Top 25 talk

[PoppersMacsLive]

Yeshiva and Saint Joseph will make up their games vs Top 25 opponents which were cancelled (Williams and Marietta respectively) by playing each other on 2/17 at 8PM. Game will be at Yeshiva.

[Titan Q]

Multiple wins against the current D3hoops.com MBB Top 25:
* Illinois Wesleyan = 3
* Marietta = 3
* UW-Platteville = 2
* Christopher Newport = 2


Most wins against the current Massey Top 50:
* Randolph Macon = 7
* Illinois Wesleyan = 6
* Christopher Newport =5
* Marietta = 5

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	618	Randolph-Macon	13-1	won at Shenandoah, 92-54; 01/22 at Ferrum
#2	606	UW-Platteville	16-1	LOST to #5 UW-Oshkosh, 67-83; 01/22 at UW-Stout
#3	564	Illinois Wesleyan	13-2	def. #12 Elmhurst, 80-76; won at North Park, 63-58; 01/22 at Carroll
#4	547	Washington U.	12-1	01/21 vs. New York University; 01/23 vs. Brandeis
#5	484	UW-Oshkosh	14-2	won at #2 UW-Platteville, 83-67; 01/22 vs. UW-River Falls
#6	483	Marietta	13-2	won at Capital, 81-69; 01/22 at Ohio Northern
#7	469	Yeshiva	14-1	IDLE
#8	449	St. Joseph (Conn.)	11-0	def. Lasell, 90-56; 01/20 at St. Joseph's (Maine); 01/22 at Rivier
#9	437	Christopher Newport	15-2	def. TCNJ, 89-52; 01/21 at UC Santa Cruz; 01/22 at UC Santa Cruz
#10	409	UW-La Crosse	14-2	won at UW-Whitewater, 79-61; 01/22 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#11	354	Swarthmore	15-1	won at Ursinus, 78-61; 01/22 at Dickinson
#12	296	Elmhurst	12-3	LOST at #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 76-80; won at Augustana, 86-66; 01/22 at #14 Wheaton (Ill.)
#13	290	Johns Hopkins	12-2	won at Franklin and Marshall, 77-60; 01/22 vs. Muhlenberg
#14	253	Wheaton (Ill.)	13-4	LOST at Millikin, 51-76; 01/22 vs. #12 Elmhurst
#15	243	Wesleyan	15-1	01/22 at T#36 Mass-Dartmouth
#16	241	Maryville (Tenn.)	13-1	won at Berea, 80-61; 01/23 at LaGrange
#17	219	Mount Union	12-2	def. Muskingum, 72-61; 01/22 at #21 Heidelberg
#18	169	Whitworth	13-2	def. Linfield, 90-43; def. Pacific, 88-72; 01/21 at Lewis and Clark; 01/22 at George Fox
#19	162	WPI	13-1	def. #40 Clark, 74-66; 01/22 at Wheaton (Mass.); 01/23 vs. Hamilton
#20	158	Williams	13-1	won at Amherst, 60-54; 01/22 vs. #28 Middlebury
#21	142	Heidelberg	12-2	won at Ohio Northern, 74-71; 01/22 vs. #17 Mount Union
#22	94	Mary Hardin-Baylor	12-2	01/20 at University of the Ozarks
#23	92	RPI	11-1	01/21 vs. Vassar; 01/22 vs. Skidmore
#24	76	Case Western Reserve	12-1	01/21 vs. #27 Emory; 01/23 vs. T#36 Rochester
#25	52	Oswego State	14-1	def. SUNY Geneseo, 88-63; 01/22 at Cortland

