Top 25 talk

[Greek Tragedy]

Central region teams in the tournament last season.

La Crosse - WIAC
Oshkosh - WIAC
Platteville - WIAC
Augustana - CCIW
Wheaton - CCIW
NCC - CCIW
Aurora - NACC
Eureka - SLIAC
LFC - MWC

[WUPHF]

La Crosse - WIAC
Oshkosh - WIAC
Platteville - WIAC
Augustana - CCIW
Wheaton - CCIW
NCC - CCIW
Aurora - NACC
Eureka - SLIAC
LFC - MWC

I am not sure I follow...

[Greek Tragedy]

La Crosse - WIAC
Oshkosh - WIAC
Platteville - WIAC
Augustana - CCIW
Wheaton - CCIW
NCC - CCIW
Aurora - NACC
Eureka - SLIAC
LFC - MWC

I am not sure I follow...

Worry more about your picks in the Progressive Player League. LOL...

I edited my post. A response to a previous post.

[TheOsprey]

I believe the all-time D3 national title count by current region is:

Central = 21
Great Lakes = 7
Mid Atlantic = 4
Northeast = 4
East = 3
West = 3
Atlantic = 1
South = 1

When is the NCAA going to add the two additional regions?

[sac]

Can we please reevaluate the D2 and D3 selection criteria and take the best teams, rather than the regional system?  The Central Region is the strongest in both divisions and always gets shorted on teams.

The at-large bid process in Division III is national now...not regional.  The regions are a big factor, of course, but there is no limit on the number of Pool C bids one region can get.

While I have not run the stats on this and am happy to be wrong, it still seems to me to track the regional rankings extremely closely.  I should go back and look at how many Central teams were in last years 64.

I think the current process is actually very fair to the Central region.  I don't have the numbers but the region seems to always come out OK.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but:
The Central has had two of the more "controversial" (maybe not the right word) Pool C picks in recent years.   Oshkosh (16-10) in 2017 and LaCrosse (17-9) last year.  But in both cases they were slotted ahead of other Central Region teams in the final rankings when maybe they shouldn't have been.

Pool C's By year:
2015:  4--Stevens Point, WashU, Ill. Wesleyan, Elmhurst
2016:  2--Elmhurst, North Central
2017:  3--Whitewater, Oshkosh, Augustana
2018:  4--Platteville, Oshkosh, North Central, Ill. Wesleyan
2019:  4--Augustana, Wheaton, Oshkosh, LaCrosse

Bold--reached Final Four

Central Region teams that get left out are usually pretty fringe types with 8 or 9 losses, even though on the basketball court they're probably more than worthy of being in the tournament.

[Titan Q]

(I can't confirm the order of these selection...just my best guess at the time.)

2018-19 Season
1. (C) Augustana: .889, 24-3/.547/8-3
2. (S) Randolph-Macon: .893, 25-3/.534/6-3
3. (NE) Hamilton: .885, 23-3/.553/4-3
4. (NE) Williams: .769, 20-6/.598/6-5
5. (C) UW-Oshkosh: .885, 23-3/.542/3-3
6. (W) Loras: .778, 21-6/.587/2-2
7. (GL) Marietta: .769, 20-6/.549/6-4
8. (MA) York (Pa.): .750, 21-7/.561/6-4
9. (W) St. Thomas: .846, 22-4/.532/4-1
10. (GL) Wooster: .821, 23-5/.543/3-4
11. (E) Rochester: .800, 20-5/.539/5-2
12. (GL) Capital: .741, 20-7/.546/6-4
13. (E) Plattsburgh State: .760, 19-6/.531/6-6
14. (AT) New Jersey City: .741, 20-7/.551/6-6
15. (NE) MIT: .846, 22-4/.555/1-0
16. (NE) Middlebury: .708, 17-7/.600/4-5
17. (MA) Salisbury: .704, 19-8/.575/4-7
18. (C) Wheaton: .704, 19-8/.574/4-5
19. (AT) Ramapo: .667, 18-9/.567/8-5
20. (C) UW-La Crosse .654, 17-9/.574/4-4

