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[Hugenerd]

Chicago also wins.  WashU and Chicago still control their own fate for the UAA AQ.  Brandeis needs to winout and help from Chicago. 

If Chicago wins the UAA, the UAA has a very realistic shot at 4 teams in the NCAAs.

[Ralph Turner]

Chicago also wins.  WashU and Chicago still control their own fate for the UAA AQ.  Brandeis needs to winout and help from Chicago. 

If Chicago wins the UAA, the UAA has a very realistic shot at 4 teams in the NCAAs.

Precisely, hugenerd, because the UAA gets to put a contender into the Pool C calculations in each region in which they have a contender.

Possibly the statistically weakest team, Chicago enters as the Pool A bid.  Let's assume that Chicago is the Pool A bid.

Rochester's chance at a Pool C bid comes out of the East Region.  Rochester is most likely the East Region leading Pool C bid.

Wash StL is in the Midwest Region.  If Augie wins the CCIW tourney, they have inflicted another loss on Wheaton, Elmhurst and IWU.  Lawrence probably wins the MWC.  Thus, WUSTL is the leading Pool C candidate from the Midwest Region.

Brandeis is in the Northeast Region.  They are currently regionally ranked #3, trailing Amherst and UMass-Dartmouth.  Losing to Chicago, but beating NYU probably doesn't hurt their New England Regional Ranking too badly, especially if Amherst, UMass-Dartmouth and WPI inflict losses in their conference tourneys.

Voila, 4 UAA's in the tourney.

The challenge for a "mono-region" conference, e.g., the CCIW, is that the CCIW can only bring one team to the table at a time from the Midwest Region.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just clarify, the Pool C bids don't have predetermined numbers from each region. The NCAA got rid of that years ago! I have read a few posts that make it seem that the Pool C's are regionally split. Every team in the nation is lumped into the Pool C equation - which is very much why the regional scheduling and comparisons by the NCAA contradicts the fact the teams are graded nationally. (Something Coach Rick Ferry aluded to on his interview on Hoopsville a few weeks back, even going on to say he thinks the regional focus will soon disappear.)

[Mr. Ypsi]

d-mac,

Good reminder, but to reinforce what Ralph said, the selections ARE still regional in the sense that each region has only one team at the table at a time.  If you can't GET to the table, you can't get selected!

[Ralph Turner]

Just clarify, the Pool C bids don't have predetermined numbers from each region. The NCAA got rid of that years ago! I have read a few posts that make it seem that the Pool C's are regionally split. Every team in the nation is lumped into the Pool C equation - which is very much why the regional scheduling and comparisons by the NCAA contradicts the fact the teams are graded nationally. (Something Coach Rick Ferry aluded to on his interview on Hoopsville a few weeks back, even going on to say he thinks the regional focus will soon disappear.)

Dave, thanks for the response.  From the football boards, especially, I was under the impression that the national committee sits at the table and looks at the teams that are left after Pool A and B have been selected.

There is one team from each region at the table.  For example,

Atlantic:  Wm Paterson
East:      Rochester
Great Lakes:  Albion
Mid-Atlantic:  Gettysburg
Midwest:  WashStL
Northeast: Brandeis
South: VWC
West: UWW

The committee looks at these eight and picks Brandeis.  The new 8 become

Atlantic:  Wm Paterson
East:      Rochester
Great Lakes:  Albion
Mid-Atlantic:  Gettysburg
Midwest:  WashStL
Northeast: RIC
South: VWC
West: UWW

The committee looks at these 8 and picks UWW.  UW-Platteville is moved up.

Atlantic:  Wm Paterson
East:      Rochester
Great Lakes:  Albion
Mid-Atlantic:  Gettysburg
Midwest:  WashStL
Northeast: RIC
South: VWC
West: UWP

The committee looks at these 8 and picks WashStL and IWU moves up.

Atlantic:  Wm Paterson
East:      Rochester
Great Lakes:  Albion
Mid-Atlantic:  Gettysburg
Midwest:  IWU
Northeast: RIC
South: VWC
West: UWP

The committee looks at these 8 and selects Rochester, and Brockport moves up.

Atlantic:  Wm Paterson
East:     Brockport
Great Lakes:  Albion
Mid-Atlantic:  Gettysburg
Midwest:  IWU
Northeast: RIC
South: VWC
West: UWP

This process goes on until all 17 Pool C bids have been awarded.

Please comment (anyone in the know!)  Thanks.

[Hugenerd]

Just clarify, the Pool C bids don't have predetermined numbers from each region. The NCAA got rid of that years ago! I have read a few posts that make it seem that the Pool C's are regionally split. Every team in the nation is lumped into the Pool C equation - which is very much why the regional scheduling and comparisons by the NCAA contradicts the fact the teams are graded nationally. (Something Coach Rick Ferry aluded to on his interview on Hoopsville a few weeks back, even going on to say he thinks the regional focus will soon disappear.)

