Top 25 talk

[PoppersMacsLive]

Willlams starts 6'4" 6'6" 6'6" 6'8" 6'9"

The question mark for me with Yeshiva is how they handle WIAC/CCIW type size.  6-6 Leiffer is a great player...but is he big enough to handle the best D3 5s?  I don't know.

IWU's 6-7/235 All-American F Matt Leritz is not a Jack Flynn type (Matt is more of a 4)...but Leiffer vs Leritz will be really interesting on 12/30 in NYC.  And IWU will have a few more 6-7+ types in the low post rotation...I'm interested to see how Yeshiva handles that.

Thursday's game demonstrated what I've been wondering about.  I think Yeshiva matches up great with many Top 25 teams, but I think they would have challenges with the biggest, strongest, most physical teams - the top CCIW and WIAC teams, and WashU to name a few.  The Macs were physically dominated against IWU -- look no further than IWU's +20 rebounding margin.

YU will have to find a way to adjust to this style of play between now and March.

Are there any teams "out East" with any size? I mean, if Yeshiva has to adjust, they probably won't have to worry about a WIAC/CCIW team until the Final Four or the Elite 8 at the earliest.

[thebear]

Rochester, who is in the same NCAA region as Yeshiva, has been starting 6-8, 6-7, 6-5, 6-4, 6-3, waiting for the return of All American Ryan Algier who is 6-10.

But it's not just size, I know there are teams around that play like NJCU, who hung 58 points on Yeshiva in the second half. 
They don't have anyone over 6-4, and their point guard is 5-7 and his sub is 5-8. 

I think that there are lots of teams in Region 3 that can compete with Yeshiva. 

Turell is an excellent player, but I'd like to see what his team does against a quick athletic smothering defense like the kind Oswego State [56 ppg] plays.

I realize not being able to play on Friday nights and during the daylight hours on Saturday can be a scheduling problem, but there are certainly better choices from a strength of schedule perspective than #386 Brooklyn and #404 Medgar Evers if they really want to be recognized as a top team. 

For example, NYU [87], William Paterson [158] , Rensselaer [60] [you can take the train] all have solid Strength of Schedules.

[Titan Q]

Has anyone noticed that Massey hasn't updated in a while, since well before the new year?

It updated this am.

https://masseyratings.com/cb2022/ncaa-d3/ratings

[Titan Q]

My week 4 ballot.

https://twitter.com/IWUhoopscom/status/1477829630522449923?s=20

[SpringSt7]

Williams size as been discussed, WPI plays two bigs that are technically 6'4 and 6'8 but Lowther is a serious bruiser for his size---might be some PTSD from that NCAA blowout though. Wesleyan is another NESCAC school that could give them problems---they run some combo of 6'0/6'5/6'5/6'7/6'8 but they are always tough and physical. Plus Sam Peek is a 6'7 wing that would be really well suited to guarding Turell. Their only loss is to Williams so would be really nice if that game ever gets played.

Amherst doesn't run big but they don't run small either. Their centers max out at 6'7 but the wings are big and physical. Don't think they would dominate on the glass per se but they have a similar profile to IWU.

Yeshiva should really make an effort to schedule some good replacement games if possible because in 2019-20 when they were a 1 loss Skyline champ they got sent to Johns Hopkins as a 2/3 seed in the Macon region. The committee didn't reflect kindly on their SOS.

[PauldingLightUP]

By my count we are up to six public ballots for this weeks top 25. 24%.

[Greek Tragedy]

Teams also have to be willing to schedule Yeshiva. Has there been any cases where a team has said they were willing to schedule Yeshiva and got turned down? It takes two to tango.

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

By my count we are up to six public ballots for this weeks top 25. 24%.

I may post something tomorrow, but you aren't going to get more ballots than that.

Teams also have to be willing to schedule Yeshiva. Has there been any cases where a team has said they were willing to schedule Yeshiva and got turned down? It takes two to tango.

I don't know of any games that Yeshiva has turned down other than logistical issues (I know we tried to get a big game organized last year but there were challenges all sides couldn't get around. I am aware and I am told of several solid opponents that have turned Yeshiva down.

[toad22]

Teams also have to be willing to schedule Yeshiva. Has there been any cases where a team has said they were willing to schedule Yeshiva and got turned down? It takes two to tango.

I am told by a reliable source that a number of very good teams have said no to Yeshiva in the last several years.

[WUPHF]

For example, NYU [87], William Paterson [158] , Rensselaer [60] [you can take the train] all have solid Strength of Schedules.

NYU was a Top 250-300 school for the past few seasons and historically, they have long played a weak non-conference schedule.  Their schedule is as weak as they come and they lost to 3-6 Hobart.   But they look much better on paper this season. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

For example, NYU [87], William Paterson [158] , Rensselaer [60] [you can take the train] all have solid Strength of Schedules.

