Top 25 talk

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · December 20, 2005, 09:01:56 AM

Maryville got dropped right out for one loss; you would have thought that the past five years or so of consistent play would have afforded them some slack... Averett may not be a tourney team, but they are pretty good. Ohio Northern got in, which is very mnuch deserved. R-MC beats a ranked opponent and loses a spot to Stout; that's pretty rough. Witt, UPS, and Hope all lost a decent amount of points in the voting and most of it went to Stout and R-MC, closing the gap between the top ten and everyone else. Very interesting.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · December 20, 2005, 09:08:07 AM

Come to think of it, all of the big drop offs have lowered considerably.

Week 3:

The gap between #10 and #11 was 96 points.
The gap between #15 and #16 was 46 points.
The gap between #20 and #21 was 46 points.
Those were the most obvious dividing lines.

Week 4:

Things seem to be changing as more voters get a chance to decide for themselves and make adjustments.
The gap between #10 and #11 is 61 points.
The gap between #15 and #16 is 10 points.
The gap between #20 and #21 is 5 points.

This leaves fewer and fewer points available for the teams at the bottom, but things seem to be consolidating. What I see is a lot of potential for movement if one or more of the top 8-10 teams takes a big fall.

Greek Tragedy · December 20, 2005, 01:22:38 PM

Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 20, 2005, 09:01:56 AM
R-MC beats a ranked opponent and loses a spot to Stout; that's pretty rough. Witt, UPS, and Hope all lost

R-MC beat that ranked opponent on Monday, so it probably didn't figure into this week's poll. That's my guess.

fritzdis · December 20, 2005, 01:28:40 PM

Quote from: Old School on December 20, 2005, 01:22:38 PM
R-MC beat that ranked opponent on Monday, so it probably didn't figure into this week's poll. That's my guess.

He's referring to the other ranked opponent they beat in the last 2 days (Lincoln), which did count.

Greek Tragedy · December 20, 2005, 01:29:50 PM

On the women's side, interesting to see the #1 team lose and still retain top spot.

Week 3

1. Southern Maine (7-0) 623 votes
2. Bowdoin (7-1) 544
3. Brandeis (6-0) 541

Week 4

1. Southern Main (7-1) 562
2. Brandeis (6-0) 558
3. George Fox (9-0) 553

Bowdoin doesn't play and drops three spots to 5.
George Fox was 6th at 8-0 with 499 votes in Week 3.

Greek Tragedy · December 20, 2005, 01:31:15 PM

fritzdis,

Missed that one! Thanks.

Ralph Turner · December 20, 2005, 01:53:35 PM

Quote from: Old School on December 20, 2005, 01:29:50 PM
On the women's side, interesting to see the #1 team lose and still retain top spot.

Week 3

1. Southern Maine (7-0) 623 votes
2. Bowdoin (7-1) 544
3. Brandeis (6-0) 541

Week 4

1. Southern Main (7-1) 562
2. Brandeis (6-0) 558
3. George Fox (9-0) 553

Bowdoin doesn't play and drops three spots to 5.
George Fox was 6th at 8-0 with 499 votes in Week 3.

Actually Bowdoin did not play and lost only 2 votes to 542. The 4th place team (Wash U StL 10-0) received 544 votes.

I interpret that to mean that there was no change in the voters' impression of Bowdoin. Southern Maine came back to the pack!

Mr. Ypsi · December 20, 2005, 03:54:26 PM

What I find a bit curious is that the team that beat Southern Maine, Salem State, is 8-1 (I'm sure that's part of the reason SM stayed #1 while Millikin dropped to #7 - that and the earlier win over Bowdoin), yet Salem State did NOT make the top 25 (they were the equivalent of 29th)!

Coach C · December 20, 2005, 04:04:14 PM

Mr Ypsi -

Yeah if I lived in Salem State land (thank God I don't, it's cold enough in NJ) i would have some questions for the voters.

C

Pat Coleman · December 20, 2005, 05:34:48 PM

I think you know full well how hard it is to go from zero votes (which SSC deserved after losing to Clark and not having beaten anyone of consequence) to the Top 25. Since Luther was already doing the same, it was even harder for people to make room for two teams.

Luther won on the road by 20-some points at last year's defending champ. Salem State won at home, where they were 12-1 last year, even in a down year for them (20-7).

Coach C · December 20, 2005, 07:30:51 PM

Pat -

I wasn't arguing that SSU deserved an immediate ranking, but yeah someone may need ot explain the process a bit to a team that knocked off the #1 team in the country. (Who then stayed at 1).

C

Mr. Ypsi · December 20, 2005, 08:24:12 PM

Good thing it wasn't a playoff game - otherwise Pat would HAVE to call Salem #1!

Happy birthday, anyway, you little kid!

[Fot those totally confused, this relates to conversations on TWO other boards, but I trust Pat will understand!)

David Collinge · December 20, 2005, 09:07:24 PM

Maybe THREE other boards, if we're still talking about the women's top 25 in the men's top 25 room.

titanfan · December 20, 2005, 10:16:57 PM

Final from the Shirk Center in Bloomington, Illinois:

#1 Illinois Wesleyan 72
#14 Hanover 61

gordonmann · December 20, 2005, 10:18:24 PM

It was sort of overshadowed by Hanover/IWU, but No. 3 Wittenberg beat No. 24 ONU 65-54. Not a bad showing for the Polar Bears, losing by 11 at Witt's place. ONU goes 1-2 in three straight games against B-W, JCU and Wittenberg.

No. 21 Lincoln gets by Greensboro 85-81 to win their eleventh of the season in fourteen games. They play CNU (7-1) tomorrow in what will be a big game for both teams.

No. 15 Wartburg plays University of Mary Washington (5-2) late tonight, 8 PM local time in the Las Vegas tournament. If you've got broadband, you can check it out on http://www.kwar.org/kwar.ram.