South Region playoffs

[narch]

nc isn't the "deep south", but it has always amazed me how many d2 schools there are (and some very good d2 football programs, to boot) - the concept of d2 just escapes me - i understand (but don't agree with) the d1 philosophy of fully subsidizing athletes (primarily for the financial gain of the institution), but d2 makes little sense to me...if you can't fully subsidize, why bother at all? take that same $$$ you are spending on athletic scholly's, throw it into a need-based financial aid system and go d3 rather than trying to pretend that you're almost as good as the d1's

oh yeah...this is the playoff watch forum...ferrum shouldn't be the #2 seed in the south, and they will get exposed either this week or next or, hopefully for monarch fans, both

[Jamnqb10]

Narch
You might be right, FC could get exposed today or next week. That is always a possibility (But unlikely)  We all know they are working a weak division.  But obviously someone thinks they deserve to be ranked 2nd.  Thats the GREAT thing about DIII vs DI, the playoff system will truly tell us who deserves to be where.   Good luck to the Monarchs today!

BlackHats Forever!

[Llamaguy]

Early scenario post Week 10:

South Region Round 1:

#1 Trinity hosts #6 Hardin-Simmons
#2 Ferrum hosts #5 Bridgewater
#3 UMHB Hosts #7 DePauw
#4 Thiel host #8 Johns Hopkins


More to come once the rest of results are analyzed. Now I need sleep. LOL!

* obviously in this scenario W&J & Wesley head to the East bracket.

Any thoughts?

[Ralph Turner]

Llamaguy, DePauw must defeat Wabash in the Monon Bell game.

Wabash is in great shape to get the #1 seed in the North.

I still haven't penciled DPU into a Pool C bid.

[Llamaguy]

Llamaguy, DePauw must defeat Wabash in the Monon Bell game.

Wabash is in great shape to get the #1 seed in the North.

I still haven't penciled DPU into a Pool C bid.

But it sure would make the NCAA happy now wouldn't it? South Region without a flight until the finals.

[religion_major]

Question on the table: Would the NCAA respect confrence games for a pool B confrence the way that it does for a pool A?  Would they still try to avoid a first round matchup between members of the same pool B confrence?

[Ralph Turner]

Religion Major, I think that they would avoid a rematch until the 2nd round regardless of the nature of the game, conference, in-region, rivalry game, non-conference game.

[Josh Bowerman]

Assuming everyone wins out that is supposed to, I think Lamaguy's prediction is right on.  Pat's intimation that John Carroll might sneak into the south bracket earlier this week was interesting and plausible, but I don't think the OAC is going to get two in now that all the second place teams have two in-conference losses.

The only one I might question is DePauw, but they could also go into the north bracket quite easily.  We'll see.

[Pat Coleman]

Llamaguy, DePauw must defeat Wabash in the Monon Bell game.

Wabash is in great shape to get the #1 seed in the North.

I still haven't penciled DPU into a Pool C bid.

But it sure would make the NCAA happy now wouldn't it? South Region without a flight until the finals.

It's a flight from DePauw to UMHB.

[Bwana]

Maybe this is in the FAQ-if so, pls don't flame me.

Typically when you have an 8-team/person field, you get the initial draw and then the winners of 1v8 and 4v5 play each other, and the winners of 2v7 and 3v6 the same.

Due to the travel expenses involved, the fact that some facilities are lacking, or a team did not put in paperwork to host a home game, are there any constraints such as that in the D3 field, especially after the first round? 

Is it really just a matter of each round pick the best travel arrangements while avoiding rematches in the first round, then repair after the first round?

After the initial field is selected, what rules or restrictions are in place for the remaining rounds?

[Llamaguy]

It's a flight from DePauw to UMHB.

Rut Rooo!  But a much closer flight than anyone from the Middle Atlantic. And no more driving to Ferrum for John Carroll. Its going to be quite a tough job for the NCAA committee this year. Someone or ones will be left out even with 4 extra spots. Wow!

[Pat Coleman]

Maybe this is in the FAQ-if so, pls don't flame me.

Typically when you have an 8-team/person field, you get the initial draw and then the winners of 1v8 and 4v5 play each other, and the winners of 2v7 and 3v6 the same.

Due to the travel expenses involved, the fact that some facilities are lacking, or a team did not put in paperwork to host a home game, are there any constraints such as that in the D3 field, especially after the first round? 

Is it really just a matter of each round pick the best travel arrangements while avoiding rematches in the first round, then repair after the first round?

