Top 25 talk

[WUPHF]

Should be worth watching

This is surely going to be among the Top 10 most streamed games of the season.

[nescac1]

When was the last time an undefeated number one team was an underdog at home?  Because I think it's fair to say that in Massey or just in general perception, Yeshiva is the underdog (albeit slight) in this one ...

[WUPHF]

When was the last time the No. 1 team had a Massey strength of schedule anywhere close to No. 401?  The scheduling challenges aside, this must be completely unprecedented.

For comparison, if you look at the final season rankings from 2019, you have to go to the 13th ranked team to find a SOS outside of 100 and to the 29th ranked team to find an SOS outside of 200 and that Nichols team (SOS 231) knocked off Amherst and Middlebury in the early season.

[nescac1]

Yeah, good point.  I imagine the strength of schedule will shoot up into the 200s after NJCU, IWU and Williams ... but then gradually fall back again (although not all the way to 401) during the rest of league play ... which obviously Yeshiva cannot control, so no one is blaming them for that. 

Likewise, I'm very curious to see what happens to Williams' SOS (currently a very unimpressive 316) after a much tougher upcoming stretch: 120, 13, 97, 5, 172, 96, 5, 95, plus a possible game vs. 124 W&L.  I imagine the Ephs' schedule will crack the top 100 following those games. 

Part of the problem is that some typically strong New England teams (Eastern Conn and Springfield) are having down years, hurting the SOS of teams that schedule them expecting a tough game (in this case, Yeshiva and Williams/Amherst). 

Amherst (not much better than Yeshiva at 381) will certainly benefit from league play, especially the four Wesleyan/Williams games, but man its SOS can only go so high with Lesley and Pratt (2 of the bottom 7 in D3) still left to play.  Does any other team have THREE sub-400 teams on its non-league schedule (Amherst also beat up on winless St. Elizabeth)? 

[BaboNation]

The Yeshiva run is somewhat reminiscent of Indiana State with Larry Bird, with Ryan T in the Bird role.  Not a perfect comparison by any means ... Bird had far less roster support, but the schedule wasn't demanding until tournament time.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Massey does show both a current SOS as well as a future SOS (using future opponents current record).  Looking at that Yeshiva goes from current 401 to future 384.  Amherst goes from current 381 to future 232.

[WUPHF]

Massey does show both a current SOS as well as a future SOS (using future opponents current record).  Looking at that Yeshiva goes from current 401 to future 384.  Amherst goes from current 381 to future 232.

+1 I have been looking at Massey for quite a long time and never noticed that. 

HAL 9000 does it all.

[nescac1]

Wow, thanks FDF, great tip!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Massey does show both a current SOS as well as a future SOS (using future opponents current record).  Looking at that Yeshiva goes from current 401 to future 384.  Amherst goes from current 381 to future 232.

+1 I have been looking at Massey for quite a long time and never noticed that. 

HAL 9000 does it all.

You just have to remember that future SOS changes, too, as those teams play more teams.  It's an estimate, at best, but it gives you an idea of how the schedule plays out going forward.

[WUPHF]

Right, right!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[Gregory Sager]

Massey does show both a current SOS as well as a future SOS (using future opponents current record).  Looking at that Yeshiva goes from current 401 to future 384.  Amherst goes from current 381 to future 232.

+1 I have been looking at Massey for quite a long time and never noticed that. 

HAL 9000 does it all.

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[PauldingLightUP]

FYI for Darryl and others. Dave said last night on Hoopsville that the next top 25 will be January 3rd. No, December 20th and 27th.

[Darryl Nester]

FYI for Darryl and others. Dave said last night on Hoopsville that the next top 25 will be January 3rd. No, December 20th and 27th.

Thanks. In my next update, I'll include the complete list of games until then.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Results from the past week, plus upcoming games through January 2 (when the next poll will take place).

