Top 25 talk

[hotdawg]

The preseason Top 25 is supposed to come out today but I've been tracking a projected poll based on individual voters revealing their ballots. Seven voters have done that so far, so here is a look at the top 25 based on those ballots only: https://twitter.com/d3datacast/status/1585270025589604353

I can say going deeper in the data, Hanover has not been one of the 41 different schools to be named on at least one ballot.

Interesting, well it looks like they may get a chance to make a statement vs a Top25 when they play at Wheaton November 18th.

[ziggy]

Preseason Top 25 has been announced: https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2022-23/preseason

[Greek Tragedy]

https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/10/mens-poll-released

[CNU85]

https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/10/mens-poll-released

Maybe it's just me, but even with 8 Seniors returning (3 are 5th yr guys) and a returning All-American, I'm still a little uneasy. We don't have Aigner shooting from beyond the 3 and we don't have Peterson who was a D2 transfer that really changed how CNU looked. We lost a lot of leadership.

We do have a D2 transfer from USC-Aiken and a transfer who was AMCC co-player of the year last year from Medaille. It's obviously way to early to tell if they will have a significant impact.

Let the games begin. Let's see what happens.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/10/mens-poll-released

Maybe it's just me, but even with 8 Seniors returning (3 are 5th yr guys) and a returning All-American, I'm still a little uneasy. We don't have Aigner shooting from beyond the 3 and we don't have Peterson who was a D2 transfer that really changed how CNU looked. We lost a lot of leadership.

We do have a D2 transfer from USC-Aiken and a transfer who was AMCC co-player of the year last year from Medaille. It's obviously way to early to tell if they will have a significant impact.

Let the games begin. Let's see what happens.

I think, for a lot of voters, it's a long track record of what Coach K can do with even a mildly talented team. This is 85-90% of one of his most talented ever.

[Greek Tragedy]

Yeah. I feel for you, CNU85. Must  be rough to only bring back Anderson, Hines, Barber and Henderson, not to mention Graves coming in, among others. I suppose it could be worse like losing 4 starters, something Marietta and IWU are going through...and they're still ranked. I have no doubt you'll pull through these "uneasy" times for CNU. It could be a long season for you guys...as in, you may play 32 or 33 games! 

[CNU85]

Yeah. I feel for you, CNU85. Must  be rough to only bring back Anderson, Hines, Barber and Henderson, not to mention Graves coming in, among others. I suppose it could be worse like losing 4 starters, something Marietta and IWU are going through...and they're still ranked. I have no doubt you'll pull through these "uneasy" times for CNU. It could be a long season for you guys...as in, you may play 32 or 33 games! 

I just don't want to get over confident!

[Greek Tragedy]

If you want to start with low confidence, you can cheer on my Pointers with me. They were 4-17 last year.

[CNU85]

I will cheer loudly for them. I predict a better record this year.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Heck of an opening game for the D3 season. Big crowd, WPI band keeping everyone hype even at 1:30am.

#8 WPI led most of the way but Worcester St kept it within reach and took the lead in the final minute. WPI responds with a layup for a 71-70 lead with 21 seconds left.
After an offensive foul, John Adams left wide open (how do you not notice the big man?) on the inbound and gets an easy layup with 3.6 on the clock. 73-70
WPI opts for the foul up 3 with 1.2 left. WSU hits the first FT, missed the second but WPI gets the rebound and wins 73-71.

Hopefully this is a sign of how exciting the season will be

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

This lists games through Sunday, 11/26 (after which, I assume, we'll have the first in-season poll). Note: report split into two posts because of character limits.

edit[11/20]: Oops, this is through Saturday, 11/26, so next Sunday's games are not included here ...