2017-18 Season
1. Hamilton (NE/NESCAC): .846 (22-4)/.573/6-3 
2. Wesleyan (NE/NESCAC): .778 (21-6)/.590/8-4   
3. UW-Platteville (CE/WIAC: .833 (20-4)/.577/4-1   
4. Whitman (WE/NWC): .962 (25-1)/.515/4-1
5. Swarthmore (MA/CC): .815 (22-5)/.542/3-4   
6. St. John's (WE/MIAC): .880 (22-3)/.524/3-2 
7. Middlebury (NE/NESCAC): .760 (19-6).590/4-6   
8. Wooster (GL/NCAC): .778 (21-6)/.565/4-3
9. Marietta (GL/OAC): .778 (21-6)/.564/4-5   
10. New Jersey City (AT/NJAC): .731 (19-7)/.567/6-4   
11. Emory (SO/UAA): .840 (21-4)/.530/4-2 
12. Christopher Newport (MA/CAC): .777 (21-6)/.546/3-2   
13. UW-Oshkosh (CE/WIAC): .741 (20-7)/.554/2-4   
14. St. Olaf (WE/MIAC): .731 (19-7)/.544/3-2   
15. Albright (MA/Commonwealth): .769 (20-6)/.544/3-2   
16. Franklin and Marshall (MA/CC): .769 (20-6)/.536/3-4 
17. North Central (CE/CCIW): .692 (18-8)/.563/4-5   
18. Illinois Wesleyan (CE/CCIW): .731 (19-7)/.550/3-6 
19. Springfield (NE/NEWMAC): .692 (18-8)/.558/4-2 
20. Brockport (E/SUNYAC): .731/.529/3-3
21. LeTourneau (SO/ASC): .852 (23-4)/.511/2-2

2016-17 Season
1. Babson (NE/NEWMAC): .926/.574/4-1
2. Williams (NE/NESCAC): .731/.592/7-4   
3. Susquehanna (MA/LAND): .800/.556/4-4
4. UW-Whitewater (C/WIAC): .769/.567/3-5
5. Rochester (E/UAA): .840/.534/4-2
6. Amherst (NE/NESCAC): .708/.598/5-5
7. Tufts (NE/NESCAC): .769/.566/4-4
8. Wesleyan (NE/NESCAC): .760/.560/4-3
9. Whitworth (W/NWC): .852/.544/0-3
10. Salisbury (MA/CAC): .741/.546/3-4
11. New Jersey City (AT/NJAC): .750/.533/5-4
12. Hope (GL/MIAA): .800/.525/2-1
13. Cabrini (AT/CSAC): .760/.531/2-3
14. Emory (S/UAA): .720/.547/2-3
15. Skidmore (E/LL): .731/.527/6-1
16. St. Lawrence (E/LL): .769/.526/3-5
17. Augustana (C/CCIW): .704/.542/2-2
18. Keene State (NE/LEC): .679/.575/3-4
19. Endicott (NE/CCC): .786/.532/1-1
20. St. Thomas (W/MIAC): .731/.530/1-2
21. UW-Oshkosh: (C/WIAC): .630/.601/5-6

Pool C Bids: 2019/2018/2017 = Total
* Northeast: 4/4/7 = 15

* Central: 4/4/3 = 11

* Great Lakes: 3/2/2 = 7

* Mid Atlantic: 2/4/1 = 7

* West: 2/3/2 = 7

* East: 2/1/3 = 6

* Atlantic: 2/1/2 = 5

* South: 1/2/1 = 4

[89Pirate]

From the Top 25 scoreboard...

Whitworth Alumni 106
#20-Whitworth 104

Guess I gotta drop Whitworth from my ballot because they lost to the alums?

https://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/men/2019-20/top25?date=2019-12-07

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/stats/x1-alum.htm

https://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/schedule

Good to see George Valle still has it, leading the team with 21 points over a top 25 team. He is squarely in the All-Region discussion in the West.

The big question is what's happened to D3hoops National Player of the Year, Michael Taylor?  Only six points?

This is the other Micheal Taylor we had.  They did overlap I believe.  The one you are referring to didn't play in the game

It was a fun game to watch for sure.  Lots of great former Pirates going all the way back to the class of 2009 (Nakamura and Stockton).  Won by a hard fought contested lay-up by Dustin McConnell with .2 seconds on the clock.  The stat line for the Alumni was outstanding.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I believe the all-time D3 national title count by current region is:

Central = 21
Great Lakes = 7
Mid Atlantic = 4
Northeast = 4
East = 3
West = 3
Atlantic = 1
South = 1

When is the NCAA going to add the two additional regions?

If approved ... 2021-22 season.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The 2019-20 season started a month ago. Already there has been plenty to talk about with still three months of regular season basketball to be played. And just as things got rolling on the court, now is also a time when we see things slow down for finals and the holiday break.

On Monday's special edition of Hoopsville, Dave chats with a few teams who are off to pretty good starts in the opening month. Some maybe surprising and others with still plenty of questions to be asked.

How good is Baldwin Wallace women and how hard with the OAC be this season? Are the Edgewood women as good as their incredible 9-0 start leads one to believe? And Whitworth men technically have a new coach at the helm, but is this the same Pirates program we've gotten used to over the years?

Plus, we react to what should be brand new men's and women's Top 25 polls.

