South Region playoffs

kickerdad · November 23, 2007, 04:10:03 PM

Does anyone know who sets the kickoff time for the playoff games? Seems odd that during the season, 90% of the games start at 1:00 PM or after. I notice that most of the games this weekend are at noon. However a few are 1:00 PM. Is there any rhyme or reason for this?

PA_wesleyfan · November 23, 2007, 04:20:36 PM

kickerdad

One reason is the the changing of the clocks from daylight savings time... When the time was changed holloween weekend a lot of teams changed to12:00 because of the early sunset.

old ends · November 23, 2007, 04:24:42 PM

How many of the DIV III teams have light's? Next year Dickinson is going to have them. Would love to see a night game in the late summer there.

Good luck to all teams Saturday

kickerdad · November 23, 2007, 04:31:36 PM

Quote from: old ends on November 23, 2007, 04:24:42 PM
How many of the DIV III teams have light's? Next year Dickinson is going to have them. Would love to see a night game in the late summer there.

Good luck to all teams Saturday

We played 3 night games this year. One of course was at Salem and that stadium is owned by the city......Guilford and Shenandoah both have lights. Night games are exciting but they can put a strain on you if you have to travel 4 hours or longer.

Pat Coleman · November 23, 2007, 10:15:53 PM

Actually, all Division III playoff games are at noon local time. Some are in the Eastern time zone and some in Central.

Ralph Turner · November 24, 2007, 07:14:31 PM

South Region playoffs come down to the best 2 teams. Did anyone really doubt that two weeks ago? I am actually glad that UMHB was #4, so that this meeting would occur in the third week. I actually think that UMHB should have been seeded #1 and Wesley #2. I also wonder if Trinity wasn't at least the 4th best team in the Region, just barely behind an undefeated Muhlenberg.

I still believe that the northern half of the region gets an advantage by the proximity to multiple conferences. This permits the permutations of OWP and OOWP to play out to their fullest.

I wish that Miss College and Millsaps had been able to play the northern teams in the region!

Teamski · November 24, 2007, 09:00:28 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 07:14:31 PM
South Region playoffs come down to the best 2 teams. Did anyone really doubt that two weeks ago? I am actually glad that UMHB was #4, so that this meeting would occur in the third week. I actually think that UMHB should have been seeded #1 and Wesley #2. I also wonder if Trinity wasn't at least the 4th best team in the Region, just barely behind an undefeated Muhlenberg.

And you say this why? I believe Wesley had the tougher schedule, unless I missed something.....

-Ski

Ralph Turner · November 24, 2007, 09:05:25 PM

Ski, I think we settle that one on Saturday.

Teamski · November 25, 2007, 12:22:25 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 09:05:25 PM
Ski, I think we settle that one on Saturday.

Of course.....

-Ski

roocru · November 26, 2007, 11:28:39 PM

Once again just posting this for everyone's enjoyment and edification. No claims being made on my part.

I stuck to the South Region this week and added some individual rankings as well!

Category      Rank   Actual   National Leader   Actual
Total Offense (231 ranked)
   UMHB   2   526.5   Mount Union   548.3
   Wesley   9   486.3
Total Defense (231 ranked)
   Wesley   16   258.8   Mount Union   128.4
   UMHB   20   265.4
Rushing Offense (231 ranked)
   UMHB   1   382.4   Mary Hardin-Baylor   382.4
   Wesley   14   261.3
Rushing Defense (231 ranked)
   UMHB   2   36.2   Mount Union   12.8
   Wesley   21   88.8
Passing Offense (231 ranked)
   Wesley   69   224.9   Guilford   376.9
   UMHB   192   144.1
Pass Efficiency Defense (231 ranked)
   Wesley   14   91.8   Mount Union   71.5
   UMHB   44   100.9
Scoring Offense (231 ranked)
   UMHB   1   56.1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   56.1
   Wesley   12   38.1
Scoring Defense (231 ranked)
   UMHB   31   16.8   Mount Union   4.1
   Wesley   33   16.8
Turnover Margin (231 ranked)
   UMHB   2   2.1   Whitworth   2.6
   Wesley   132   -0.2
Team Kickoff Returns (231 ranked)
   Wesley   6   23.91   Wis.-La Crosse   26
   UMHB   204   16.75
Team Punt Returns (231 ranked)
   Wesley   18   12.82   Ithaca   18.06
   UMHB   35   11.46
Team Tackles for Loss (231 ranked)
   UMHB   1   11.4   Mary Hardin-Baylor   11.4
   Wesley   17   9.3
Team Pass Sacks (231 ranked)
   UMHB   5   4.08   Capital   4.55
   Wesley   56   2.67
Team Passing Efficiency (231 ranked)
   UMHB   6   161.74   Mount Union   193.39
   Wesley   36   140.24
Pass Sacks Allowed (231 ranked)
   UMHB   3   0.67   Mount Ida   0.6
   Wesley   14   1.00   Springfield   0.6
Kickoff Return Defense (231 ranked)
   UMHB   26   15.58   Lewis & Clark   11.96
   Wesley   70   17.74
Punt Return Defense (231 ranked)
   Wesley   50   6   Tufts   1.8
   UMHB   79   7.24
Turnovers Lost (231 ranked)
   UMHB   121   24   Hobart   7
   Wesley   191   29
Turnovers Gained (231 ranked)
   UMHB   1   49   Mary Hardin-Baylor   49
   Wesley   52   27
Passes Had Intercepted (231 ranked)
   UMHB   34   8   Rockford   2
   Wesley   47   9
Fumbles Lost (231 ranked)
   UMHB   212   16   Allegheny   2
   Wesley   229   20   Manchester   2
Passes Intercepted (231 ranked)
   UMHB   1   28   Mary Hardin-Baylor   28
   Wesley   36   18
Team Net Punting (231 ranked)
   UMHB   33   33.72   Occidental   39.02
   Wesley   88   31.56
Fumbles Recovered (231 ranked)
   Wesley   2   21   Shenandoah   22
   UMHB   121   9

