Top 25 talk

[CNU85]

Interesting new poll.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Randolph-Macon	18-1	won at Randolph, 77-43; 02/03 vs. Guilford; 02/05 vs. Roanoke
#2	592	UW-Platteville	18-2	LOST at #5 UW-Oshkosh, 51-65; 02/05 at UW-Stevens Point
#3	567	Marietta	17-2	def. Muskingum, 84-64; 02/05 vs. John Carroll
#4	502	Christopher Newport	19-2	won at Salisbury, 62-55
#5	492	UW-Oshkosh	16-3	def. #2 UW-Platteville, 65-51; 02/05 vs. UW-Stout
#6	479	Yeshiva	17-1	def. Merchant Marine, 82-66; 02/03 at Sarah Lawrence; 02/05 vs. Farmingdale State
#7	478	St. Joseph (Conn.)	17-0	def. Dean, 89-73; 02/05 vs. Albertus Magnus; 02/07 at Albertus Magnus
#8	420	UW-La Crosse	17-3	def. UW-Whitewater, 80-68; 02/05 vs. UW-Eau Claire
#9	394	Washington U.	14-3	02/04 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 02/06 vs. #23 Case Western Reserve
#10	393	Illinois Wesleyan	15-4	02/05 vs. Carthage; 02/07 vs. North Park
#11	381	Mount Union	17-2	won at Baldwin Wallace, 94-71; 02/05 vs. Wilmington
#12	365	Maryville (Tenn.)	16-1	02/05 at Huntingdon
#13	302	Williams	14-1	02/04 vs. #26 Wesleyan
#14	279	Whitworth	16-2	02/04 at Linfield; 02/05 at Pacific
#15	238	Wheaton (Ill.)	17-4	won at Augustana, 74-63
#16	195	Swarthmore	17-3	won at Washington College, 65-56; 02/05 at Franklin and Marshall
#17	190	Oswego State	18-1	02/04 vs. SUNY Potsdam; 02/05 vs. Plattsburgh State
#18	180	Mary Hardin-Baylor	15-2	02/03 at #35 LeTourneau; 02/05 at Texas-Dallas
#19	163	Johns Hopkins	15-3	won at McDaniel, 81-40; 02/05 vs. Haverford
#20	138	Emory	13-4	02/04 at Brandeis; 02/06 at New York University
#21	136	Elmhurst	15-5	02/05 vs. North Central (Ill.); 02/07 at Carroll
#22	122	Augsburg	14-2	02/05 vs. St. Olaf; 02/07 vs. Gustavus Adolphus
#23	105	Case Western Reserve	15-2	02/04 at Chicago; 02/06 at #9 Washington U.
#24	102	WPI	17-2	def. Emerson, 76-47; 02/05 at Babson
#25	84	Nazareth	17-1	def. Elmira, 81-71; 02/04 vs. Sage; 02/05 vs. Hartwick

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	50	Wesleyan	17-3	02/04 at #13 Williams; 02/05 at #31 Middlebury
#27	48	Mass-Dartmouth	16-2	won at Mass-Boston, 77-62; 02/05 vs. Southern Maine; 02/06 at Southern Maine
#28	28	Heidelberg	15-3	won at John Carroll, 76-74; 02/05 vs. Muskingum
#29	25	Wabash	15-3	02/05 vs. Allegheny; 02/06 vs. Hiram
#30	22	Berry	15-2	02/04 vs. Rhodes; 02/06 vs. Hendrix
#31	9	Middlebury	15-3	02/05 vs. #26 Wesleyan
#32	5	Amherst	13-6	02/04 vs. Bowdoin; 02/05 vs. Colby; 02/07 vs. Emmanuel
T#33	4	Chapman	14-2	won at Pomona-Pitzer, 79-70; 02/05 vs. Redlands; 02/07 at Whittier
T#33	4	DeSales	18-2	def. Stevens, 63-51; 02/05 vs. FDU-Florham; 02/07 at Stockton
#35	3	LeTourneau	15-3	02/03 vs. #18 Mary Hardin-Baylor; 02/05 vs. Concordia (Texas)
#36	2	Hanover	15-3	LOST at Anderson, 71-91; 02/05 vs. Earlham
T#37	1	RPI	15-3	LOST at Union, 67-69; 02/04 at Skidmore; 02/05 at Vassar
T#37	1	St. John's	16-3	def. Bethel, 72-51; 02/05 vs. Macalester; 02/07 vs. Hamline
T#37	1	Trinity (Texas)	16-3	02/05 vs. Centenary (La.); 02/06 vs. Austin

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Hoopsville Marathon is here!



