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[golden_dome]

I'm confused.  Everything I've read would indicate that Hope should be 10-1 in region, yet the NCAA has them listed as 10-2.  Is Carthage now an in-region game for Hope?

Are they not within 200 miles of each other.

[Pat Coleman]

I bet Manhattanville/Washington College is not 200 miles.

[Pat Coleman]

Scratch that, we got 196 miles on that.

[David Collinge]

I'm confused.  Everything I've read would indicate that Hope should be 10-1 in region, yet the NCAA has them listed as 10-2.  Is Carthage now an in-region game for Hope?

Are they not within 200 miles of each other.

Holland to Kenosha is about 215 miles; I'm not sure what the NCAA's official software says, but I doubt is says 199.9 or less.

[pabegg]

I agree that Hope-Carthage should be out of region, Babson-Vassar in region.

WashU has an extra loss. Are they counting the D1 exhibition?

I'm also checking discrepancies in wins for Manhattanville, NYU, Lincoln, Kings, St. Thomas, and Whitworth.

The first four I still think I've got right (Manhattanville-Washington College, NYU-Clark, no guess on Lincoln and Kings). In those I've got an extra regional win.

St. Thomas and Whitworth: I have one more game (regional and overall) than the NCAA, and I can't guess what they left out.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm confused.  Everything I've read would indicate that Hope should be 10-1 in region, yet the NCAA has them listed as 10-2.  Is Carthage now an in-region game for Hope?

Are they not within 200 miles of each other.

Holland to Kenosha is about 215 miles; I'm not sure what the NCAA's official software says, but I doubt is says 199.9 or less.

Seriously -- one year the software automatically spit out the ferry distance and that was obviously not what the rule was meant to cover.

I have just started my work shift at NBCSports.com -- if you guys compile differences I will definitely take this up with them.

[pabegg]

My thoughts on the regional rankings:

Northeast: this is actually straight QOWI order, except for 9 & 10 where Babson beat Tufts.
East: I think they're missing one NYU win, which would tie NYU and Brockport (same RWP, same QOWI). But given what they've got, this is expected. (Note that the #6 here is likely St. John Fisher, which has a better Pool C chance than some of the ranked teams).
Atlantic: I'm a little surprised by NJCU at #5, as I'm not sure how they edge out Rutgers-Newark.
Mid-Atlantic: I'm not sure how Messiah is behind Catholic (better RWP and QOWI) unless it's based on their loss to Hood (Hood and Catholic split). Otherwise, exact match to mine.
South: 3 to 6 are basically tied, so it's all a matter of how they broke the ties.
Great Lakes: right on, except for the Hope situation.
Midwest: I'm not sure about the bottom 2 - must have given Carthage credit for all their losses to teams above them.
West: I'm not sure why Redlands is out. Assuming that Redlands is 9 and Coe is 10, both schools would be on the Pool C bubble today.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, the criteria does say in-region results against regionally ranked teams. It doesn't say 'winning percentage' or 'wins.'

It was suggested to me ... I think last year ... that this could refer to having played ranked teams, regardless of the wins and losses.

[pabegg]

Well, the criteria does say in-region results against regionally ranked teams. It doesn't say 'winning percentage' or 'wins.'

It was suggested to me ... I think last year ... that this could refer to having played ranked teams, regardless of the wins and losses.

Pat,

I'm not sure if you're referring to Catholic or Carthage.

Carthage looks like a clear example of what you described, as they're 1-3 against the three CCIW teams above them, while Bluffton hasn't played a ranked team.

Catholic is 2-1 vs. ranked teams (1-1 Hood, 1-0 Scranton) while Messiah is 1-1 (0-1 Hood, 1-0 Richard Stockton from Atlantic). This doesn't look like enough to reverse Messiah's lead on RWP and QOWI, but this must have been what they did.

[Pat Coleman]

Was referring to Carthage, sorry.

[sac]

There's no ferry service in winter! 

[Pat Coleman]

There's no ferry service in winter! 

Exactly.

[sac]

I count 10-5 for Carthage to without Hope, NCAA has them listed at 11-5, so apparently they're counting Hope as an in-region game.

[pabegg]

I count 10-5 for Carthage to without Hope, NCAA has them listed at 11-5, so apparently they're counting Hope as an in-region game.

I missed that - I also have Carthage at 10-5 (which would explain why I think they should be behind Bluffton).

[Ralph Turner]

I count 10-5 for Carthage to without Hope, NCAA has them listed at 11-5, so apparently they're counting Hope as an in-region game.

Over on the Men's South Region Ranking Board,I detailed how I was able manually to load (Greencastle to Lafayette = 56 miles) + (Lafayette to Chicago = 110 miles) = 166 miles.  DPU versus UChciago apparently was considered in-region.

When I loaded Greencastle to Chicago, it routed the shortest distance trip via Indianapolis to give 215 miles.

That may be what has happened here.