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	593	Randolph-Macon	2-1	def. (n) Mary Baldwin, 71-49; won at Hood, 80-78 3OT; LOST at Mary Washington, 52-58; 11/19 vs. #43 Hampden-Sydney
#2	559	Mary Hardin-Baylor	2-1	LOST at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 70-81; won at Redlands, 92-82; won at #12 Pomona-Pitzer, 84-71
#3	556	UW-Oshkosh	2-1	def. Lawrence, 76-63; LOST at #39 Calvin, 56-59; won at #29 Hope, 67-56; 11/18 vs. #13 St. Joseph (Conn.); 11/19 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan; 11/22 vs. Edgewood; 11/26 vs. #21 Illinois Wesleyan
#4	551	Christopher Newport	2-0	won at #10 Johns Hopkins, 74-61; def. Lynchburg, 96-64; 11/18 vs. Washington and Lee; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/22 vs. Methodist; 11/26 vs. Sarah Lawrence
#5	478	Oswego State	3-0	def. (n) Hobart, 65-53; won at Eastern Connecticut, 60-50; won at Clarkson, 94-69; 11/22 at T#53 Nazareth
#6	423	Williams	1-0	won at Worcester State, 79-60; 11/18 vs. Clarks Summit; 11/19 vs. SUNY Delhi; 11/22 at Massachusetts College
#7	383	Mount Union	2-0	def. #31 Whitworth, 84-74; def. T#50 Maryville (Tenn.), 99-75; 11/17 at Penn State-Behrend; 11/18 vs. Juniata; 11/23 at T#32 Wooster
#8	363	WPI	2-0	def. Worcester State, 73-71; def. Rutgers-Newark, 57-39; 11/18 vs. Maine-Farmington; 11/20 at Emmanuel; 11/22 vs. Fitchburg State
#9	293	Stockton	3-0	won at Baruch, 69-60; won at #59 Penn State-Harrisburg, 72-69; won at DeSales, 73-70 OT; 11/22 vs. T#32 Rowan; 11/26 vs. Widener
#10	284	Johns Hopkins	2-1	LOST to #4 Christopher Newport, 61-74; won at Salisbury, 67-53; def. York (Pa.), 82-63; 11/19 at Lycoming; 11/22 at Gettysburg
#11	275	Rochester	3-0	won at SUNY Geneseo, 79-62; def. Texas-Dallas, 79-69; def. #18 Trinity (Texas), 78-63; 11/17 vs. T#60 St. John Fisher; 11/19 vs. T#53 Nazareth; 11/22 at Hobart
#12	274	Pomona-Pitzer	0-2	LOST to Vanguard, 66-82; LOST to #2 Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-84; 11/19 vs. Bethesda; 11/22 at Master's; 11/25 vs. UC Santa Cruz; 11/26 vs. Puget Sound
#13	272	St. Joseph (Conn.)	2-0	def. #40 Yeshiva, 69-60; def. #37 Babson, 77-56; 11/18 vs. #3 UW-Oshkosh; 11/19 vs. #21 Illinois Wesleyan
#14	261	Middlebury	0-0	11/18 at Westfield State; 11/19 vs. #42 Nichols; 11/22 at NVU-Johnson
#15	253	UW-La Crosse	3-0	def. #25 St. John's, 84-80; won at #17 Marietta, 83-75; def. (n) Guilford, 74-68; 11/18 vs. Cornell; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/22 vs. Ripon
#16	229	Washington U.	2-1	def. Blackburn, 96-67; LOST at #26 Wabash, 67-70; won at Webster, 53-52; 11/22 vs. Millikin
#17	203	Marietta	1-1	LOST to #15 UW-La Crosse, 75-83; def. La Roche, 83-73; 11/18 at #26 Wabash; 11/19 vs. T#34 Keene State
#18	194	Trinity (Texas)	1-1	def. (n) Fredonia, 83-48; LOST at #11 Rochester, 63-78; 11/19 vs. Hamilton; 11/20 vs. T#56 LeTourneau; 11/23 at Sul Ross State; 11/25 vs. McMurry; 11/26 vs. T#46 Hardin-Simmons
#19	155	Case Western Reserve	4-0	def. Denison, 78-72; def. Oberlin, 78-66; def. Dickinson, 71-60; def. La Roche, 88-81; 11/18 at Buffalo State postponed; 11/19 vs. Medaille postponed
#20	147	RPI	3-0	def. (n) SUNY Potsdam, 65-53; won at Hilbert, 99-76; def. SUNY Delhi, 80-65; 11/18 vs. Centenary (N.J.); 11/19 vs. TBD
#21	128	Illinois Wesleyan	1-1	def. #40 Yeshiva, 76-71; LOST to UW-Stevens Point, 67-71; 11/18 vs. Nebraska Wesleyan; 11/19 vs. #13 St. Joseph (Conn.); 11/26 at #3 UW-Oshkosh
#22	121	Wesleyan	1-1	def. (n) Haverford, 83-74 OT; LOST at #28 Swarthmore, 61-79; 11/19 vs. T#32 Rowan; 11/22 at Emmanuel; 11/26 vs. Farmingdale State
#23	120	Elmhurst	3-0	def. Transylvania, 97-68; won at Alma, 110-74; won at Marian, 86-68; 11/19 at Buena Vista; 11/22 vs. Manchester
#24	106	Wheaton (Ill.)	2-0	won at Benedictine, 84-68; def. Transylvania, 82-63; 11/18 vs. T#60 Hanover; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/22 at Lake Forest; 11/26 vs. Chicago
#25	104	St. John's	2-1	LOST at #15 UW-La Crosse, 80-84; def. UW-Eau Claire, 71-70 2OT; def. Buena Vista, 67-57; 11/19 at St. Olaf; 11/22 at Gustavus Adolphus

