one region can get.

While I have not run the stats on this and am happy to be wrong, it still seems to me to track the regional rankings extremely closely.  I should go back and look at how many Central teams were in last years 64.

I think the current process is actually very fair to the Central region.  I don't have the numbers but the region seems to always come out OK.