The show is hitting the air at 12:00 PM ET and going for at least NINE hours for the 8th Annual Hoopsville Marathon Show.

Show link: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/marathon

This year's show featured coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and many others around Division III who gave us a sense of the season to date and what is to come. There is only a month or so left in the regular season, so there was plenty to talk about.

The marathon is also a chance to celebrate the final month of the Division III basketball regular season.

Guests include (in order of appearance, subject to change):

• Conner Delaney, Johns Hopkins men's senior
• Frank Marcinek, Susquehanna men's coach
• Dan Krikorian, Chapman men's coach and Co-Host of "Slappin' Glass" podcast
• Minority Coaches Panel:
  
• • Larry Anderson (MIT men's coach)
  • Kam Gissendanner (La Roche women's coach)
  • Jason Harris (UMass-Boston men's coach)
  • Gary Stewart (Stevenson men's coach)
• Gary Stewart, Stevenson men's coach and NABC Board member
• National Committee Chairs:
  
• • Michael Schauer, Wheaton men's coach and men's committee chair
  • Megan Wilson, Luther Associate AD and women's committee chair
• Dan Kenny, John Jay men's sophomore and volunteer firefighter
• Cameron Hill, Trinity (Texas) women's coach
• Stephen Gabel, Nazareth men's senior
• State of DIII with Louise McCleary, Interim Vice President for Division III
• Jim Haney, Division III Men's Officiating Coordinator
• Fred Roggin, NBC4 LA Sports Anchor and AM570 LA Sports Host
• Top 25 Women's Double-Take with Gordon Mann and Scott Peterson
• "Happy Hour" with friends of Hoopsville and D3 basketball

[deiscanton]

Yeshiva lost at home in a Skyline Conference game to Farmingdale State a few hours ago.      Well, on any given night......

Now, especially because they lost a conference game in a league that they were expected to dominate, the Macs have to win the Skyline AQ to make it to the NCAA DIII tournament.

I will be interested in hearing what Farmingdale State did to win this game.  Watching some of the replay now.

3:10 AM Eastern update (2/6/2022)-- Listening to the replay of halftime comments from Jack Turrell on MacsLive right now.  Yeshiva not mentally focused on defense in the first half vs Farmingdale State-- (My reaction to this comment-- Farmingdale State is the historic conference archrival of the Maccabees, and Yeshiva was not ready to play them!  What shnooks the Macs must be!

I am glad that I am not a Top 25 voter-- I would not even give the Macs a Top 25 vote this week based on this sorry first half performance.   Farmingdale State outrebounded Yeshiva 29-24 on the boards and shot over 50% for the game?  At Max Stern Athletic Center?  Give me a break!  Any top UAA team would have crushed Yeshiva by 30 at halftime last night given that first half performance that the Macs put on.)

4 AM Eastern update (2/6/2022)-- Yeshiva got into prime form in the final 10 minutes of the game, and actually took a 1 pt lead with a minute left.  However, a top 25 team is ready to play from minute 1 of the game, not minute 30.    Too many flops from the Maccabees as well, the ref should have given Yeshiva a few technical fouls last night for diving.

Congrats to Farmingdale State on the win.

[WUPHF]

I watched minutes here and there in the game last night as well as a few minutes of the Illinois Wesleyan and Washington College games, so I know next to nothing about Yeshiva.

But, I have to think that the hype was getting to them.

This has to be the most hyped Division III team of all time by a factor of 10 if you adjust for the strength of schedule.

Maybe they can finally stop thinking about the national media coverage and the pressure that may come with playing for a people, being role models, and all the other perfectly laudable goals they talk about in the media profiles and focus on playing for each other.

[Gregory Sager]

3:10 AM Eastern update (2/6/2022)-- Listening to the replay of halftime comments from Jack Turrell on MacsLive right now.  Yeshiva not mentally focused on defense in the first half vs Farmingdale State-- (My reaction to this comment-- Farmingdale State is the historic conference archrival of the Maccabees, and Yeshiva was not ready to play them!  What shnooks the Macs must be!

