Top 25 talk

[Pat Coleman]

Interesting. So RPI, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is Rensselaer in the system, but WPI, Worcester Polytechnic Institute is WPI in the system? LOL. Ok...

I think its a pre-existing system.  It's not like Pat came up with it or anything.  I'm assuming its pulled over from the Presto system that assigns names to all the schools by some inscrutable process.

Yes, inscrutable, but Rensselaer is how RPI refers to itself.

https://www.rpi.edu/

[Gregory Sager]

Interesting. So RPI, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is Rensselaer in the system, but WPI, Worcester Polytechnic Institute is WPI in the system? LOL. Ok...

I think its a pre-existing system.  It's not like Pat came up with it or anything.  I'm assuming its pulled over from the Presto system that assigns names to all the schools by some inscrutable process.

The folks at Presto are clearly Dutchophiles and Anglophobes.

[Titan Q]

My conversation today with Illinois Wesleyan head coach Ron Rose, on practice eve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKmwQKO1cFA

0:00 Practice eve!
3:48 Fitness fanatics
6:15 Looking back at 2020-21
8:18 Recruiting class
10:23 Losing 4 key seniors
12:37 Matt Leritz, 6-7 F (All-American)
14:33 Pete Lambesis, 6-4 G/F
18:10 Luke Yoder, 6-1 PG
20:21 Cory Noe, 6-3 SG
22:04 Keondre Schumacher, 5-11 SG
23:58 Candidates for the open starting F spot
26:00 Ryan Sroka, 6-6 G
27:34 Crazy schedule/Yeshiva game
30:50 5th year players
32:53 Other elite Division III programs (Hope, Calvin, St. John's, Oshkosh)
35:00 Preseason rankings, expectations
38:55 Heading into practice #1
40:38 Final thoughts heading into the 2021-22 journey

[Greek Tragedy]

When is the preseason poll coming out?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

When is the preseason poll coming out?

I've been told today. Probably depends on whether all the voters met the deadline or if Pat has to track some ballots down. The first one is always a bit of a crap shoot.

[Pat Coleman]

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/10/preseason-mens-top-25

[BaboNation]

Stunned by Springfield's ORV (7).

But, hey, you never know.

[Pat Coleman]

Stunned by Springfield's ORV (7).

But, hey, you never know.

We had a voter or two -- coaches -- voting on last tournament's results. Normally I would challenge some of them and ask them to reconsider, but hell, this year is so up in the air that I decided who are we to say?

[BaboNation]

Stunned by Springfield's ORV (7).

But, hey, you never know.

We had a voter or two -- coaches -- voting on last tournament's results. Normally I would challenge some of them and ask them to reconsider, but hell, this year is so up in the air that I decided who are we to say?

I totally understand that and I meant no disrespect to voters, especially coaches who have lots more to focus on after a year or more in mothballs.

[Pat Coleman]

No worries -- I didn't take it as disrespect.

[SpringSt7]

Pat can you shine a little more light on the Top 25 panel selection process? I understand having coaches and legitimate media members is the most professional way to do it but it really does feel like year in and year out there are a lot of voters mailing it in for the preseason poll. Shouldn't this be avoidable with a panel of 25?

[Pat Coleman]

Pat can you shine a little more light on the Top 25 panel selection process? I understand having coaches and legitimate media members is the most professional way to do it but it really does feel like year in and year out there are a lot of voters mailing it in for the preseason poll. Shouldn't this be avoidable with a panel of 25?

I don't think there are "a lot of voters mailing it in" so ... I kind of reject your premise.

[SpringSt7]

It just looks like people copied last year's bracket into their poll. The ORV is a joke.

[Pat Coleman]

It just looks like people copied last year's bracket into their poll. The ORV is a joke.

I'm going to assume you're aware that some schools haven't played in 19 months. This year is going to be pretty crazy and unpredictable, so I'm not sure what order you want in the ORV.

Of the schools that did play, how many played anyone outside their conference?

What are you expecting voters to base their decisions on, exactly?

I'll hang up and listen.

[SpringSt7]

As someone with a NESCAC background for example---Middlebury lost basically their top 6 players, Colby graduated their top 2 shooters and Amherst lost their best wing and Hall of Fame coach. I actually think Amherst's ranking is fine and Colby's is a touch high but otherwise fine. My only point is that all of that information is publicly available and not a secret. I think if all of the voters just focused on who returned and who didn't that would be a much better system than "oh well COVID happened, I'll just do whatever!"

Again, my original question was how are the voters selected for the panel, because I'm under the impression that there are 25 voters and it seems like you could get better voters. Any interest in answering? I'll hang up and listen.