After the initial field is selected, what rules or restrictions are in place for the remaining rounds?

They do not repair after the first round. The brackets are set.

Sometimes teams that are seeded to host do not file their paperwork (Bridgewater did this once) or do not have a sufficient facility to host a game (has happened to John Carroll, Carthage and Wesley). Also, sometimes the traditional 1-8/4-5; 2-7/3-6 format is broken up for travel purposes, to avoid extra airplane flights.

[Llamaguy]

Taken from the Play-off Projection page. Any Thoughts?

Quote from: eh ... just call me 'kid' on October 25, 2005, 05:28:15 pm
There are currently threads for Pool B bids, Pool C bids, the West Playoff Bracket, and the South Region Playoff Watch.

I just figured this could be the place to "put it all together."

After reading through the aforementioned threads, here is my best attempt:

Linfield Bracket (West)                       UW-Whitewater Bracket (North)
Central/Coe C                                     Albion/Alma/Hope A
Central/Coe/Wartburg A                        Aurora/Concordia/Lakeland A
Concordia-Moorhead/St. Olaf C              Augustana/North Central A
Linfield B                                              Mount Union C
Monmouth A                                        Mt. St. Joseph A
Occidental A                                        Ohio Northern A
St. John's A                                          UW-Whitewater A
Whitworth C                                        Wabash A
     
Rowan Bracket (East)                         Trinity (TX) Bracket (South)
Alfred/St. John Fisher C                          Bridgewater/Wash. & Lee A
Curry/Fitchburg St. A                            CNU/Ferrum/Methodist A
Delaware Valley A                                   Hardin-Simmons A
DePauw/Huntingdon C                            Johns Hopkins A
Hobart/Union A                                      Mary-Hardin Baylor C
Ithaca A                                                Salisbury/Wesley B
Rowan A                                               Thiel B
Wash. & Jeff. B                                       Trinity (TX) A

Your thoughts?





The Kid knows Playoff Projections!

Here are my thoughts after 2 weeks of results:

A few updates and a win by DePauw (which will be tough) and the brackets pretty much fall in line. Depauw switches to the South while Wesley moves East. Whitworth loses its spot to W&J, W&J heads North. UW-Whitewater moves back into the West while North Central takes the C bid and fills out the North bracket.

Last teams left out:

1) Cal Lutheran
2) Huntingdon

East: (No Longer Rowan) Del Val? Bracket             West:  Linfield Bracket
St John Fischer (C)                                               Central/Coe (A)
Curry/Fitchburg St. (A)                                           Central/Coe (C)
Delaware Valley (A)                                               Con-Moor (C)
Wesley (B)                                                            Linfield (B)
Union (A)                                                              Monmouth (A)
Ithica (A)                                                              Occidental (A)
Rowan (A)?                                                           St. John's (A)
Hobart/RPI (C)                                                      UW-Whitewater (A)


North: Mt Union (dang-it) Bracket                         South: Trinity (TX) Bracket
Albion (A)                                                            Bridgewater (A)
Lakeland (A)                                                         Ferrum (A)
Augustana (A)                                                      Hardin-Simmons (A)
North Central (C)                                                  UMHB (C)
Mt Union (A)                                                        Johns Hopkins (A)
Mt St, Joseph (A)                                                 Trinity (A)
Wabash (A)                                                         Thiel (B)
Washington & Jefferson (B)                                     DePauw (C)

Note: I could also see DePauw in the North with Wash & Jeff. staying in the South. Geographical decision for the NCAA to make.

*** Should DePauw lose to Wabash, I see the Committee having to decide between Cal Lutheran and a (2-loss) Capital.
   * If its Capital, they stay in the North, Wabash gets top seed over Mt. Union. W&J moves back South.
    **If its Cal Lutheran, Whitewater moves North and W&J back to the South.

[Josh Bowerman]

Should DePauw lose to Wabash, then Huntingdon will get the same or more consideration than Cal Lutheran and a 2-loss OAC team.

Every one of Cal Lutheran's wins has come against a team that is currently .500 or WORSE.

[Bwana]

Pat-

Gracias, mi amigo!

Explanation from Brother Coleman:
They do not repair after the first round. The brackets are set.

Sometimes teams that are seeded to host do not file their paperwork (Bridgewater did this once) or do not have a sufficient facility to host a game (has happened to John Carroll, Carthage and Wesley). Also, sometimes the traditional 1-8/4-5; 2-7/3-6 format is broken up for travel purposes, to avoid extra airplane flights.