And here I was going to ask you, Allen, if the Macs were the shlemiel or the shlimazel in this instance ... and you came up with option C.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Three games to be edited in later.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	625	Randolph-Macon	20-1	won at Randolph, 77-43; def. Guilford, 60-56; def. Roanoke, 72-67
#2	592	UW-Platteville	19-2	LOST at #5 UW-Oshkosh, 51-65; won at UW-Stevens Point, 72-58
#3	567	Marietta	18-2	def. Muskingum, 84-64; def. John Carroll, 88-74
#4	502	Christopher Newport	19-2	won at Salisbury, 62-55
#5	492	UW-Oshkosh	17-3	def. #2 UW-Platteville, 65-51; def. UW-Stout, 84-57
#6	479	Yeshiva	18-2	def. Merchant Marine, 82-66; won at Sarah Lawrence, 96-45; LOST to Farmingdale State, 75-79
#7	478	St. Joseph (Conn.)	18-0	def. Dean, 89-73; def. Albertus Magnus, 80-51
#8	420	UW-La Crosse	18-3	def. UW-Whitewater, 80-68; def. UW-Eau Claire, 73-64
#9	394	Washington U.	15-3	def. #23 Case Western Reserve, 76-68
#10	393	Illinois Wesleyan	16-4	def. Carthage, 66-57
#11	381	Mount Union	18-2	won at Baldwin Wallace, 94-71; def. Wilmington, 84-65
#12	365	Maryville (Tenn.)	17-1	won at Huntingdon, 95-80
#13	302	Williams	14-1	01/31 vs. TCNJ canceled
#14	279	Whitworth	17-3	LOST at Linfield, 65-71; won at Pacific, 71-58
#15	238	Wheaton (Ill.)	17-4	won at Augustana, 74-63
#16	195	Swarthmore	18-3	won at Washington College, 65-56; won at Franklin and Marshall, 100-69
#17	190	Oswego State	20-1	def. SUNY Potsdam, 85-58; def. Plattsburgh State, 103-61
#18	180	Mary Hardin-Baylor	16-2	won at Texas-Dallas, 85-72
#19	163	Johns Hopkins	16-3	won at McDaniel, 81-40; def. Haverford, 71-47
#20	138	Emory	15-4	won at Brandeis, 86-80 OT; won at New York University, 91-74
#21	136	Elmhurst	16-5	def. Carthage, 88-74; def. North Central (Ill.), 86-67
#22	122	Augsburg	14-3	LOST to St. Olaf, 73-77
#23	105	Case Western Reserve	16-3	won at Chicago, 93-77; LOST at #9 Washington U., 68-76
#24	102	WPI	18-2	def. Emerson, 76-47; won at Babson, 83-64
#25	84	Nazareth	19-1	def. Elmira, 81-71; def. Sage, 93-72; def. Hartwick, 80-66

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	50	Wesleyan	18-3	won at #31 Middlebury, 83-67
#27	48	Mass-Dartmouth	18-2	won at Keene State, 76-60; won at Mass-Boston, 77-62; def. Southern Maine, 96-57; won at Southern Maine, 93-55
#28	28	Heidelberg	16-3	won at John Carroll, 76-74; def. Muskingum, 75-66
#29	25	Wabash	17-3	def. Allegheny, 104-89; def. Hiram, 103-83
#30	22	Berry	17-2	def. Rhodes, 73-58; def. Hendrix, 59-50
#31	9	Middlebury	15-4	LOST to #26 Wesleyan, 67-83
#32	5	Amherst	15-6	def. Colby, 74-60; def. Bowdoin, 68-56
T#33	4	Chapman	15-2	won at Pomona-Pitzer, 79-70; def. Redlands, 84-76
T#33	4	DeSales	19-2	def. Stevens, 63-51; def. FDU-Florham, 88-53
#35	3	LeTourneau	16-3	def. Concordia (Texas), 85-71
#36	2	Hanover	16-3	LOST at Anderson, 71-91; def. Earlham, 85-75
T#37	1	RPI	16-4	LOST at Union, 67-69; LOST at Skidmore, 65-71 OT; won at Vassar, 60-57
T#37	1	St. John's	17-3	def. Bethel, 72-51; def. Macalester, 59-45
T#37	1	Trinity (Texas)	18-3	def. Centenary (La.), 92-73; def. Austin, 78-69

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Interesting to me how these two teams are being treated in their respective rankings:

Team A: 18-2 (17-2 vs D3), best win vs Massey 103, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 305
Team B: 17-0 (14-0 vs D3), best win vs Massey 84, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 253

Team A is of course Yeshiva MBB - currently ranked #6 but will no doubt fall in the next ranking due to their recent loss to Massey 196. 