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	84	Wabash	3-0	def. Mount St. Joseph, 81-78; def. #16 Washington U., 70-67; won at T#60 Hanover, 79-69; 11/18 vs. #17 Marietta; 11/19 vs. T#50 Maryville (Tenn.); 11/22 at Anderson
#27	78	Emory	2-0	def. Piedmont, 85-67; won at Sewanee, 101-76; 11/19 vs. Guilford; 11/22 vs. Covenant
#28	68	Swarthmore	3-1	won at T#32 Rowan, 71-70; def. Bowdoin, 90-68; def. #22 Wesleyan, 79-61; LOST at Widener, 66-67; 11/19 at DeSales; 11/22 vs. Muhlenberg
#29	51	Hope	2-1	def. UW-Stout, 74-63; LOST to #3 UW-Oshkosh, 56-67; won at T#56 UW-Whitewater, 72-68; 11/19 vs. North Park; 11/26 vs. Rockford
#30	49	St. Thomas (Texas)	2-0	def. Arlington Baptist, 105-69; def. East Texas Baptist, 83-81; 11/18 at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps; 11/19 at Redlands; 11/23 at Texas-Dallas; 11/26 at Concordia (Texas)
#31	47	Whitworth	0-2	LOST at #7 Mount Union, 74-84; LOST to (n) T#46 Roanoke, 86-89; 11/17 vs. Sul Ross State; 11/22 vs. Cal Lutheran; 11/25 vs. Carleton; 11/26 vs. TBA
T#32	43	Rowan	0-2	LOST to #28 Swarthmore, 70-71; LOST at Marymount, 88-89; 11/19 at #22 Wesleyan; 11/22 at #9 Stockton
T#32	43	Wooster	0-0	11/18 vs. Mount Aloysius; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/23 vs. #7 Mount Union
T#34	38	Keene State	2-0	won at Westfield State, 86-71; def. Rutgers-Newark, 102-66; 11/18 vs. T#50 Maryville (Tenn.); 11/19 at #17 Marietta; 11/22 at Springfield; 11/26 vs. MIT
T#34	38	Heidelberg	2-1	LOST to T#56 UW-Whitewater, 67-78; def. Olivet, 89-64; won at Bluffton, 66-61; 11/22 vs. Albion; 11/26 at #48 Ohio Wesleyan
#36	37	UW-Platteville	2-1	def. (n) Lawrence, 82-71; won at UW-Superior, 77-68; LOST at Ripon, 67-69; 11/18 vs. Mount Mercy; 11/22 at Augustana; 11/26 vs. Illinois Tech
#37	25	Babson	2-1	won at Lasell, 76-65; def. Salve Regina, 80-72; LOST at #13 St. Joseph (Conn.), 56-77; 11/19 at Tufts; 11/20 at TBA; 11/23 vs. Amherst
#38	23	Dubuque	2-1	LOST to (n) T#44 North Central (Ill.), 70-81; won at Carroll, 68-53; won at Edgewood, 82-71; 11/22 at Wartburg; 11/26 at Monmouth
#39	19	Calvin	4-0	def. Grace Bible, 93-53; def. #3 UW-Oshkosh, 59-56; def. UW-Stout, 76-63; won at Illinois Tech, 65-62; 11/22 vs. Hiram; 11/25 vs. Rockford; 11/26 vs. UW-Stevens Point
#40	18	Yeshiva	2-2	LOST at #13 St. Joseph (Conn.), 60-69; LOST at #21 Illinois Wesleyan, 71-76; def. (n) Webster, 75-58; def. St. Joseph's (Bklyn.), 102-65; 11/19 vs. Farmingdale State; 11/22 at SUNY-Purchase
#41	16	John Carroll	2-0	def. Wittenberg, 94-72; def. #48 Ohio Wesleyan, 70-55; 11/18 vs. UW-River Falls; 11/19 vs. TBA; 11/23 vs. Fredonia
#42	15	Nichols	2-1	def. Eastern Connecticut, 90-83; LOST at Trinity (Conn.), 55-74; won at Anna Maria, 94-75; 11/18 vs. New England College; 11/19 vs. #14 Middlebury; 11/22 vs. Thomas
#43	12	Hampden-Sydney	2-1	LOST at Greensboro, 77-82; def. (n) Alvernia, 79-62; won at Franklin and Marshall, 80-64; 11/19 at #1 Randolph-Macon; 11/22 at Mary Washington
T#44	11	Mass.-Dartmouth	1-1	def. Connecticut College, 57-52; LOST to Kean, 73-81; 11/19 at MIT; 11/22 vs. Brandeis
T#44	11	North Central (Ill.)	2-1	def. (n) #38 Dubuque, 81-70; def. (n) Whitman, 77-60; LOST at Aurora, 79-81 OT; 11/19 at T#56 UW-Whitewater; 11/22 vs. Benedictine
T#46	10	Hardin-Simmons	1-1	def. Texas Lutheran, 91-63; LOST to Schreiner, 68-76; 11/19 vs. Texas-Dallas; 11/25 at Southwestern; 11/26 at #18 Trinity (Texas)
T#46	10	Roanoke	1-1	LOST to (n) T#50 Maryville (Tenn.), 81-90; def. (n) #31 Whitworth, 89-86; 11/18 vs. Alfred; 11/18 vs. .; 11/19 vs. .; 11/19 vs. .
#48	8	Ohio Wesleyan	1-1	def. (n) Buffalo State, 79-63; LOST at #41 John Carroll, 55-70; 11/19 at Albion; 11/23 at Capital; 11/26 vs. T#34 Heidelberg
#49	6	Berry	4-0	def. Huntingdon, 86-66; def. (n) LaGrange, 88-83 OT; won at Huntingdon, 79-63; def. Belhaven, 62-57; 11/19 vs. Warren Wilson; 11/26 vs. Pfeiffer
T#50	5	Brockport	2-1	LOST to Alfred, 69-72; def. Keystone, 92-78; def. Hobart, 71-67; 11/22 at York (N.Y.)
T#50	5	Maryville (Tenn.)	2-1	def. Sewanee, 76-55; def. (n) T#46 Roanoke, 90-81; LOST at #7 Mount Union, 75-99; 11/18 vs. T#34 Keene State; 11/19 at #26 Wabash
T#50	5	Emerson	1-2	def. Gordon, 95-51; LOST to Tufts, 78-80 OT; LOST to Bridgewater State, 79-81; 11/19 at UMass Lowell; 11/22 vs. Suffolk