Category      Player   Rank   Actual   National Leader   Actual
Rushing Yards Per Game (500 ranked)
   UMHB   Jarvis Thrasher   7   145.4   Robert Heller, Waynesburg   197.8
   Wesley   Mike Pennewell   14   131.2
   UMHB   Quincy Daniels   22   115.9
   Wesley   Aaron Jackson   166   61.0
   UMHB   Chris Owen   307   41.1
   Wesley   Alpha Koroma   391   30.8
   UMHB   Josh Welch   500   22.3
Passing Efficiency (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Jason Schatz   41   138.80   Greg Micheli, Mount Union   202.2
   UMHB   Josh Welch   NR   153.89
Total Offense (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Jason Schatz   72   217.5   Jason Boltus, Hartwk   399.7
   UMHB   Jarvis Thrasher   165   145.4
   Wesley   Mike Pennewell   189   131.2
   UMHB   Josh Welch   204   124.3
   UMHB   Quincy Daniels   212   115.9
   Wesley   Aaron Jackson   403   61
   UMHB   Josh Saenz   445   53.3
Receptions Per Game (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Michael Clarke   241   3.7   Hagen Miller, Guilford   10.3
   Wesley   Jon Lanouette   322   3.3
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   343   3.2
   UMHB   Patrick Oliver   476   2.6
Receiving Yards Per Game (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Michael Clarke   105   69.9   Jack Phelan, Hartwk   148
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   189   55.5
   UMHB   Patrick Oliver   227   50.9
   Wesley   Jon Lanouette   312   42.7
Scoring (500 ranked)
   UMHB   Jarvis Thrasher   10   11.5   Nate Kmic, Mount Union   15.5
   UMHB   Quincy Daniels   16   10
   UMHB   Joel Munoz   25   9.4
   Wesley   Collin Blugis   90
   UMHB   Chris Owen   129   6.5
   UMHB   Patrick Oliver   129   6.5
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   133   6.5
   Wesley   Michael Clarke   333   4.5
   Wesley   Mike Pennewell   411   4
All Purpose (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Jarvis Thrasher   30   151.4   Tyler Sherden, Luther   222
   UMHB   Quincy Daniels      137.2
   UMHB   Mike Pennewell   64   132.5
   UMHB   Chris Owen   328   80
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   66   131.5
   Wesley   Michael Clarke   405   71.3
   Wesley   Aaron Jackson   489   64.5
Punt Returns (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Blair Newman   12   14.1   Jason Chier, Ithaca   20.4
   UMHB   Brett Parker   15   13.8
Kickoff Returns (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   2   32.1   Kareen Moon, Wm. Paterson   34.8
   UMHB   NR   NR   NR
Field Goals Per Game (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Joel Munoz   33   0.9   Jeff Schebler, Wis.-Whitewater   1.9
   UMHB   Collin Blugis   45   0.8
Punting (500 ranked)
   Wesley   NR   NR   NR   Alex Groh, Occidental   45.9
   UMHB   NR   NR   NR
Interceptions (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Chet Turner   49   0.5   Phil Schroer, Neb. Wesleyan   1
   UMHB   Derr Williams   103   0.4
   UMHB   Brett Parker   176   0.4
   UMHB   Lee Munn   192   0.3
   Wesley   Trae Swann   199   0.3
   UMHB   Bryson Tucker   333   0.3
   UMHB   Elliott Barcak   468   0.2
   Wesley   Tim Stewart   468   0.2