Team B is the Webster WBB team - has not had a single vote this entire season.

Yes, I get that MBB and WBB are two different worlds so to speak, just seems pretty interesting to me...

[Pat Coleman]

Interesting to me how these two teams are being treated in their respective rankings:

Team A: 18-2 (17-2 vs D3), best win vs Massey 103, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 305
Team B: 17-0 (14-0 vs D3), best win vs Massey 84, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 253

Team A is of course Yeshiva MBB - currently ranked #6 but will no doubt fall in the next ranking due to their recent loss to Massey 196. 

Team B is the Webster WBB team - has not had a single vote this entire season.

Yes, I get that MBB and WBB are two different worlds so to speak, just seems pretty interesting to me...

They are quite different worlds.

[sac]

I get some strong Albertus Magnus circa 2015 vibes from Yeshiva.

[Gregory Sager]

Good call. Albertus Magnus didn't get out of the first weekend of D3 tourney play that season.

I was thinking the other day that the poll voters should probably be treating Yeshiva more like how they treated Lancaster Bible in 2015-16. LBC was undefeated going into the tourney, but the voters had refused to rank the Chargers any higher than #14. The Chargers ended up bowing out in the opening round by 13 to Wooster on Catholic's home floor in the nation's capital.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Interesting to me how these two teams are being treated in their respective rankings:

Team A: 18-2 (17-2 vs D3), best win vs Massey 103, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 305
Team B: 17-0 (14-0 vs D3), best win vs Massey 84, Avg Massey ranking of D3 wins 253

Team A is of course Yeshiva MBB - currently ranked #6 but will no doubt fall in the next ranking due to their recent loss to Massey 196. 

Team B is the Webster WBB team - has not had a single vote this entire season.

Yes, I get that MBB and WBB are two different worlds so to speak, just seems pretty interesting to me...

They are quite different worlds.

Indeed they are - which I was I was merely interested at the difference.

[WUPHF]

I was thinking the other day that the poll voters should probably be treating Yeshiva more like how they treated Lancaster Bible in 2015-16. LBC was undefeated going into the tourney, but the voters had refused to rank the Chargers any higher than #14. The Chargers ended up bowing out in the opening round by 13 to Wooster on Catholic's home floor in the nation's capital.

This does not change your point (one that I agree with), but that was a great Wooster team that caught fire in the tournament before getting beat by a great Christopher Newport in the Elite Eight, a team that knocked off the last great NYU team...

Incidentally, I can still picture the Christopher Newport fan who had the big sign of a stylized Donald Trump and would hold it up when the opposing team was shooting free throws.  Probably the most unique free-throw distraction technique I have ever seen.

[Pat Coleman]

That Wooster team which lost to Denison in the NCAC final, lost to Hiram a couple weeks earlier? Great Wooster teams typically get home court, and this team was 21-7 entering the playoffs.

[Greek Tragedy]

I was thinking the other day that the poll voters should probably be treating Yeshiva more like how they treated Lancaster Bible in 2015-16. LBC was undefeated going into the tourney, but the voters had refused to rank the Chargers any higher than #14. The Chargers ended up bowing out in the opening round by 13 to Wooster on Catholic's home floor in the nation's capital.

This does not change your point (one that I agree with), but that was a great Wooster team that caught fire in the tournament before getting beat by a great Christopher Newport in the Elite Eight, a team that knocked off the last great NYU team...

Incidentally, I can still picture the Christopher Newport fan who had the big sign of a stylized Donald Trump and would hold it up when the opposing team was shooting free throws.  Probably the most unique free-throw distraction technique I have ever seen.

A lot of great teams that year, apparently.