Note there are quite a few incomplete results for today, but I don't plan to update this post.
Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	605	Yeshiva	14-0	won at New Jersey City, 93-86; 12/30 vs. #4 Illinois Wesleyan; 01/02 vs. #17 Williams
#2	603	Randolph-Macon	8-1	12/29 vs. Rosemont; 12/30 vs. TBD
#3	584	UW-Platteville	11-0	12/29 vs. Beloit; 12/30 vs. TBD
#4	517	Illinois Wesleyan	8-1	won at North Central (Ill.), 73-48; 12/19 at #15 Washington U.; 12/29 at Mount St. Vincent; 12/30 at #1 Yeshiva
#5	510	UW-Oshkosh	9-1	12/21 vs. St. Norbert; 12/29 vs. #29 Calvin; 12/30 vs. Ripon
#6	500	Wheaton (Ill.)	10-1	won at Olivet, 91-82; 12/29 vs. #36 Berry; 12/30 vs. Edgewood; 12/31 vs. TBD
#7	466	St. Joseph (Conn.)	8-0	12/28 vs. Transylvania; 12/29 vs. #8 Marietta
#8	396	Marietta	6-2	def. Otterbein, 87-62; NO CONTEST at John Carroll; 12/28 vs. Chicago; 12/29 vs. #7 St. Joseph (Conn.)
#9	373	UW-La Crosse	9-2	12/15 at St. Mary's (Minn.); won at Crown, 67-43; 12/30 vs. Bethel
#10	371	Roanoke	7-1	def. (n) #37 Wartburg, 70-66; 12/20 vs. Dubuque; 12/29 vs. Messiah; 12/30 vs. TBA
#11	355	Johns Hopkins	7-1	12/29 vs. Manhattanville; 12/30 vs. TBD
#12	341	Christopher Newport	9-2	won at Hampden-Sydney, 79-74; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 80-72; 12/20 vs. Washington and Lee; 12/21 at Catholic; 12/29 vs. Merchant Marine; 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 vs. Widener
#13	314	Whitworth	9-1	def. Schreiner, 88-70; 12/30 vs. UW-River Falls
#14	268	Elmhurst	9-2	def. Carroll, 85-78; 12/21 at Manchester; 12/29 vs. Lake Forest
#15	260	Washington U.	8-1	12/19 vs. #4 Illinois Wesleyan; 12/31 vs. Westminster (Mo.)
#16	221	Mount Union	8-1	won at Wilmington, 89-71; 12/29 vs. Geneva; 12/30 vs. Lycoming
#17	204	Williams	9-0	12/29 vs. York (Pa.); 12/30 vs. TBA; 01/02 at #1 Yeshiva
#18	189	Swarthmore	7-1	12/30 at Immaculata; 01/02 vs. Stevens
#19	173	Mary Hardin-Baylor	7-1	def. Texas-Dallas, 79-69; def. T#40 LeTourneau, 91-86 OT; 12/29 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 12/30 vs. St. Mary's (Minn.)
#20	145	Amherst	8-0	12/28 at SUNY-Old Westbury; 12/31 vs. Babson
#21	144	RPI	8-0	12/29 vs. Oswego State; 12/30 vs. TBA
#22	79	Heidelberg	9-1	won at Muskingum, 96-76; 12/21 at Oberlin
#23	75	Maryville (Tenn.)	9-1	def. (n) Ferrum, 84-47; won at Hampden-Sydney, 85-84; 12/28 vs. Pacific Lutheran; 12/29 vs. UC Santa Cruz
#24	71	DeSales	10-0	12/20 at Muhlenberg; 12/29 vs. Neumann; 12/30 vs. TBA
#25	68	Hardin-Simmons	10-1	def. University of the Ozarks, 77-49

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	43	Wesleyan	9-1	12/29 vs. Wilkes; 12/30 vs. TBA
#27	39	Lynchburg	7-2	won at William Peace, 92-60; 12/29 vs. Muskingum; 12/30 vs. Wooster or La Roche
#28	37	WPI	8-1	12/29 vs. Endicott; 12/30 at Salem State
#29	32	Calvin	5-2	12/21 vs. Texas Lutheran; 12/22 at #32 Trinity (Texas); 12/29 at #5 UW-Oshkosh; 12/30 vs. UW-Stout
#30	29	Trine	5-4	LOST at Anderson, 57-65; 12/20 vs. UW-Stevens Point; 12/30 vs. Concordia-Chicago
#31	23	Case Western Reserve	9-1	def. Kalamazoo, 94-74
#32	12	Trinity (Texas)	8-2	won at Austin, 89-80; LOST at Centenary (La.), 78-87; 12/21 vs. Alma; 12/22 vs. #29 Calvin
#33	11	Wooster	7-1	won at UC Santa Cruz, 80-71; 12/19 vs. Lewis and Clark; 12/29 vs. La Roche; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#34	10	Oswego	7-1	12/29 vs. #21 RPI; 12/30 vs. TBA
T#34	10	Rochester	7-2	01/02 at DePauw
#36	8	Berry	7-1	def. (n) Marywood, 79-46; 12/20 vs. Albright; 12/29 vs. #6 Wheaton (Ill.); 12/30 vs. Carthage
#37	7	Wartburg	9-2	LOST to (n) #10 Roanoke, 66-70; 12/20 vs. Baldwin Wallace
#38	6	Emory	4-3	12/29 vs. UW-Whitewater; 12/30 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 01/02 at Oglethorpe
#39	5	Cal Lutheran	8-2	def. Loras, 90-82; 12/28 vs. Northwestern (Minn.); 12/29 vs. Benedictine; 01/01 vs. Pomona-Pitzer
T#40	4	Brandeis	7-2	12/30 vs. Union
T#40	4	Chapman	8-1	12/19 vs. SUNY Oneonta; 12/28 vs. Bethesda University; 01/01 at Redlands
T#40	4	LeTourneau	8-1	LOST at #19 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 86-91 OT; 12/19 at Concordia (Texas); 01/01 at Austin
#43	3	Nazareth	6-1	12/29 vs. Edgewood; 12/30 vs. Carroll
T#44	2	Augsburg	7-2	LOST at UW-River Falls, 67-86; 12/19 vs. Stevenson; 12/19 vs. Rhodes; 12/20 vs. DePauw
T#44	2	Stockton	10-1	won at Rosemont, 69-66
T#44	2	Mary Washington	9-3	12/14 at Averett; LOST at Hampden-Sydney, 71-84; 12/19 vs. Ferrum; 12/29 vs. Goucher; 12/30 vs. TBA