I agree with the previous posts, but I had already wrote this:

I thought Ralph made it clear by saying "on the table", meaning that there is one team from each region being considered at any given time for a pool C spot.  The best team from that consideration list is then picked for a pool C spot, and another is added in its place from the region where the last team was selected.  Therefore, by having 3 teams on the table from the time of the first pool C selection, those teams would have to be passed up 17 times to not get in.  I am not saying that this is impossible, it is just that they have a better shot at being selected than if they were being considered with only one or two spots left (it doesnt hurt that they each have pretty good resumes as well).

So Ralph's argument makes perfect sense when you consider that only one CCIW team can be considered for a pool C spot at a time, whereas there could be as many as 3 UAA teams up for consideration.  The end results may not change, but I think that the more times that you are considered, the better your chances.

[Ralph Turner]

Great minds on the same channel!   

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes... you guys are correct... the list is for "who is the next best in that region" line ups on the table. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page!

[sac]

Maybe I've forgotten this answer but the question I've always had is what happens in the regions which rank fewer teams.

ie Great Lakes.

Lets say all 6 ranked teams make the tournament either through A, B or C does the #7 team come up for discussion if there are still C spots open?

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah -- the list actually goes deeper than what is published to us, at least on Selection Sunday. They rank a bunch of at-large teams just in case.

[ronk]

Pat,
   any response yet from the ncaa on the regionalness of the women's Scranton-Catholic game as expressed on the discussion under pool c on the women's side? 

[magicman]

Plattsburgh State wins their 14th straight game and stretches their perfect SUNYAC record to 15-0 with a hard fought 56-53 win over Cortland State in Cortland. Their overall record now stands at 22-2. Their attempt to sweep the regular season SUNYAC conference is Sat. night at SUNYIT. A perfect SUNYAC conference record hasn't been accomplished in over 20 years, I believe. 

Hey they better not overlook SUNYIT.  Cuz...well....nevermind

Jacketfan
You're right they better not. It's the last time the SUNYIT Wildcats will suit up for a SUNYAC game, as they're leaving the conference after this year. I'm sure they'd like nothing better than to go out with a W. That being said, it would be the upset of the year in the SUNY conference, should they pull it off.

[magicman]

Chicago also wins.  WashU and Chicago still control their own fate for the UAA AQ.  Brandeis needs to winout and help from Chicago. 

If Chicago wins the UAA, the UAA has a very realistic shot at 4 teams in the NCAAs.

Precisely, hugenerd, because the UAA gets to put a contender into the Pool C calculations in each region in which they have a contender.

Possibly the statistically weakest team, Chicago enters as the Pool A bid.  Let's assume that Chicago is the Pool A bid.

Rochester's chance at a Pool C bid comes out of the East Region.  Rochester is most likely the East Region leading Pool C bid.

Wash StL is in the Midwest Region.  If Augie wins the CCIW tourney, they have inflicted another loss on Wheaton, Elmhurst and IWU.  Lawrence probably wins the MWC.  Thus, WUSTL is the leading Pool C candidate from the Midwest Region.

Brandeis is in the Northeast Region.  They are currently regionally ranked #3, trailing Amherst and UMass-Dartmouth.  Losing to Chicago, but beating NYU probably doesn't hurt their New England Regional Ranking too badly, especially if Amherst, UMass-Dartmouth and WPI inflict losses in their conference tourneys.

Voila, 4 UAA's in the tourney.

The challenge for a "mono-region" conference, e.g., the CCIW, is that the CCIW can only bring one team to the table at a time from the Midwest Region.

Great possibilities guys but I don't think Chicago wins the Pool A bid. That will go to Washington or Brandeis, making Chicago a bubble Pool C bid. I could be wrong but I think the UAA only get three teams and Chicago is the odd man out, especially if any of the region's top seeds get bumped off in their conference tournament. If all the current conference leaders get the Pool A  bids then they might have a shot at a Pool C.

[Cards7580]

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Hey they better not overlook SUNYIT.  Cuz...well....nevermind ....."

The post Cortland game team meeting gives me an indication that the SENIORS will not allow for a let down to occur.  They understand the Historical significance to SUNYAC and Plattsburgh and how much they are playing for themselves, and all those that came before. 

[Jacketfan2011]

Jacketfan
You're right they better not. It's the last time the SUNYIT Wildcats will suit up for a SUNYAC game, as they're leaving the conference after this year. I'm sure they'd like nothing better than to go out with a W. That being said, it would be the upset of the year in the SUNY conference, should they pull it off.
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IMHO, it would be the upset of the year if SUNYIT beat the Plattsburgh cheerleaders