Top 25 talk

[BVHawk]

Wartburg was overrated all season.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Wartburg was overrated all season.

They were playing pretty well before Christmas.  Give them some credit.  They obviously lost it in conference, but they did deserve their ranking for a while.

[Pat Coleman]

Wartburg was overrated all season.

A Buena Vista supporter might want to be more judicious when discussing overrated teams from the IIAC. Some might remind you to look in the mirror in previous years.

[TeeDub]

Wartburg was overrated all season.

Hmmm?  Does beating an overrated team make you good or bad...I'm confused.

[smedindy]

Hmmm?  Does beating an overrated team make you good or bad...I'm confused

Yes!

[woosterbooster]

Hmmm? Does beating an overrated team make you good or bad...I'm confused

Yes!

Easily the most succinct yet ambiguous post I've ever seen.  Consider yourself the beneficiary of an additional 20% worth of karma.   

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Fantastic!

[woosterbooster]

Nice try, Hoops Fan. :-)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I was just adding my parise to yours in regards to Smed's response.  I thought it was fantastic.  I certainly might have been able to potentially come up with some sort of quasi-ambiguous post, if I had given some measure of time or thought to the topic, maybe.

[smedindy]

Hey, now, plenty of Smed-love to go around!! 

Anyway....

[woosterbooster]

Hoops Fan -

I've allotted you .3 points of Karma.  Of course, the lack of sophistication in the forum software disallows me the ability to officially pass this on, but I've duly noted it in my NCAA (DIII) Karma Notebook. Should you, at some time in the future, be deemed worthy of another .2 points (I round up), a full point will be added to your D3Hoops stats.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm smiting you .1 points for being cheap.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Pat commented on the Hope-Lawrence for #! debate over in the MWC and it sparked a question.  I thought it might be more appropriate here.

Do you think the winner of the NCAA tournament necessarily should be the #1 at the end of the year?

I would say yes in most circumstances, but what about this one:

A team like Tufts goes through the tournament winning games by one or two points, some in overtime, the whole way through.  They beat a cinderella in the final four to make the championship against, for example a Lawrence which has hypothetically won every game by 15 points or more.  In the final, Tufts plays out of their minds and Lawrence struggles with poor shooting, but an otherwise decent performance.  Tufts wins the game and the title, but they were clearly not the best team on the floor.

You've got a 25-7 national champion and a 28-1 runner-up.  Do you still have to vote for Tufts in the final poll or is there leeway there?  Do you penalize a great team for having one bad, albeit immesely important, game?


You can substitute anyone for those teams depending on the year.  I'm more concerned with people's thoughts about whether winning the tournament automatically makes you #1 or if there is room for other teams to receive #1 votes?

[woosterbooster]

I don't know, but my feelings are that if you win it on the floor, no matter in a lucky fashion or not, you deserve the number one ranking.  After all, DIII is lucky to have this tournament where teams can get the opportunity to win it on the court.  The NCAA still irks me with DI football where they can't seem to find the way to make that happen with a little 8 or 16 team tournament.

[Pat Coleman]

I think the only vote for No. 1 I would accept other than the winner of the NCAA Tournament would be if a team snubbed from the tournament had claim to the No. 1 spot.  As close as we've ever gotten on that, I believe, is Capital's inexplicably being left out of the 2002 tournament. Otterbein, which Capital played to the nub three times, won the title. Capital finished No. 8 in the final poll and got several No. 2 votes.