Top 25 talk

[Ralph Turner]

The NCAA tourney determines the CHAMPION, not necessarily the best team in the nation over the long haul. The nature of the knockout elimination makes it so that sometimes the best team gets bounced.

I hate conference tourneys, too. Every conference should play a double round robin (yes the ASC has some issues with that, but hey) and the winner comes from that grind.

Ah, well...

Smed, actually many of us ASC fans believe that we function more like 2 separate conferences that are linked together for the Pool A bid.  We are double round robin intra-divisional and single round robin inter-divisional.

I think that large divisional championships (at least 6 members) are like conference championships.  We are just playing the play-in games to the NCAA! 

[golden_dome]

Bridgewater 88 #17 Guilford 79

Upset in the ODAC,  Guilford now joins the bubble.....I think

You never know for sure, but I would think that knocks Guilford out. They lost to Bridgewater who is 7-15 in the region and drops their QOWI from 10.0 to 9.625. As of right now that would place their QOWI 9th in the South behind McMurry depending on how other teams ahead of them do in their tournaments and if Bridgewater can pick up one more win for additional QOWI points.

That just shows how hard it is to get a Pool C bid and how close everyone is. If Bridgewater can beat Roanoke tomorrow they would bump up to the .333 -.500 winning percentage bracket and give Guilford six more QOWI points since they played three times and Guilford's QOWI could go from 9.625 to 9.875. Crazy.

[Ralph Turner]

Bridgewater 88 #17 Guilford 79

Upset in the ODAC,  Guilford now joins the bubble.....I think

You never know for sure, but I would think that knocks Guilford out. They lost to Bridgewater who is 7-15 in the region and drops their QOWI from 10.0 to 9.625. As of right now that would place their QOWI 9th in the South behind McMurry depending on how other teams ahead of them do in their tournaments and if Bridgewater can pick up one more win for additional QOWI points.

That just shows how hard it is to get a Pool C bid and how close everyone is. If Bridgewater can beat Roanoke tomorrow they would bump up to the .333 -.500 winning percentage bracket and give Guilford six more QOWI points since they played three times and Guilford's QOWI could go from 9.625 to 9.875. Crazy.

Is there anymore reason for this Maroon and White fan to root for the Maroons?   

[wooscotsfan]

Final:  #4 Wooster 92  Wabash 80

Wooster gets the win and advances to the NCAC tourney final game.    Scots were led tonight by James Cooper with 18 points, Tim Vandervaart with 16 points and Brandon Johnson with 13 points.

Wooster led by 32 points in the 2nd half and then Wabash hit several three pointers down the stretch to narrow the final margin.

Wooster is now 24-3.    Next up is Ohio Wesleyan tomorrow night.  OWU knocked off #10 Wittenberg 57-52 in the first NCAC semi-final game tonight.

GO SCOTS!

[David Collinge]

Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 19-25 (UPDATED through Friday's results)