Guests Schedule (order subject to change):
- Cheri Harrer, No. 20 Baldwin Wallace women's coach
- Chaia Huff, Edgewood women's head coach
- Damion Jablonski, No. 20 Whitworth men's coach
- Bob Quillman, Top 25 Double-Take

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[smedindy]

Compared to the kibitzing in the football selection, basketball seems fairly straight forward. Win your league, or play well against good teams around you. (Obligatory NESCAC schedule bashing sold separately)

I don't think any region is really hurt in the selection. The pairings of course (insert diatribe on teams on islands in Texas and the West Coast)...

[Pat Coleman]

FWIW, comparing Massey to the D3hoops.com Top 25, Massey says...

https://www.masseyratings.com/cb2020/ncaa-d3/ratings

These teams are generally in the right spot in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (within 8 of Massey).
#1 Swarthmore (Massey #4)
#2 Emory (Massey #3)
#3 Wittenberg (Massey #11)
#5 St. Thomas (Massey #5)
#6 Nebraska Wesleyan (Massey #6)
#8 Marietta (Massey #9)
#9 Randolph-Macon (Massey #1)
#10 Wash U (Massey #18)
#11 UW-Platteville (Massey #7)
#13 UW-Oshkosh (Massey #14)
#15 Johns Hopkins (Massey #10)
#16 Guilford (Massey #21)
#18 Christopher Newport (Massey #25)
#20 Whitworth (Massey #20)

These teams are too high in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (Massey has 8+ lower...a difference of 20+ is highlighted).)
#4 Middlebury (Massey #19)
#7 Nichols (Massey #62)
#12 St. John's (Massey #36)
#14 Amherst (Massey #45)
#19 North Central (Massey #44)
#21 Carthage (Massey #30)
#22 WPI (Massey #48)
#25 Oswego State (Massey #113)

These teams are too low in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (Massey has 8+ higher...teams Massey has in top 25 and D3hoops does not are highlighted).
#17 Elmhurst (Massey #2)
#23 UW-La Crosse (Massey #12)
#24 Augustana (Massey #15)
(ORV) UW-Stevens Point (Massey #7)
(ORV) Colby (Massey #9)
(No Votes) Wheaton (Massey #16)
(ORV) Babson (Massey #17)
(ORV) Illinois Wesleyan (Massey #22)
(ORV) Mount Union (Massey #23)
(No Votes) Loras (Massey #24)

Know that I am catching up here after a few days, but this is apples and oranges -- you were comparing current Massey to week-old D3hoops. Of course there are big differences.

[KnightSlappy]

FWIW, comparing Massey to the D3hoops.com Top 25, Massey says...

https://www.masseyratings.com/cb2020/ncaa-d3/ratings

These teams are generally in the right spot in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (within 8 of Massey).
#1 Swarthmore (Massey #4)
#2 Emory (Massey #3)
#3 Wittenberg (Massey #11)
#5 St. Thomas (Massey #5)
#6 Nebraska Wesleyan (Massey #6)
#8 Marietta (Massey #9)
#9 Randolph-Macon (Massey #1)
#10 Wash U (Massey #18)
#11 UW-Platteville (Massey #7)
#13 UW-Oshkosh (Massey #14)
#15 Johns Hopkins (Massey #10)
#16 Guilford (Massey #21)
#18 Christopher Newport (Massey #25)
#20 Whitworth (Massey #20)

These teams are too high in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (Massey has 8+ lower...a difference of 20+ is highlighted).)
#4 Middlebury (Massey #19)
#7 Nichols (Massey #62)
#12 St. John's (Massey #36)
#14 Amherst (Massey #45)
#19 North Central (Massey #44)
#21 Carthage (Massey #30)
#22 WPI (Massey #48)
#25 Oswego State (Massey #113)

These teams are too low in the D3hoops.com Top 25 (Massey has 8+ higher...teams Massey has in top 25 and D3hoops does not are highlighted).
#17 Elmhurst (Massey #2)
#23 UW-La Crosse (Massey #12)
#24 Augustana (Massey #15)
(ORV) UW-Stevens Point (Massey #7)
(ORV) Colby (Massey #9)
(No Votes) Wheaton (Massey #16)
(ORV) Babson (Massey #17)
(ORV) Illinois Wesleyan (Massey #22)
(ORV) Mount Union (Massey #23)
(No Votes) Loras (Massey #24)

Know that I am catching up here after a few days, but this is apples and oranges -- you were comparing current Massey to week-old D3hoops. Of course there are big differences.

The solution is daily Top 25 voting! 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Don't make me hurt you, KnightSlappy.

[Titan Q]

Know that I am catching up here after a few days, but this is apples and oranges -- you were comparing current Massey to week-old D3hoops. Of course there are big differences.

Of course.  Relevant though on Sunday in thinking about potential changes to the poll coming the next day.

[PauldingLightUP]

'Tis the season for finals and holidays. The top two teams in the poll, who and I agree with what Dave said last night, have clearly separated some; will not play a game until the defending champions head to Atlanta to take on Emory two days before the new year. 18 days!