NYU was a Top 250-300 school for the past few seasons and historically, they have long played a weak non-conference schedule.  Their schedule is as weak as they come and they lost to 3-6 Hobart.   But they look much better on paper this season.

The issue for any school with deep tournament hopes is that Skyline SOS.  NESCAC and CCIW teams don't care, because their conference schedule gets them all the SOS they'll ever need - but for, say, a Centennial squad, where the sheer volume of conference games is going to keep the SOS down - you might be hurting your Pool C position or your hosting chances by putting Yeshiva on the schedule.  Is that worth risking a loss?

You can say you want to play the best all you want, but good teams have options for their non-conference schedule, especially on the east coast.  You can play the best and improve your SOS number, you might take that game instead.  It's not always as easy as just picking a date that works for both teams.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

For example, NYU [87], William Paterson [158] , Rensselaer [60] [you can take the train] all have solid Strength of Schedules.

NYU was a Top 250-300 school for the past few seasons and historically, they have long played a weak non-conference schedule.  Their schedule is as weak as they come and they lost to 3-6 Hobart.   But they look much better on paper this season.

The issue for any school with deep tournament hopes is that Skyline SOS.  NESCAC and CCIW teams don't care, because their conference schedule gets them all the SOS they'll ever need - but for, say, a Centennial squad, where the sheer volume of conference games is going to keep the SOS down - you might be hurting your Pool C position or your hosting chances by putting Yeshiva on the schedule.  Is that worth risking a loss?

You can say you want to play the best all you want, but good teams have options for their non-conference schedule, especially on the east coast.  You can play the best and improve your SOS number, you might take that game instead.  It's not always as easy as just picking a date that works for both teams.

eh... from what I know, Williams is about the only NESCAC that has said yes in recent years. NESCACs are as bad as NYU at times.

Centennials might play ... I don't think many of them would worry about the Skyline. Hell, look at a lot of their out of conference schedules ... they don't think about the SOS enough, I'd argue.

Others simply over think the WL component and don't want to take the potential loss. And they over think the SOS... Yeshiva would be 2/3s of the equation with the Skyline being 1/3. One game against Yeshiva with other strong or reasonable scheduling wouldn't hurt a team that badly. It might actually help or offset.

[deiscanton]

I just listened to the January 3, 2022 Hoopsville (Men's) Top 25 Double Take.  (Will Hoopsville ever have a Women's Top 25 Double Take?)

About the Chicago v Marietta game from Las Vegas, I just took a look at the 2nd half play by play sheet.

Marietta led by 8 at halftime, and built their lead to as high as 18 points with just under 10 minutes left to play in the game before Chicago cut Marietta's lead to 9 points (3 possessions.)   Chicago countered Marietta runs to keep you watching the live or archived stream, but never really got a possession with a chance to tie or take the lead in the second half.

WUPHF has Chicago only getting 5 wins in the UAA this season (assuming that the UAA gets a full schedule in)-- I was a little more generous, (you can usually depend on Chicago to get 7 to 9 UAA wins in a normal season), but even I don't think that Chicago will get 9 UAA victories this season.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

For example, NYU [87], William Paterson [158] , Rensselaer [60] [you can take the train] all have solid Strength of Schedules.

NYU was a Top 250-300 school for the past few seasons and historically, they have long played a weak non-conference schedule.  Their schedule is as weak as they come and they lost to 3-6 Hobart.   But they look much better on paper this season.

The issue for any school with deep tournament hopes is that Skyline SOS.  NESCAC and CCIW teams don't care, because their conference schedule gets them all the SOS they'll ever need - but for, say, a Centennial squad, where the sheer volume of conference games is going to keep the SOS down - you might be hurting your Pool C position or your hosting chances by putting Yeshiva on the schedule.  Is that worth risking a loss?

You can say you want to play the best all you want, but good teams have options for their non-conference schedule, especially on the east coast.  You can play the best and improve your SOS number, you might take that game instead.  It's not always as easy as just picking a date that works for both teams.

eh... from what I know, Williams is about the only NESCAC that has said yes in recent years. NESCACs are as bad as NYU at times.

Centennials might play ... I don't think many of them would worry about the Skyline. Hell, look at a lot of their out of conference schedules ... they don't think about the SOS enough, I'd argue.

Others simply over think the WL component and don't want to take the potential loss. And they over think the SOS... Yeshiva would be 2/3s of the equation with the Skyline being 1/3. One game against Yeshiva with other strong or reasonable scheduling wouldn't hurt a team that badly. It might actually help or offset.

It might help right now, but a potential 4-5 loss YU program that might be more of a reality post Turell and Leifer, that's a bit different.

Easy solution: just apply to the UAA. Problem solved.