#   1   UW-Stevens Point (24-2) def. UW-Eau Claire 89-55 (WIAC quarterfinal); def. UW-Whitewater 94-69 (WIAC semifinal); hosts #18 UW-La Crosse Sat. (WIAC final)
#   2   Virginia Wesleyan (23-3) def. Washington & Lee 82-48 (ODAC qtr.); plays Hampden-Sydney Sat. (ODAC semifinal), finals Sun (all games at Salem, VA)
#   3   Amherst (24-1) hosts Colby Sat. (NESCAC semifinal); finals Sun.
#   4   Wooster (24-3) def. Earlham 94-76 (NCAC quarterfinal); def. Wabash 92-80 (NCAC semifinal); hosts Ohio Wesleyan Sat. (NCAC final)
#   5   Mississippi College (23-2) def. Concordia-Austin 86-62 (ASC quarterfinal); hosts McMurry Sat. (ASC semifinal); finals Sun.
#   6   St. Thomas (23-3) def. St. Olaf 77-61 (MIAC semifinal); hosts St. John's Sat (MIAC final)
#   7   UW-Oshkosh (21-6) def. UW-River Falls 83-65 (WIAC quarterfinal); lost at #18 UW-La Crosse 66-61 (WIAC semifinal)
#   8   Hope (23-3) def. Alma 89-49 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. Adrian 77-61 (MIAA semifinal); hosts Calvin Sat. (MIAA final)
#   9   Augustana (21-5) def. North Central 74-67 (CCIW semifinal); hosts #14 Elmhurst Sat. (CCIW final)
#   10   Wittenberg (22-5) def. Hiram 72-49 (NCAC quarterfinal); lost to Ohio Wesleyan 57-52 at Wooster, OH (NCAC semifinal)
#   11   Chicago (20-4) plays at #12 Washington U. Sat.
#   12   Washington U. (19-4) hosts #11 Chicago Sat.
#   13   Worcester Polytech (21-2) hosts MIT Sat. (NEWMAC semifinal); finals Sun.
#   14   Elmhurst (21-5) won at Millikin 79-63; def. Wheaton (IL) 85-82 at Rock Island, IL (CCIW semifinal); plays at #9 Augustana Sat. (CCIW final)
#   15   Aurora (24-2) def. Lakeland 86-72 (NATHCON semifinal); hosts Edgewood Sat. (NATHCON final)
#   16   Whitworth (22-3) hosts Lewis & Clark Sat. (NWC championship)
#   17   Guilford (21-4) lost to Bridgewater (VA) 88-78 at Salem, VA (ODAC quarterfinal)
#   18   UW-La Crosse (19-7) def. UW-Stout 63-58 (WIAC quarterfinal); def #7 UW-Oshkosh 66-61 (WIAC semifinal); plays at #1 UW-Stevens Point Sat. (WIAC final)
#   19   Occidental (19-5) def. La Verne 85-54 and won at Whittier 63-61 (2 OT)
#   20   Trinity (CT) (21-3) plays Williams Sat. at Amherst (NESCAC semifinal); finals Sun.
#   21   NYU (19-5) hosts Brandeis Sat.
#   22   DePauw (22-4) def. Sewanee 84-72 at Memphis (SCAC qtr.); plays Trinity (TX) Sat. at Memphis (SCAC semifinal), finals Sun.
#   23   Puget Sound (18-7) lost at Lewis & Clark 66-60 (NWC semifinal)
#   24   Ohio Northern (19-7) lost to Otterbein 52-51 (OAC quarterfinals)
#   25   Mary Hardin-Baylor (22-4) def. Louisiana Coll. 96-86 in Clinton, MS (ASC qtr.); plays Hardin-Simmons Sat. in Clinton, MS (ASC semifinal), finals Sun.

[smedindy]

OK, Witt probably won't be #10 next week, but they will still be ranked, and speculation is that they won't get a "C" because of the QoWI (the rest of the NCAC, meh aside from Woo and OWU...meh...)

What's the highest ranked team to get excluded from the tourney? Anyone?

[John Gleich]

I think three or four years ago there was a top 15 team or two from a balanced league that missed out.  The chances of this happening aren't as high, due to there being more Pool C bids, but with teams like Wittenberg and Oshkosh being so firmly on the bubble at the moment, it could happen this year.

[sac]

What's the highest ranked team to get excluded from the tourney? Anyone?

Wheaton in 04 finished #11 in the final poll, I don't know if thats the best but its the one I recall the most.

During the 5 team Pool C years there were a number of good teams left home that probably ended up in the D3hoops.com top 25.

[Pat Coleman]

In 2002 Capital was No. 14 when the tournament began and was left out. Capital finished the season at No. 8. The Crusaders went 23-5, losing three close games to Otterbein, which, of course, went on to win the national title.

[sac]

In 2002 Capital was No. 14 when the tournament began and was left out. Capital finished the season at No. 8. The Crusaders went 23-5, losing three close games to Otterbein, which, of course, went on to win the national title.

Forgot about that one.   Capital definately should have been in the tournament that year.

[golden_dome]

The ASC men's semifinal and championship games will have live video this weekend. I tested the image quality and it is excellent. I know our conference has a release on site about it but I though I would post it here as well.

