South Region playoffs

[Llamaguy]

Although the South region seedings look a little out of wack, the NCAA has set the potential qualifiers just about the way we have been calling it.

With Salisbury at #8, and Wesley at #10, the loser this week stays home for the playoffs. Then Washington & Jefferson at #9 moves to the East bracket as the final Pool B spot.

This leaves us a solid 8 South region teams to duke it out on the field. Current first round senario would play out as follows based of rankings and more importantly, geography.

Hardin-Simmons #6 @ Trinity #1
Bridgewater #5 @ Ferrum #2
Salisbury/Wesley #8 @ UMHB #3
Johns Hopkins #7 @ Thiel #4


Now after a couple of losses all of this will change but it looks pretty good at week 8.

[PittTBCW]

Good Work!

[Ralph Turner]

Llama guy, let me try to understand your brackets!


Hardin-Simmons #6 @ Trinity #1
Bridgewater #5 @ Ferrum #2

Salisbury/Wesley #8 @ UMHB #3
Johns Hopkins #7 @ Thiel #4


I think that the second round will have the "Texas Sub-bracket ", with Trinity hosting, IF they win  ,

Hardin-Simmons #6 @ Trinity #1
Salisbury/Wesley #8 @ UMHB #3


and the Mid-Atlantic sub-bracket

Bridgewater #5 @ Ferrum #2
Johns Hopkins #7 @ Thiel #4

with Ferrum hosting the second round game.

I am thinking that geographic proximity rules.

[Llamaguy]

Right on Ralph!

Trinity hosts throughout. Barring any upsets it looks as though the Texas sub-bracket holds. Even if Ferrum lost to CNU and either CNU or Methodist won the tiebreaker in the USAC it still works. I see it as if Ferrum gets a Pool C bid under that senario, then either Salisbury/Wesley winner or Johns Hopkins moves to the East with W&J. That is assuming the Ferrum Pool C would be over or take the place of a St. John's Fischer for example. The match-ups may change but the Texas & Mid Atlantic sub-regionals still hold true.

[Josh Bowerman]

So I guess DePauw is entirely out of the picture, owing to the fact that they're not ranked in the North or the South.

A Ferrum loss had better drop them at least five slots.  I've never seen anything like them at #2 in region before.  Shesh. 

And speaking of surprises, the top four didn't surprise me much, other than I'd never have put Ferrum there.  But Bridgewater over HSU bugs me, and it's not just because I'm a HSU fan.  The Cowboys only loss is to the previous #2 team in the country in UMHB, and their QOWI is over a full point better than Bridgewater's.  Plus, B'Water's loss is to a 4-3 McDaniel team.

Since seedings and geography don't match up, why'd the NCAA do that?

[Ron Boerger]

It seems like the south committee didn't read the criteria right.  It was the only region to have a lot of "huh" moments   

Just because a team's not in the top 10 now doesn't mean they are out (tho it certainly doesn't help).  There are still three weeks of f'ball and some of these teams will be losing. 

[narch]

llama - no usasac team will get a pool c bid - it's the aq or watching from the stands (as it should be) - ferrum and mc didn't play a strong enough ooc schedule, and cnu didn't win the ooc games that would have made them a pool c contender - a ferrum loss (monarch fans are hoping for 2 ) will drop them further than 5 spots, in my opinion

[mizzou_mafia]

So I guess DePauw is entirely out of the picture, owing to the fact that they're not ranked in the North or the South.

A Ferrum loss had better drop them at least five slots. I've never seen anything like them at #2 in region before. Shesh.

And speaking of surprises, the top four didn't surprise me much, other than I'd never have put Ferrum there. But Bridgewater over HSU bugs me, and it's not just because I'm a HSU fan. The Cowboys only loss is to the previous #2 team in the country in UMHB, and their QOWI is over a full point better than Bridgewater's. Plus, B'Water's loss is to a 4-3 McDaniel team.

Since seedings and geography don't match up, why'd the NCAA do that?

Yeah, for that matter, why isn't JHU seeded higher, especially with Ferrum at #2.  I'm not sure about BC's higher seeding either.  Ever since McDaniel lost it's top several QBs, they haven't been the same, and they certainly aren't a playoff squad... so BC has 0 wins over ranked teams, just like HSU...would think HSU would get the higher ranking.  I can see UMHB getting ranked over Thiel because they do have a win over a regionally ranked team.

[Llamaguy]

And speaking of surprises, the top four didn't surprise me much, other than I'd never have put Ferrum there.  But Bridgewater over HSU bugs me, and it's not just because I'm a HSU fan.  The Cowboys only loss is to the previous #2 team in the country in UMHB, and their QOWI is over a full point better than Bridgewater's.  Plus, B'Water's loss is to a 4-3 McDaniel team.

Since seedings and geography don't match up, why'd the NCAA do that?

I'm a Bridgewater fan and I'm with you on this one Josh. I figured BC to be somewhere between 7-9. My hypothesis still is that this all may change next week. Since the rankings were a day late, did the NCAA forget they were supposed to release them and just throw something together for this week?  Atleast they have the right top 10 picked, just in a weird order.

[Hug]

narch,

Catch my up on the U-SAC. If Ferrum wins out, we know they are in. And will probably stay around a 2-4 seed. What if CNU and Meth win out, how would the scenerio play out. Coin flip?

[Dutch12]

So I guess DePauw is entirely out of the picture, owing to the fact that they're not ranked in the North or the South.

 I can see UMHB getting ranked over Thiel because they do have a win over a regionally ranked team.

I don't have a problem with UMHB behing ahead of Thiel, but Thiel also has a win against a regionally ranked team. 

[narch]

hug - you're absolutely right - if cnu and mc win out, 3 teams will be 6-1 in conference and all will be 1-1 in head-to-head competition - all other tie-breakers will be exhausted, so they will flip a coin to determine the aq winner...of course, i'm holding out hope that g'boro or ncwc (or both) will pull out a victory vs. ferrum, then cnu beats the panthers, in which case the tie-break between mc and cnu will be head-to-head...it would be nice to get that first ncaa birth outright rather than via coin flip, but i would take it either way if it came

[Josh Bowerman]

Mizzou, I agree w/ you RE:  Hopkins.

[mizzou_mafia]

I can see UMHB getting ranked over Thiel because they do have a win over a regionally ranked team.

I don't have a problem with UMHB behing ahead of Thiel, but Thiel also has a win against a regionally ranked team. 

Ah, glad you caught me on that!

[mandfense]

No way JHU should be any lower than 5th in the region.  I have no problem with them being behind the 3 Texas teams or Thiel, since Thiel beat W&J.  No way they should be behind Bridgewater and Ferrum, especially if the committee uses the criteria they say they use (ie. QOWI).

IF JHU goes 10-0, winning their conference, the last 2 on the road against McDaniel (who beat BC, albeit a different team than Game 1) and HS-C, and don't get a home playoff game, that would be an absolute injustice. 

You can't punish a team for playing the schedule they're dealt and winning all the games on that schedule.

Of course, anything can happen in those games so it may be a moot point.