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far), Part II

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
T#53	4	Ithaca	2-2	LOST to Cortland, 80-82; LOST at Montclair State, 79-93; won at Centenary (N.J.), 97-71; def. Keystone, 95-80
T#53	4	Nazareth	2-0	def. Gordon, 90-72; def. Cortland, 79-44; 11/17 at Rochester Tech; 11/19 vs. #11 Rochester; 11/22 vs. #5 Oswego State
T#53	4	Pacific Lutheran	2-0	won at Evergreen St., 100-67; def. Warner Pacific, 77-71; 11/19 vs. Cal Lutheran; 11/20 vs. Mont. St.-Northern
T#56	3	Stevens	0-3	LOST to (n) Vassar, 59-63; LOST to (n) SUNY Geneseo, 51-53; LOST at New Jersey City, 48-58; 11/19 vs. Scranton; 11/22 at Baruch
T#56	3	UW-Whitewater	3-1	won at Augustana, 95-90; won at T#34 Heidelberg, 78-67; def. (n) Pitt-Bradford, 86-74; LOST to #29 Hope, 68-72; 11/19 vs. T#44 North Central (Ill.); 11/26 vs. Ripon
T#56	3	LeTourneau	1-0	def. Texas College, 92-87 OT; 11/19 at Southwestern; 11/20 vs. #18 Trinity (Texas); 11/26 at Schreiner
#59	2	Penn State-Harrisburg	1-2	def. Chatham, 72-54; LOST to #9 Stockton, 69-72; LOST at Kean, 77-85; 11/19 vs. Bridgewater (Va.); 11/22 at Messiah
T#60	1	Hanover	1-1	won at Spalding, 73-42; LOST to #26 Wabash, 69-79; 11/18 at #24 Wheaton (Ill.); 11/19 vs. TBA
T#60	1	St. John Fisher	1-2	LOST at Hobart, 65-88; def. (n) Pfeiffer, 79-74; LOST at Virginia Wesleyan, 69-80; 11/17 vs. #11 Rochester; 11/19 at Rochester Tech

[restling]

This is awesome.  Going to be a weekly post?

[Darryl Nester]

This is awesome.  Going to be a weekly post?

Hi, restling -
Yes, this is a tradition started a long time ago by [someone whose name I don't remember because I'm getting old, but I'm sure some other long-timer will fill in that detail.] I took over when I wrote a program that automates most of the work. I typically post a final report on Sunday night (the day before a new poll comes out), and sometimes (when I remember) post a mid-week report so you can see what noteworthy games may be coming up.

Edit: OK, curiosity got the better of me, so I went poking about in the early archives of this board, and found what appears to be the first such report, from Ryan Scott. I believe one or two others also posted reports before I started.

I'm not sure if there will be a new poll this week or if we're waiting until next week, but here it goes:

#1   IWU wins over TX-Dallas and Wabash
#2   Oshkosh hasn't played yet
#3   Wooster wins over Kalamazoo and Stout
...

(It appears that would make this coming Monday the 17th birthday of HTF.)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I believe there's no poll this week.  Pat wanted to get a lot of these games done before we reassess, hopefully to limit how much the preseason poll affects things.  As a voter, it's always nice to come to the list fresh, with actual results, as opposed to trying to move around slots of a preseason poll, which is really just guesswork to begin with.