Top 25 talk

[njlincolnlion]

Wooster Booster:

I hope simulations...........like dreams come true  .

[augie_superfan]

Wooster Booster,

What program do you use to run those simulations?

[diehardfan]

Perhaps, but also pretty sure the ceiling is higher for Wheaton than it is for Redlands, considering where they came from last year.

Ponders this... it's been a while since I've been to King Arena ( ) but I think you are right, and our ceiling is indeed higher. 

I actually agree with both of you... I remember thinking... hey we lost to Redlands, but Redlands can't possibly as young of a team as we are... and when I looked up the roster, and compared it to the box score, I actually thought... ouch, because Redlands does have a young team. Esepcially from the perspective that it is a young team, having to learn a whole other system of playing basketball.... That is a little different from just learning to play at the college level.

On the other hand, Wheaton has both a young team, and had an unexpectedly short roster. Last year, Redlands could prepare for the situation they were going to be in, Wheaton had no way to predict that all sorts of key players who were expected to return wouldn't be on the roster (or even at the school) come November.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Iwent looking to see if the regional rankings were up, and found that the NCAA has a "coaches poll" - hmmmmm 

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/polls/rankings/diviii-coaches

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Yeah, you never noticed that the d3hoops poll was being listed on ncaasports.com?  It's a nice recognition of Pat's good work.

[walzy31]

That "screen shot" looked a lot like it had a Microsoft Excel lay out...

Does the simulation take into account crowd noise, water in-take, or hours of the sleep the coaches had the night before the game?

[woosterbooster]

That "screen shot" looked a lot like it had a Microsoft Excel lay out...

Does the simulation take into account crowd noise, water in-take, or hours of the sleep the coaches had the night before the game?

It is an Excel program/game/sim, called AtR, Above the Rim basketball.  It's free, and if you're interested, send me a PM and I'll tell you where to get it.

All coaches are assumed to have no sleep on the night before the game, and to have had lengthy arguments with their wives before arriving at the gym.  The players fluid intake is equal and non-alcoholic - pregame anyway.  All crowds produce the same level of mayhem, except if the contest is at Oberlin.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

All crowds produce the same level of mayhem, except if the contest is at Oberlin.

In which case they are "non-existant?"

[Ralph Turner]

Iwent looking to see if the regional rankings were up, and found that the NCAA has a "coaches poll" - hmmmmm 

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/polls/rankings/diviii-coaches

It does look familiar, doesn't it!  Even down to the vote count!

[devossed]

Iwent looking to see if the regional rankings were up, and found that the NCAA has a "coaches poll" - hmmmmm 
http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/polls/rankings/diviii-coaches

It does look familiar, doesn't it!  Even down to the vote count!

Seriously, though--if that's the case, then I would think that the NCAA "committees" would at least look at it when concocting the regional rankings, right? It would make sense to look at an "official" poll that your governing body sponsors, doesn't it???

[digs]

Perhaps, but also pretty sure the ceiling is higher for Wheaton than it is for Redlands, considering where they came from last year.

Pat,

I'm really not trying to piss you off on this, but I do not understand why last year's results raise the ceiling on this year's team--assuming that both teams are considered young.  Isn't the ceiling on any team is determined by the players on that particular team not what other players on that team did in past years? 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Devossed,

The NCAA is locked into its system of ranking, even if they looked at the d3hoops.com poll very carefully, they still are bound to rank by the numbers, in region record, QOWI and record vs other ranked opponents, etc.

They are not allowed to judge one region better than another.  They get some of that with the secondary criteria, but we don't know when that applies.

[John Gleich]

A couple of great WIAC games going on... check the WIAC in-game boards, both games are 4 point games, Stout and Whitewater leading fairly early in the second halves.

[Pat Coleman]

Perhaps, but also pretty sure the ceiling is higher for Wheaton than it is for Redlands, considering where they came from last year.

Pat,

I'm really not trying to piss you off on this, but I do not understand why last year's results raise the ceiling on this year's team--assuming that both teams are considered young.  Isn't the ceiling on any team is determined by the players on that particular team not what other players on that team did in past years? 

No, honestly, I just don't think so. I think the track record of the program as a national Top 25 threat means that they get better kids and may indeed have better coaching, therefore the ceiling is higher.

[Matt Letourneau]

The NCAA 'coaches poll' lists WPI as "Worchester Tech."  As someone who was born and raised in Central Massachusetts and watched high school tournament games in that gym, I object!!!

Drop the 'h,' in spelling AND in pronunciation.