   Wesley   Jeremiah Santiago   468   0.2
Total Tackles (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Sean Matthews   135   8.6   Jason Fielding, Westfield St.   15.7
   UMHB   Jerrell Freeman   207   8
   Wesley   Bryan Robinson   492   6.6
Solo Tackles (500 ranked)
   UMHB   Jerrell Freeman   371   3.9   Kyle Follweiler, Wilkes   9.4
   Wesley   Sean Matthews   463   3.8
Pass Sacks (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Bryan Robinson   21   1   Mike Czerwien, Waynesburg   2.1
   UMHB   Chad Hilton   82   0.7
   UMHB   William DeWease   167   0.5
   UMHB   Jerrell Freeman   169   0.5
   UMHB   Eric Henri   169   0.5
   Wesley   Michael Ward   169   0.5
   Wesley   Josh Nevid   375   0.4
Tackles For Loss (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Bryan Robinson   7   2.2   Mike Czerwien, Waynesburg   3.1
   UMHB   Jerrell Freeman   95   1.4
   UMHB   Eric Henri   115   1.3
   UMHB   William DeWease   133   1.3
   UMHB   Chad Hilton   176   1.2
   Wesley   Sean Matthews   176   1.2
   Wesley   Josh Nevid   272   1
   Wesley   Michael Ward   412   0.9
Forced Fumbles (500 ranked)
   UMHB   John Hamilton   67   0.27   Brian Cilento, Kean   0.6
   Wesley   Josh Jones   72   0.25
   UMHB   Ben Beckworth   136   0.2
   UMHB   Eric Henri   261   0.18
   UMHB   Jerrell Freeman   290   0.17
   UMHB   Jason Miller   290   0.17
   UMHB   Chad Hilton   290   0.17
   Wesley   Sean Matthews   290   0.17
   Wesley   Carlos James   440   0.11
   Wesley   Eston Ennis   440   0.11
Passes Defended (500 ranked)
   UMHB   Brett Parker   45   1.5   Rob Leighton, Maine Maritime   2.1
   Wesley   Chet Turner   50   1.4
   UMHB   Derr Williams   151   1.1
   UMHB   Elliott Barcak   155   1
   UMHB   Calvin Fleming   300   0.8
   Wesley   Jeremiah Santiago   155   1
   Wesley   Marcus Morris   380   0.8
   Wesley   Bryan Robinson   380   0.8
Passing Yards (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Jason Schatz   27   2531   Jason Boltus, Hartwk   3986
   UMHB   Josh Welch   161   1224
   UMHB   Josh Saenz   251   399
   UMHB   Patrick Oliver   296   78
   UMHB   Chris Owen   395   12
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   357   28
Rushing Yards (500 ranked)
   UMHB   Jarvis Thrasher   3   1745   Robert Heller, Waynesburg   2176
   Wesley   Mike Pennewell   6   1574
   UMHB   Quincy Daniels   12   1391
   Wesley   Aaron Jackson   128   671
   UMHB   Chris Owens   254   452
   Wesley   Alpha Koroma   312   369
   UMHB   Josh Welch   431   267
   UMHB   Josh Saenz   462   240
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   469   230
Receiving Yards (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Michael Clarke   56   839   Jack Phelan, Hartwk   1628
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   119   666
   UMHB   Patrick Oliver   170   560
   Wesley   Jon Lanouette   247   470
   UMHB   Cole Smith   473   306
Passing Yards Per Game (500 ranked)
   Wesley   Jason Schatz   60   210.9   Jason Boltus, Hartwk   362.4
   UMHB   Josh Welch   189   102
   UMHB   Josh Saenz   260   33.3
   UMHB   Patrick Oliver   299   7.1
   Wesley   Larry Beavers   370   2.3
   UMHB   Chris Owen   402   1.1

