South Region playoffs

[Ralph Turner]

Sorry, my misunderstanding..
Geography trumps seeding in the South Region.

Nevertheless this is what the  bracket looks like to me this Sunday.

Wesley vs CNU
Muhlenberg vs W&L

TMC vs DPU
UMHB vs HSU

[algernon]

Well, I think that both Hampden-Sydney and Salisbury have an excellent shot at a bid, if they win out.  And, if both teams get a bid (along with Hardin-Simmons), then there will be 10 teams from the South Region in the tournament .... In that case, I think we might have DePauw hosting a North team and another South Region team traveling to play Delaware Valley or perhaps an Ohio team.

Actually, it's sort of funny that the South Region's Muhlenburg would travel south to visit the "East Region's" Delaware Valley.  (With teams from Pennsylvania to Maine, the East Region seems like it should be renamed the "Northeast Region".)

[wesleydad]

Ralph, the lower half would be loaded with the possible 2, 3, 4, and 5 seeds in it if depauw doesnt get shipped out.  with this bracket do you think hampden sydney gets in and gets sent to the east?

[Ryan Tipps]

I'll repost this in this thread, too, just for a point of reference. Here's my thinking:

... these are two scenarios I could see happening:

This assumes DePauw gets shipped North. (Probably makes the most sense from the South Region perspective.)
1. Wesley vs. 8. USA South winner
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. 5. Hardin-Simmons
3. Thomas More vs. 7. Hampden-Sydney
4. Washington & Lee vs. 6. Muhlenberg

This assumes Wesley gets shipped East. (Two travesties in this scenario with the Texas subbracket and the DPU/TMC pairing. But driving distance is the deciding factor.)
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. 5. Hardin-Simmons
2. DePauw vs. 3. Thomas More
4. Washington & Lee vs. 8. USA South winner
6. Muhlenberg vs. 7. Hampden-Sydney

[algernon]

How about this?
(records listed are if they win again this Saturday)

#8 CNU (6-4) @ #1 Wesley (9-0)
#7 Salisbury (7-2) @ #4 Hampden-Sydney (9-1)

#5 Hardin-Simmons (9-1) @ #2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (10-0)
#6 W&L (8-2) @ #3 Thomas More (10-0)

DePauw (10-0) hosts a North Region team
Muhlenburg (8-2) visits an East Region team

[Ryan Tipps]

#7 Salisbury (7-2)

Having played Wesley and Hampden-Sydney to the bone, Salisbury deserves a spot as much as many of the other playoff teams. (I mean this wholeheartedly.)

However, with a WashU./Chicago showdown this coming Saturday, I think one of them would have a much better shot at getting the third Pool B slot than would Salisbury. They look better on NCAA paper (Wash U., especially) than does SU. And I don't see SU getting in as a Pool C with so many one-loss teams still on the table.

[Ralph Turner]

The ASC always has a poor OWP/OOWP, and I think that we are not always given the benefit of the doubt that one should have for our geographic isolation.

On my ballot, we have #2 UMHB and #3 HSU (which are both in the Top 10 on d3football.com).  TMC and DPU would be 4/5.  If HSU beats TMC, I believe they deserve to host a playoff game.

[Frank Rossi]

We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/

[HSC85]

I am curious how the criteria of wins over regionally ranked teams and SOS are applied?  It seems that there will be teams chosen over teams based on geography or saving dollars, instead of a strict application of the selection criteria.  Especially when it comes to Pool C.  That is not a complaint.  It is just an observation.  Every team had that same chance to win the automatic qualifier.  I am just wondering how some decisions are made?  Maybe some of the more experienced posters could shed some light.

[Ron Boerger]

Geography and money are NOT factors in selecting teams.  They compare the top team in each region according to the selection criteria (which include OWP/OOWP/games against regionally ranked teams and a whole lot more).  The top team gets the first pool C bid and is replaced by the next team in that region, then the process is repeated with the three teams that weren't selected and the new one.  Repeat until all Pool C bids are passed out.  

Geography and money ARE factors in deciding who gets a home game and how the brackets are built once the teams are selected, which is why you always see Texas teams matched up in the first round if there are only two of them, regardless of conference affiliation, seed, logic, or anything else.

[HSC85]

I understand the process.  I just don't understand why there are criteria published as applicable and then the Regional Rankings come out and they are not applied.  It is harder to understand in the other regions.  I think the South Region is closer to the criteria than the other regions. 

Based on the Regional Rankings the top 6 pool C selections would be:

Wheaton
Courtland/Rowan
Ohio Northern
Monclair St/Rowan/Courtland St
Hardin Simmons
Coe

However if the selection criteria listed as primary are applied there would be a different mix.

[algernon]

So, these are the South teams who are an AQ or are ranked:

1.   Wesley 5-0 8-0                     Pool B
2.   Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0 9-0       Pool A
3.   DePauw 9-0 9-0                      Pool A
4.   Thomas More 9-0 9-0                 Pool A   
5.   Hardin-Simmons 8-1 8-1       Pool C
6.   Washington and Lee 7-2 7-2     Pool A
7.   Hampden-Sydney 8-1 8-1       Pool C
8.   Salisbury 4-2 6-2                  Pool B
9.   Muhlenburg   7-1  7-2           Pool A
10.   Ursinus        7-1  7-2           Pool C
NA   CNU   5-4  5-4                      Pool A

If each team wins out, then maybe we'll see the following (and I've put final regional/overall record, if they win out, in parentheses)?

CNU (6-4, 6-4) to Wesley (6-0, 9-0)
Hardin-Simmons (9-1, 9-1) to Mary Hardin-Baylor (9-0 / 10-0)
North Region team () to DePauw (10-0, 10-0)
W&L (8-2, 8-2) or Hampden-Sydney (9-1, 9-1) to Thomas More  (10-0, 10-0)
Muhlenburg (5-2, 7-2) to Hampden-Sydney (9-1, 9-1) or W&L (8-2, 8-2)

[short]

Depauw to the North. If Chicago or Wash U gets the last pool b spot that might push Depauw back to the South.  Or maybe sends Wittenburg south.  Witt is within 500 miles of Thomas More, Washington & Lee, Hampden-Sydney, and Muhlenburg while Depauw is only within 500 miles of Thomas More.

Bracket looking like this
Wesley 10-0
CNU 6-4

MHB 10-0
HSU 9-1

Witt 10-0
Muhlenburg 8-2

TM 10-0
WL 8-2

[labart96]

For the second year in a row, we'll have Dr. Joy Solomen, Chair of the tournament selection committee on ITH tomorrow night - shows starts at 7:30 PM ET. 

Please post your questions here once the selections have been made so we can work them into our interview accordingly (we'll have plenty of our own, but always open to input).

You can tune into ITH - www.inthehuddLLe.com - to hear the interview with Dr. Solomen as well as catch a live reading of the ECAC match ups as we expect to get those around 8:00-30 PM ET and plan to announce them live on the show.

[PA_wesleyfan]

Some of the losses today combined with the upset losses last week have  things a bit for the brackets