Official Tournament Website
http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp

[Gregory Sager]

Brandeis beat NYU

Williams upset Trinity CT

Washington MO ousted Chicago

[Gregory Sager]

Wooster crushed OWU

Aurora appears to be cruising at home against Edgewood

[Gregory Sager]

Whitworth fended off L&C to win the NWC tourney title

[David Collinge]

Top 25 At-a-Glance, Week of Feb. 19-25 (FINAL)

#   1   UW-Stevens Point (25-2) def. UW-Eau Claire 89-55 (WIAC quarterfinal); def. UW-Whitewater 94-69 (WIAC semifinal); def. #18 UW-La Crosse 83-68 (WIAC final)
#   2   Virginia Wesleyan (23-4) def. Washington & Lee 82-48 (ODAC qtr.); lost to Hampden-Sydney 70-67 (ODAC semifinal) (both games at Salem, VA)
#   3   Amherst (25-2) def. Colby 82-55 (NESCAC semifinal); lost to Williams 70-69 (NESCAC final)
#   4   Wooster (25-3) def. Earlham 94-76 (NCAC quarterfinal); def. Wabash 92-80 (NCAC semifinal); def. Ohio Wesleyan 86-51 (NCAC final)
#   5   Mississippi College (25-2) def. Concordia-Austin 86-62 (ASC quarterfinal); def. McMurry 66-56 (ASC semifinal); de. Hardin-Simmons 77-64 (ASC final)
#   6   St. Thomas (24-3) def. St. Olaf 77-61 (MIAC semifinal); def. St. John's 75-49 (MIAC final)
#   7   UW-Oshkosh (21-6) def. UW-River Falls 83-65 (WIAC quarterfinal); lost at #18 UW-La Crosse 66-61 (WIAC semifinal)
#   8   Hope (23-4) def. Alma 89-49 (MIAA quarterfinal); def. Adrian 77-61 (MIAA semifinal); lost to Calvin 78-76 (MIAA final)
#   9   Augustana (22-5) def. North Central 74-67 (CCIW semifinal); def. #14 Elmhurst 78-70 (CCIW final)
#   10   Wittenberg (22-5) def. Hiram 72-49 (NCAC quarterfinal); lost to Ohio Wesleyan 57-52 at Wooster, OH (NCAC semifinal)
#   11   Chicago (20-5) lost at #12 Washington U. 79-74
#   12   Washington U. (20-4) def. #11 Chicago 79-74
#   13   Worcester Polytech (22-3) def. MIT 66-49 (NEWMAC semifinal); lost to Coast Guard 71-66 (MEWMAC final)
#   14   Elmhurst (21-6) won at Millikin 79-63; def. Wheaton (IL) 85-82 at Rock Island, IL (CCIW semifinal); lost at #9 Augustana 78-70 (CCIW final)
#   15   Aurora (25-2) def. Lakeland 86-72 (NATHCON semifinal); def. Edgewood 85-69 (NATHCON final)
#   16   Whitworth (23-3) def. Lewis & Clark 69-62 (NWC championship)
#   17   Guilford (21-4) lost to Bridgewater (VA) 88-78 at Salem, VA (ODAC quarterfinal)
#   18   UW-La Crosse (19-8) def. UW-Stout 63-58 (WIAC quarterfinal); def #7 UW-Oshkosh 66-61 (WIAC semifinal); lost at #1 UW-Stevens Point 83-68 (WIAC final)
#   19   Occidental (19-5) def. La Verne 85-54 and won at Whittier 63-61 (2 OT)
#   20   Trinity (CT) (21-4) lost to Williams 91-89 at Amherst (NESCAC semifinal)
#   21   NYU (19-6) lost to Brandeis 76-67
#   22   DePauw (22-5) def. Sewanee 84-72 at Memphis (SCAC qtr.); lost to Trinity (TX) 77-72 at Memphis (SCAC semifinal)
#   23   Puget Sound (18-7) lost at Lewis & Clark 66-60 (NWC semifinal)
#   24   Ohio Northern (19-7) lost to Otterbein 52-51 (OAC quarterfinals)
#   25   Mary Hardin-Baylor (22-5) def. Louisiana Coll. 96-86 in Clinton, MS (ASC qtr.); lost Hardin-Simmons 71-67 in Clinton, MS (ASC semifinal)