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	36	Augsburg	13-2	won at St. Scholastica, 84-63; 01/22 vs. Hamline
#27	33	Emory	9-4	01/21 at #24 Case Western Reserve; 01/23 at Carnegie Mellon
#28	29	Middlebury	13-2	won at Plymouth State, 76-68; 01/22 at #20 Williams
#29	28	Nazareth	14-1	won at Keuka, 108-71
#30	25	DeSales	15-1	def. Delaware Valley, 90-66; 01/22 at Arcadia
#31	19	LeTourneau	12-2	def. Texas-Dallas, 85-84; 01/20 at Howard Payne; 01/22 at Sul Ross State
T#32	11	Roanoke	10-4	def. Ferrum, 84-60; 01/20 at #34 Lynchburg; 01/22 vs. Hampden-Sydney
T#32	11	Berry	11-2	01/21 at Birmingham-Southern; 01/23 at Millsaps
#34	7	Lynchburg	8-4	01/20 vs. T#32 Roanoke; 01/22 vs. Eastern Mennonite
#35	6	Tufts	6-8	def. New England College, 79-53; 01/22 at Bates
T#36	4	Mass-Dartmouth	11-2	def. Mass-Boston, 88-58; won at Rhode Island College, 80-73 OT; 01/22 vs. #15 Wesleyan
T#36	4	Rochester	9-4	01/21 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/23 at #24 Case Western Reserve
T#38	2	Eastern	13-2	won at Lebanon Valley, 68-54; 01/22 at Messiah
T#38	2	Wabash	12-3	def. DePauw, 96-70
#40	1	Clark	14-2	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 84-70; LOST at #19 WPI, 66-74; 01/22 at Springfield

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Hoopsville is live on the air tonight starting at 7:00 PM ET.

We will have the following guests:

• Todd McGuinness, No. 24 Case Western Reserve men's coach
• Margaret White, Marymount women's coach
• Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Brendan Gulick and Scott Peterson
• Jason Leone, No. 25 Oswego State men's coach
• Rich Murphy, Redlands women's coach

Plus the latest from the NCAA Convention and much more.

It is a jam packed show! Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan20 - the show will be available on demand and the audio podcast will be available shortly after the show as well.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Almost Complete)

Berry at Millsaps (currently early second half) will be updated later.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	618	Randolph-Macon	14-1	won at Shenandoah, 92-54; won at Ferrum, 86-48
#2	606	UW-Platteville	17-1	LOST to #5 UW-Oshkosh, 67-83; won at UW-Stout, 74-72
#3	564	Illinois Wesleyan	14-2	def. #12 Elmhurst, 80-76; won at North Park, 63-58; won at Carroll, 72-54
#4	547	Washington U.	14-1	def. New York University, 97-61; def. Brandeis, 67-53
#5	484	UW-Oshkosh	15-2	won at #2 UW-Platteville, 83-67; def. UW-River Falls, 89-84
#6	483	Marietta	14-2	won at Capital, 81-69; won at Ohio Northern, 80-64
#7	469	Yeshiva	14-1	IDLE
#8	449	St. Joseph (Conn.)	13-0	def. Lasell, 90-56; won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 84-72; won at Rivier, 84-54
#9	437	Christopher Newport	17-2	def. TCNJ, 89-52; won at UC Santa Cruz, 85-62; won at UC Santa Cruz, 66-56
#10	409	UW-La Crosse	15-2	won at UW-Whitewater, 79-61; def. UW-Stevens Point, 64-44
#11	354	Swarthmore	15-2	won at Ursinus, 78-61; LOST at Dickinson, 48-52
#12	296	Elmhurst	12-4	LOST at #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 76-80; won at Augustana, 86-66; LOST at #14 Wheaton (Ill.), 83-84
#13	290	Johns Hopkins	13-2	won at Franklin and Marshall, 77-60; def. Muhlenberg, 83-63
#14	253	Wheaton (Ill.)	14-4	LOST at Millikin, 51-76; def. #12 Elmhurst, 84-83
#15	243	Wesleyan	15-2	LOST at T#36 Mass-Dartmouth, 94-104
#16	241	Maryville (Tenn.)	14-1	won at Berea, 80-61; won at LaGrange, 82-74
#17	219	Mount Union	13-2	def. Muskingum, 72-61; won at #21 Heidelberg, 82-56
#18	169	Whitworth	15-2	def. Linfield, 90-43; def. Pacific, 88-72; won at Lewis and Clark, 92-67; won at George Fox, 80-78
#19	162	WPI	15-1	def. #40 Clark, 74-66; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 80-77; def. Hamilton, 65-45
#20	158	Williams	14-1	won at Amherst, 60-54; def. #28 Middlebury, 78-53
#21	142	Heidelberg	12-3	won at Ohio Northern, 74-71; LOST to #17 Mount Union, 56-82
#22	94	Mary Hardin-Baylor	13-2	won at University of the Ozarks, 85-59
#23	92	RPI	12-2	LOST to Vassar, 56-73; def. Skidmore, 74-59
#24	76	Case Western Reserve	13-2	LOST to #27 Emory, 70-80; def. T#36 Rochester, 74-61
#25	52	Oswego State	15-1	def. SUNY Geneseo, 88-63; won at Cortland, 72-64

