South Region playoffs

Bill McCabe · October 14, 2005, 04:36:10 PM

Cleveland, I think HSU having a bye actually hurt them going into their game with UMHB. Early in the game, they were not sharp at all. It seemed to make a difference. I'm glad there are no longer byes, because it lets 4 more teams into the field.

Cleveland Cartel · October 14, 2005, 05:04:48 PM

Bill
I could not agree with you anymore. I believe it is a good thing in Div 3 football because there are so many quality teams in the past that did not get in the playoffs. Compared to Div 1 these kids do not get scholarships or the glamour. They truly love the game for what it is, and dont get me wrong I know the D 1 boys love playing ball. But it is easier to be involved with something that you get a free ride to school, possible future money, and all the spotlight from kirk Herbstreet Lee Corso and crew. They appreciate the game and realize they have only four more years to put it down and finish their football careers they way they want it to be written.

It is four more teams and I am happy to see the playoffs expanding personally. We will really see who is mentally prepared to play the required games to play in the Stagg Bowl, and who is prepared to show their team is the full package!

Josh Bowerman · October 14, 2005, 07:29:09 PM

Kid, there is NO WAY that the PAC and the ACFC each get two and ETBU gets left out with only one DIII loss to HSU.

I assume that you think they'll lose to UMHB, but you didn't even calculate them on your chart! TMC either! That's a very Middle Atlantic-centric chart you've got up there.

Matt Barnhart (kid) · October 14, 2005, 09:44:32 PM

Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 14, 2005, 07:29:09 PM
Kid, there is NO WAY that the PAC and the ACFC each get two and ETBU gets left out with only one DIII loss to HSU.

I assume that you think they'll lose to UMHB, but you didn't even calculate them on your chart! TMC either! That's a very Middle Atlantic-centric chart you've got up there.

I'll repeat what I said in my post...

I just considered South Region teams with one or less in-region losses (using my projected outcomes). Just my opinion, lol ... no need to get snippy.

Josh Bowerman · October 14, 2005, 11:24:40 PM

Not snippy, just kinda surprised, that's all.

PittTBCW · October 15, 2005, 01:57:17 AM

There is no doubt that Mount is one of the best teams in the country let alone probably the best program. To say that W&J or Thiel could not compete with them is another story. I am not saying they would beat them...do not jump to that conclusion but compete with them is another story. Hate to say it but on any day pretty much anyone can beat anyone and to say a top 3 mount team is that much better then two end of the year top 12 teams is crazy!

Would love to see one of them match up with Mount to see where the PAC is.

Like I said before they may not beat them but would compete!

badbadman · October 15, 2005, 09:30:17 AM

If CNU wins the USAC, with only 9 D3 games, 2 losses, and a 6-1 regional record, I think they probably would be seeded lower.

Ron Boerger · October 15, 2005, 02:03:42 PM

Quote from: PittTBCW on October 15, 2005, 01:57:17 AM
There is no doubt that Mount is one of the best teams in the country let alone probably the best program. To say that W&J or Thiel could not compete with them is another story. I am not saying they would beat them...do not jump to that conclusion but compete with them is another story. Hate to say it but on any day pretty much anyone can beat anyone and to say a top 3 mount team is that much better then two end of the year top 12 teams is crazy!

Would love to see one of them match up with Mount to see where the PAC is.

Like I said before they may not beat them but would compete!

Thiel is trailing Waynesburg 14-0 in the first quarter. While they may come back and win, I don't think you need to be worrying about how competitive they might be with Mount. The answer is "not."

Cleveland Cartel · October 16, 2005, 02:42:48 AM

Ronald,

Never judge a book by its cover....

or a team by the way they play in a half.....

And don't underestimate waynesburg either....

Give yourself minus karma

Dutch12 · October 16, 2005, 08:12:57 AM

I'm a huge Thiel fan, but for the most part I think I would have to agree with Ron on this one. There is no doubt Thiel is having a great year, but to say they are on the same level as Mount is a huge stretch. I think to be competitive with Mount, Thiel would have to play their best game ever and Mount would have to play pretty bad.

Thiel is a legit playoff team though, they did get down 14-0 to W&J and 21-0 to Waynseburg, but they were able to come back and win both games on the road where plenty of teams have struggled to win. That I think speaks volumes of how this team is coached and the character of this team to never give up.

Cleveland Cartel · October 16, 2005, 12:53:54 PM

dutch,

I never did disagree with Ron about who would win or lose. His words on Thiel being down to Waynesburg 14-0 in the first half has no implications on who would win the matchup with Mount and Thiel. If you compared the first 6 games and maybe the history over the last 10 years we would have an overwhelming agreement with the verdict going to Mount. But to say they would not be competitive and lose becaues they are down 14-0 at half is no valid comparison.

Ron Boerger · October 16, 2005, 04:06:52 PM

Quote from: Cleveland Cartel on October 16, 2005, 12:53:54 PM
dutch,

I never did disagree with Ron about who would win or lose. His words on Thiel being down to Waynesburg 14-0 in the first half has no implications on who would win the matchup with Mount and Thiel. If you compared the first 6 games and maybe the history over the last 10 years we would have an overwhelming agreement with the verdict going to Mount. But to say they would not be competitive and lose becaues they are down 14-0 at half is no valid comparison.

In your opinion, pseudonymous one. Besides, the point you raise is not the same as the one I was making.

If you can't come out and whip the butt of an unranked (~.500) team, you're not going to compete with Mount. Waynesburg didn't have the horses to take advantage of that lead, and the Raiders will just keep pilin' on. Thiel is having a great season, but there's a huge difference between simply being undefeated in the regular season and being at the top of the D3 pyramid. Many of us who have been following D3 for years understand that.

Cleveland Cartel · October 16, 2005, 04:43:36 PM

Ron,

With your years of experience and use of large words you well know that the Waynesburg game is the classic reason why you play every saturday. Nothing is to be taken for grant it in any division and that is why Mount is never penciled in the National Championship game every year. They know they are the best around and a top the D3 pyramid, but if you don't come out to play every saturday you will not be invited to the playoffs. They did not whip their butts NO, do they really need to? Would it be good to you? Should they have?

Bottom Line: Thiel showed character and backbone coming back to win at Waynesburg. They got the W peroid...

Pat Coleman · October 16, 2005, 05:22:01 PM

Oh, let's be reasonable. Being down 21-0 to Waynesburg is the equivalent of being down 56-0 on Mount Union. That's just reality. Mount Union doesn't make unforced mistakes.

Toby Taff · October 16, 2005, 05:54:26 PM

Pat,

Isn't asking for reason from a fan oxymoronic in some way?

That would be like trying to convince one of the Ferrumites that they're not worthy of a top 25 spot.