Top 25 talk

[Pat Coleman]

Well, that's fine and all, but the fact remains that it wasn't St. Thomas' full squad by far and thinking that UWL beat the fourth-best team in the country is a little misleading. The squad that took the floor tonight was considerably less than that.

[Greek Tragedy]

Well, that's fine and all, but the fact remains that it wasn't St. Thomas' full squad by far and thinking that UWL beat the fourth-best team in the country is a little misleading. The squad that took the floor tonight was considerably less than that.

I'm not going to argue much, Pat, but ONE guy sits out and it's not their full squad BY FAR?...or am I missing something and others sat out?

[Pat Coleman]

When one guy averages 16.7 points, 11.2 boards and 3.0 blocks, you tell me.

[woosterbooster]

You play with who you got. 

The original line didn't hold water when Donald Rumsfeld said it, and the paraphrase is leaky also.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I think Greensboro Men is deserving of one vote this week.  I mean #25 couldn't beat the two teams Greensboro went ahead and beat this weekend.  I am not going to sit there and argue it.  They may not have played anybody, but like I said #25 couldn't do it.

[Pat Coleman]

It's a great argument for up-again-down-again CNU going down again. It's not a great argument on its own for Greensboro getting a vote, though -- you might be better with Greensboro arguing on its own merits rather than trying to compare it to CNU.

Gboro has two more games before we vote next.

[Mr. Ypsi]

OS,

This ain't the fball boards anymore, where 'one guy' (with the OCCASIONAL exception of a qb or rb) makes no big difference.  Think Indiana State (they were the whole team, except for Larry Bird) or Navy (hey, they had everyone except David Robinson)!  St. Thomas without Rosefelt just isn't St. Thomas!

[Greek Tragedy]

When one guy averages 16.7 points, 11.2 boards and 3.0 blocks, you tell me.

Yet he still isn't the leading scorer on the team! lol. 

It looks like Mike Keating is an "alright" player as well.  16.0 pts/gm and 10.4 reb./gm.  Not to mention Schnettler chipping in 20.3 a game!    It's not like they didn't have other options. 

No big deal.  Like I said, I don't know much about St. Thomas anyway...I'm done arguing La Crosse's win! 

I guess I could argue someone's future win over Point as "misleading" if Jon Krull didn't play...but he leads the team in points (16.3), rebounds (5.9) and assists (32 total). 

[woosterbooster]

Rosefelt was a first-team NABC (National Association of Basketball Coaches) All-American as a junior.  DIII Hoops second team.  The guy is good, and St. Thomas misses quite a bit if he's not suited up.

http://www.stthomas.edu/tommies/shared/shownews.cfm?ArticleID=4122

[Pat Coleman]

I guess I could argue someone's future win over Point as "misleading" if Jon Krull didn't play

Sure. That's just reality.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Pat-

Well one thing can be certain Gboro only lost came to a very underatted Guilford team.  They beat a very good John Carroll team.  That is about it.

On the issue of stats.  I know of one school in the south where stats are very misleading. (I saw it on the women's side)  A team could have 18 steals but the other team only has 8 TO's 

9-0 Johns Hopkins IMO is very overrated is about as overratted as Duke (sorry I am not a Duke fan, so take that statement coming from someone who despises Duke)  I just don't know how Duke can lose pretty much all their playmakers on offense and be ranked as high as they are.  They are really sloppy out there.  I think ACC will not be kind to them.

On the issue of JH  I don't know how a team with 178 TO's can be 9-0.  Either the teams they played aren't very good.  Or they somehow can capitalize on what they have.  I think its the former, because only 3 out of the 9 teams they play currently have winning records.  I thouht some sort of strength of schdeule was used in the polling.  That is just my opinion.

(This is an arguement of overrated JH.  This is not an arguement of the who should be in the Top 25.)

[ScotsFan]

I'll put in my opinion on the whole Rosefelt issue.  First and foremost I want to say that it was a very good win for UW-Lax.  On the road at St. Thomas and coming into this game in almost a must win mode considering the 2 games they have looming on the schedule in the Mose Hole.  They got the job done against a good basketball team.

I do feel, however, that they caught a break by catching the Tommies without their AA Rosefelt.  Not only did St. Thomas miss Rosefelt on the offensive end, they missed his presense on the defensive end as well.  I'm sure Joe Werner didn't mind not seeing Rosefelt on the floor as he seemed to have a pretty good night on the offensive end scoring 21 points on 8-14 shooting. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I guess I could argue someone's future win over Point as "misleading" if Jon Krull didn't play

Sure. That's just reality.

The win is on the LAX schedule no matter who played, so it's a good win for them.  However, who are you picking if they meet again at full strength?  That's the real question.

[David Collinge]

Top 25 games, 12/18-25 (updated):

#1 Wooster (9-1) lost at Cal Baptist 94-89
#2 Amherst (8-0) is idle
#3 Virginia Wesleyan  (7-1) is idle
#4 St. Thomas (6-1) lost to UW-La Crosse 62-54
#5 UW-Stevens Point (9-0) is idle (their game at Regis (CO) Sat. has been cancelled)
#6 Wittenberg (7-2) lost at #7 Ohio Northern 68-51 and won at Otterbein 79-72
#7 Ohio Northern (8-1) def. #6 Wittenberg 68-51
#8 Whitworth (10-0) is idle
#9 Augustana (9-1) def. Rockford 78-44
#10 William Paterson (8-1) plays at CCNY Sat.
#11 Mississippi College (7-1) def. Tex. Lutheran 77-53
#12 Averett (9-0) def. Marymount 88-72
#13 Johns Hopkins (9-0) is idle
#14 Lawrence (4-3) lost at UW-Oshkosh 88-75
#15 Puget Sound (9-1) won at Chapman 117-111 (OT)
#16 Bates (8-0) is idle
#17 Wheaton (IL) (5-3) is idle
#18 Carthage (8-1) def. Olivet 82-63 and Marietta 82-51, both at Las Vegas
#19 Hope (6-2) def. Purdue-North Central 88-79
#20 Chicago (7-1) is idle
#21 UW-Platteville (6-2) is idle
#22 DePauw (8-1) won at Kenyon 53-52
#23 NYU (7-0) is idle
#24 North Central (5-3) won at Benedictine 74-54, lost to Lincoln 75-53 at Orlando, and def. Gwynedd-Mercy 66-44 in Orlando
#25 Christopher Newport (5-4) lost to John Carroll 92-71 and lost to Fisk 72-71, both in Greensboro NC

[Greek Tragedy]

Sure got a lot of response and conversation going with this topic!  I'll have to argue more!

BTW, after the suspensions of FIVE Lincoln players (any of those starters), Lincoln still went out and smoked North Central by 20 or so...what are the thoughts on that?  I was just curious since losing five players and possibly some starters must have had some kind effect on their team, and yets they beat a ranked North Central team.