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	36	Augsburg	14-2	won at St. Scholastica, 84-63; def. Hamline, 79-69
#27	33	Emory	11-4	won at #24 Case Western Reserve, 80-70; won at Carnegie Mellon, 94-66
#28	29	Middlebury	13-3	won at Plymouth State, 76-68; LOST at #20 Williams, 53-78
#29	28	Nazareth	14-1	won at Keuka, 108-71
#30	25	DeSales	16-1	def. Delaware Valley, 90-66; won at Arcadia, 74-63
#31	19	LeTourneau	14-2	def. Texas-Dallas, 85-84; won at Howard Payne, 95-69; won at Sul Ross State, 98-96
T#32	11	Roanoke	12-4	def. Ferrum, 84-60; won at #34 Lynchburg, 71-54; def. Hampden-Sydney, 70-64
T#32	11	Berry	13-2	won at Birmingham-Southern, 77-74; won at Millsaps, 54-45
#34	7	Lynchburg	9-5	LOST to T#32 Roanoke, 54-71; def. Eastern Mennonite, 76-70
#35	6	Tufts	7-8	def. New England College, 79-53; won at Bates, 71-70
T#36	4	Mass-Dartmouth	12-2	def. Mass-Boston, 88-58; won at Rhode Island College, 80-73 OT; def. #15 Wesleyan, 104-94
T#36	4	Rochester	10-5	won at Carnegie Mellon, 71-60; LOST at #24 Case Western Reserve, 61-74
T#38	2	Eastern	13-3	won at Lebanon Valley, 68-54; LOST at Messiah, 73-83
T#38	2	Wabash	12-3	def. DePauw, 96-70
#40	1	Clark	14-3	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 84-70; LOST at #19 WPI, 66-74; LOST at Springfield, 70-82

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Hoopsville is airing at 1:00 PM today and for the next several shows (due to schedule conflicts).



Here is what we have on tap today in terms of guests:
- Jordan Olufson, Webster women's coach
- Meg Barber, #9 NYU women's coach
- Sean Foster, Salve Regina men's coach
- Raul Placeres, #16 Maryville men's coach
- Ryan Scott & Mike Rejniak, Men's Top 25 Double-Take

We will recap the NCAA Convention and hit on some other notes as well.

Again, starting at 1:00 PM ET today. Watch the show here (or On Demand if you missed it): www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan24

[WPI89]

What time is the new top 25 generally announced each week?

[PoppersMacsLive]

It is typically released between 5:30 and 7:30PM Eastern Time

What time is the new top 25 generally announced each week?

[nescac1]

Massey is far from perfect, but it's interesting to compare Massey ratings to the D3hoops top 25 to see which leagues the voters seems more fond of than statistical rankings suggest.