Teamski · November 27, 2007, 10:08:11 AM

Boy,

From those stats, I guess we can assume that Wesley will be pounded into oblivion, hehehehehe.....

-Ski

old ends · November 27, 2007, 04:18:21 PM

I love those numbers.. which really do not show that much of a difference overall. There is only a 40 yard difference in overall total offense and a 7 yd difference in total defense. Turnover ratio is greater for UMHB by 2. Looks like for Wesley to win-- Hold onto the ball-- stop long runs--get longer runs-- tell UMHB that the game is in Dover NJ not DE. that was an attemp at humor.

Really overall game look to be close.

muledaddy · August 04, 2008, 08:12:42 PM

Good evening ,

Wesley looks pretty impressive preseason.......same record as everyone else....let the games begin...

in Beijing, Dover, and Allentown........looking for a rematch in November...enjoy the games...

Josh Bowerman · November 02, 2008, 01:38:13 AM

Interesting things after today's games. Trinity losing was predictable, though I personally thought the game would have been a little closer. W&J losing to Thomas More wasn't unforeseen, as the Saints have been having a nice season. The two together, though, have a significant impact on the South Region playoffs this year. Here are my fan projections and analysis with two weeks left to go...

My Projected South Region Playoff Seeds(based on SOS standings)
1. Millsaps
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor
3. Hardin-Simmons
4. Wesley
5. Thomas More
6. Catholic
7. USAC Rep (Christopher Newport or Ferrum)
8. SLIAC Rep (LaGrange or Huntingdon)

My Projected South Region First-Round Playoff Pairings
8. SLIAC Rep at 1. Millsaps
3. Hardin-Simmons at 2. Mary Hardin-Baylor

7. USAC Rep at 4. Wesley
6. Catholic at 5. Thomas More

My Analysis
1. Washington and Jefferson's loss today almost assures that a South Region team will get shipped out of region for the first round. Muhlenberg is the most likely candidate--and this projection gets shipped to the East Region as the 1 or 2 seed, assuming they win one of their final two games. Thomas More could also get shipped into the North Region.

The pairings listed above work out so that there are no flights in the first round. In this scenario, there could potentially be only one flight, and that would be for the regional final--but there would be a maximum of three flights. If Thomas More gets shipped to the North Region, there's a guaranteed flight for the regional final, but that could potentially be the only flight in this region. In the Thomas More scenario, there's a maximum of two flights.

2. Washington & Jefferson losing, most unfortunately, also all but assures another first round rematch for the two ASC teams, Hardin-Simmons and Mary Hardin-Baylor, with the winner traveling to Jackson, MS to play Millsaps in the second round. Millsaps deservs a home game, and the only way they can host without a flight is by being paired against either the SLIAC Rep or Mary Hardin-Baylor. Since the committee will likely look less favorably upon a 1 vs. 2 seed matchup in the first round than they would a conference rematch (which they seem to have no problem with when dealing with the Texas teams), it's likely they will choose the "lesser" of two evils and re-match the two ASC teams in the first round.

I can't see the NCAA breaking with precedent (i.e. spending money on flights in the South Region) just to create a more "fair" bracket for the two ASC teams.

3. With the W&J loss paired with Millsaps dismantling of Trinity, it looks fairly iffy that the SCAC or the PAC will get at-large bids. Washington & Jefferson probably has a slightly better shot than Trinity, but since there are only six at-large berths, they're going to have to make their case against a lot of teams that are ahead or virtually even with them in the SOS rankings to get one. Some of these teams include (in no particular order):

The Oxy/Willamette loser
The Mt. Union/Otterbein loser
Trine (if they lose to Adrian)
RPI (if they lose to Hobart)
The Huntingdon/LaGrange Loser
Montclair State
Rowan
Hampden-Sydney
Hardin-Simmons
Wisconsin-Whitewater
The Christopher Newport/Ferrum Loser

With only two weeks left in the season, it will certainly be interesting to see how everything gets fleshed out. This is how I see it breaking right now and why, though.

Ralph Turner · November 02, 2008, 02:50:13 AM

Thanks for your thoughts, Josh.

I think that the committee can get a "cleaner" bracket if they make an undefeated Muhlenberg the #1 seed (or even #2 seed), and ship Thomas More to the "north".

2) Millsaps (SCAC "A") vs 8 ) SLIAC Pool B either Huntingdon or LaGrange.
3) UMHB (ASC "A") vs 4) HSU (Pool C)

1) Muhlenberg (CC Pool "A") vs 7) Catholic (ODAC Pool "A")
5) Wesley (Pool B) vs 6) USA South (Pool "A")

I get Thomas More to Catholic as 493 miles on my attempt at Microsoft Maps shortest distance. (I hope that I am using the official version of the software.)