South Region playoffs

[Llamaguy]

Should DePauw lose to Wabash, then Huntingdon will get the same or more consideration than Cal Lutheran and a 2-loss OAC team.

Every one of Cal Lutheran's wins has come against a team that is currently .500 or WORSE.

Good Point Josh. I have to admit that I am basing that strictly on QOWI.
Cal Lutheran 9.750  Huntingdon 8.600

Not to mention if Cal Lutheran gets in then the NCAA can split up the top 3 teams in the country by moving UW-Whitewater to the North.

Just my two-cents.

[enzoneking6]

i hope the playoffs this year consist of 1 v.8,2 v. 7, 3 v. 6, and so on because it seem like that NCAA is being cheap with d-3 football.

[Llamaguy]

i hope the playoffs this year consist of 1 v.8,2 v. 7, 3 v. 6, and so on because it seem like that NCAA is being cheap with d-3 football.

And that is why the D3 National Championship game has an 11 a.m. Eastern slot with ESPN.
That is life in D3 land.

No TV revenue = no voice for change.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

New poll posted.


Previous Question: Of the teams in Pat Coleman's south region projection, who would likely be the south's semis rep?
Bridgewater (Va.) - 8 (13.1%)
Ferrum - 4 (6.6%)
Hardin-Simmons - 10 (16.4%)
John Carroll - 0 (0%)
Johns Hopkins - 4 (6.6%)
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 22 (36.1%)
Thiel - 3 (4.9%)
Trinity (Texas) - 10 (16.4%)
   
Total Votes: 61

[Pat Coleman]

i hope the playoffs this year consist of 1 v.8,2 v. 7, 3 v. 6, and so on because it seem like that NCAA is being cheap with d-3 football.

And that is why the D3 National Championship game has an 11 a.m. Eastern slot with ESPN.
That is life in D3 land.

No TV revenue = no voice for change.

Actually, there's good news -- the game is at 1 p.m. this year.

[Ron Boerger]

One reason I hate QoWI is that it tends to make people overlook minor little things like losses.  Want to get blown out and still make the playoffs, and have a good seed?  Just lose to someone outside of your region.  Little things like 47-0 out-of-region shellackings don't show up in the QoWI. 

While I *think* Huntingdon should get consideration if DPU loses, I fear they will not.  The combination of being relatively unknown and the fact that they only played 8 D-I games this year are going to be hard to overcome.   That and one of their better wins of the season, yesterday at Westminster (Mo), won't show up in the QoWI because ... it's out of region.  Sigh.   Westminster's a lot closer to Montgomery than San Antonio, but the loss to Trinity counts and the W against Westminster does not.   

[Josh Bowerman]

Well, let me ask a question based on Bonzo's last post...

Exactly what does qualify as a regional contest?  I was under the impression that the main criteria was that it had to be within 500 miles.  If that were the case, Wesley's 47-0 loss to Brockport should count as in-region, owing to the fact that they're 425 (appx.) miles apart.

However, games between several ASC routinely exceed the 500 mile limit, yet are counted as in-region contests.  SRSU to MC is over 800 miles by itself!

I think I'd personally like QOWI as an indicator better if it either A)  counted all conference games by default or B)  got rid of the regional basis--which I don't understand in the first place--and counted all games against DIII competition.

[Ron Boerger]

Everyone gets stuck in a region, and there's no geographic limit on the size of a region.  That's why you have the MIAC and WIAC in the west along with the west coast teams, Texas in with teams from Penna and Indiana, etc... you know that Josh, but some other folks new to D3 might wonder.   All conference games are in-region by default, too (that's why all SCAC teams are South). 

Games between teams in different regions are considered "in region" only if the two are separated by 200 or fewer miles.  That's a great model for teams in the N and E region but not those in the W and S.  I have been agitating for a removal of the "regional" distinction for years now.  They're all D3 games, let 'em count as such. 

[Llamaguy]

i hope the playoffs this year consist of 1 v.8,2 v. 7, 3 v. 6, and so on because it seem like that NCAA is being cheap with d-3 football.

And that is why the D3 National Championship game has an 11 a.m. Eastern slot with ESPN.
That is life in D3 land.

No TV revenue = no voice for change.

Actually, there's good news -- the game is at 1 p.m. this year.

Thanks for that info Pat!!!! Stone Station won't have to set-up at 6 a.m. in the parkinglot this year. We will definitely be there with bells on though. 

[Ralph Turner]

Josh, the handbook lists the teams by region.  In addition, a game is also  designated as an in-region game, if the schools from different regions are within a 200 mile radius as determend by Microsoft Streets and Trips.

The 200 mile radius rule does not apply within the region.  Sul Ross and Wesley are still South Region teams, and DePauw is South Region by virtue of its membership in the SCAC.

DePauw, in Greencastle IN in the midst of the North Region Conferences' NCAC and the HCAC,  also gets to count any game within the 200 mile radius of Greencastle, including Wabash.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/football/2005/2005_d3_football_handbook.pdf

[Josh Bowerman]

I guess I should clarify.  My main question is why aren't all schools in the same conference slotted in the same region (read Wesley and Brockport State)?   Wesley's non-conference game versus DePauw game counted as an in-region game, but the conference blowout they suffered at the hands of Brockport State doesn't?  Furthermore, four of the six ACFC schools are already in the south evaluative region.

That makes exactly zero sense.  If DePauw is a de facto member of the south region vis a vis their conference affiliation, then the Brockport game ought to be a de facto in-region game for Wesley.

Opining on a Sunday evening...

[Ralph Turner]

Josh, the ACFC is not an officially recognized conference.

[Josh Bowerman]

Then why aren't the teams considered independents?

[religion_major]

Josh,
In the NCAA's opinion the ACFC is merely a way for independent football teams to schedule games.  The NCAA couldn't care less if Salisbury plays Brockport as a part of the ACFC or not.

[Ralph Turner]

Josh, according to the Handbook, they are independents.  I am not sure if the ACFC has any type of membership status in the NCAA.

What the ACFC does is give these independents 5 games, and next year 4 games, and a way to acknowledge performances, e.g., Conference champs, all-Conference, POTW.