CCIW: 2, 18, and 19 in D3hoops, 8, 23 and 26 in Massey
NESCAC: 14 and 17 in D3hoops, 11 and 12 in Massey
MIAC:  zero votes (!) and 23 in D3hoops, 19 and 21 in Massey

Who knows whether the computers will end up being more on-target than the voters, but I do think this year, the top teams in NESCAC and MIAC have been just a bit underrated by the voters, and the top teams in CCIW, a bit consistently overrated, starting in the pre-season, I'd say (three in the top ten) - and as a result, the rankings of Wheaton and Elmhurst have arguably been a bit sticky.  CCIW just had a lot of players and teams who were known commodities based on last season, relative to some other teams who have performed really well despite maybe not playing at all last year.  I think Williams and Wesleyan are a bit under-rated relative to their results since both of them started the season (fairly) so far under the radar and have relied heavily on some new faces.  MIAC, I think, has slipped too much from the attention of voters because of St. Thomas's absence ...

[SpringSt7]

It is fascinating---I totally understand with the pandemic and the fact that we saw some teams last year and some teams didn't play at all, but when was the last time the highest ranked NESCAC team was 14-1 and ranked 14th? That would be an automatic top 5 in just about any other year.

[nescac1]

I do think the top 10 is VERY stacked this year, tough for anyone to break into that group, those teams are going to have to start dropping games for anyone to move ahead of them.  But I can't really understand how Williams (and not just Williams, a bunch of teams) is behind Hopkins and Maryville.  Hopkins has two losses and ZERO wins against teams in the Massey top 100.  (Williams has four, including #12).  Maryville has the same record as Williams, and only one really good win (a one point win over Hampden Sydney, certainly nowhere near as impressive as wider margin over a better Wesleyan team).  1 through 11, I can't really complain about any of those teams, they have very strong resumes and except for undefeated St. Joe's have played very tough schedules.  I think Williams, WPI and Wesleyan all have stronger resumes than either Hopkins or Maryville ...

[Pat Coleman]

Massey is far from perfect, but it's interesting to compare Massey ratings to the D3hoops top 25 to see which leagues the voters seems more fond of than statistical rankings suggest.

CCIW: 2, 18, and 19 in D3hoops, 8, 23 and 26 in Massey
NESCAC: 14 and 17 in D3hoops, 11 and 12 in Massey
MIAC:  zero votes (!) and 23 in D3hoops, 19 and 21 in Massey

Who knows whether the computers will end up being more on-target than the voters, but I do think this year, the top teams in NESCAC and MIAC have been just a bit underrated by the voters, and the top teams in CCIW, a bit consistently overrated, starting in the pre-season, I'd say (three in the top ten) - and as a result, the rankings of Wheaton and Elmhurst have arguably been a bit sticky.  CCIW just had a lot of players and teams who were known commodities based on last season, relative to some other teams who have performed really well despite maybe not playing at all last year.  I think Williams and Wesleyan are a bit under-rated relative to their results since both of them started the season (fairly) so far under the radar and have relied heavily on some new faces.  MIAC, I think, has slipped too much from the attention of voters because of St. Thomas's absence ...

Massey has always rated the WIAC and MIAC schools quite highly. We don't usually quibble with the WIAC rankings, but the MIAC teams generally seem a little more highly ranked than I at least personally would like.

Best non-conference win for St. John's, River Falls? Sixth place in the WIAC. In previous years, not sure the third-best team in the MIAC gets a lot of votes and rarely ranked. I'm not too upset about SJU not being ranked but sure, they could get some votes somewhere.

[CNU85]

somebody thinks highly of CNU.

[WPI89]

It is typically released between 5:30 and 7:30PM Eastern Time

What time is the new top 25 generally announced each week?

Thanks!

[Titan Q]

Schools with multiple wins vs the Week 7 Top 25:

* Illinois Wesleyan = 3
* Christopher Newport = 2
* Marietta = 2
* RMC = 2
* UW-Oshkosh = 2
* UW-Platteville = 2
* WashU = 2
* Wheaton = 2