South Region playoffs

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph, what is do you think of sending HSU to the West?

This involves one plane flight and probably no overnight expenses for W&J.

Wesley #1 hosts #8 CNU (Drive up the Atlantic Coast)
CMU #5 hosts #7 W&J  (only 20 miles from Washington, PA to Pittsburgh!)

UMHB #3 hosts #10 W&L -- only flight
Trinity #2 hosts #4 HSU -- if I am HSU, I like this.

#6 Dickinson goes East.

Bill, did UMHB drive to San Antonio and to Abilene and spend the night before the games in 2004?  More accurately, did the NCAA pay for UMHB to drive to San Antonio and to Abilene and spend the night before the games in 2004?

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

Llama, you are officially the Dali-llama!! I posted that before i read what came about the same time I hit the post button. But I gotcha. CNU to Dickinson huh. Damn NC Wesleyan!!

You got it man! Dickinson is a manageable matchup though.

Thanks llama, but they still have to win next Sunday. When they do (they better!), then Ill start picking everyone's brain again!

[Ralph Turner]

If I am sending Dickinson to the East, then what does the East look like?

E8
LL
NJAC
MAC
NEFC
Dickinson
Pool C
Pool C.

I think that the East gets 2 Pool C bids.  Please look on the Pool C board for a very comprehensive table compiled by llama guy.

[Bill McCabe]

Yes, they spent the night before the games.

[Llamaguy]

If I am sending Dickinson to the East, then what does the East look like?

E8
LL
NJAC
MAC
NEFC
Dickinson
Pool C
Pool C.

I think that the East gets 2 Pool C bids.  Please look on the Pool C board for a very comprehensive table compiled by llama guy.

That could very well be the case as well Ralph. I have SJF and Hobart winning tough games with one spot left in the East also. If Cortland State doesn't get in, either because they lost to Ithaca, or because Bethel or Wartburg got the last Pool C to fill out the West, then a South team must go East. Good call!

[K-Mack]

And, given that CMU and W&J are all of about 20 miles apart, I betcha those two schools play each other, should they both win out the rest of the way.

Unless they need one of them to be the Purple Raiders' sacrificial lamb.

I guess CMU/W&J and W&L/CNU makes sense ... but three of those four might not deserve a home game.

Wesley should be at home.
UMHB should be at home vs. SCAC champ
CMU should be at home
the fourth one is a crap shoot between two-loss CNU, two-loss

I guess they could fly someone into UMHB and have Trinity/Millsaps go to Hardin-Simmons.

I dunno. I guess I should read before I post.

This was another one I thought up earlier, without remembering W&J

HSU at Dickinson
Trinity/Millsaps at UMHB

CNU at Carnegie Mellon
W&L at Wesley

[K-Mack]

First of all portgrad, what is there to disagree with?  I never said it was an accomplishment to drub Bethany.  Second of all, it had everything to do with what snakehandler said.  Once again, I was just pointing it out to snakehandle because he wasn't "convinced they'll get by Bethany".

Lastly, Pat has jumped all over me as of late and I didn't think that my post deserved his retort.  Pat, I don't care what you say, or what you think of me, I've told you this before but give me a break man.  I don't think there was any reason to say what you said.  And you can post 14,000 more times and it won't change a thing will it?

I think in context, you're right, your response was to something snakehandler said, and was harmless.

But I also think you're going to need to toughen up if you're gonna be on the boards. If Pat or whoever disagrees with you, just let them disagree. No need to make it into a personal whinefest every time.

[K-Mack]

I am curious as to Carnegie Mellon's playoff chances, should they lose to Thiel on Saturday next.  I'm guessing--and thinking out loud here--because there are four Pool B spots and Linfield lost today, CMU will likely get the last Pool B spot (Behind Wesley, Whitworth and W&J) regardless of the outcome of the game.

Could this actually be sound reasoning?   

I think so.

W&J (at Bethany) is the only Pool B that can't afford to lose next week, as it would pick up a second loss and then bring other two-loss Pool Bs, of which there aren't many, to the cusp of the picture.

[BDTartan]

I see your point K-Mack, and I have already started my journey down that road.  I've decided to just stop the conversation short if it ever comes to that anymore.

I'm glad you think CMU should be at home.  I personally thought that even at 10-0 they would be playing outside of Pittsburgh.  They are no strangers to travel and flights.  Wash. U and Chicago are flights for them and they've flown out to Colorado College.  I don't know enough to say whether or not they're home or who they even play, but I'm all for a first round game at Gesling.  Good thing they put that new field turf in this past year.  I don't know about playing surfaces factoring in, but no team would have wanted to come play on the turf they had last year.

[PA_wesleyfan]

BDtartan

  Wesley actually was seeded higher than Trinity a few years back and because of the field condition and seating they had to play in Texas where they played in the aftermath of a big storm and ended up in the mud any way.

[BDTartan]

Wow, I bet that had to suck.  No need to worry about that at Gesling.  New field-turf and seating for about 3500.  Add the top of the parking garage and all the standing room you could want on the visitors side and I would say you could bump that up to about 5500.

[PA_wesleyfan]

Wesley has new turf too. Added seats on both side of the field and one end zone though I don't know the capacity. 

[BDTartan]

I notice more and more teams at all levels are going to the new Field-Turf.  I wonder what advantages it must have over other turfs or natural surfaces.

[K-Mack]

I notice more and more teams at all levels are going to the new Field-Turf.  I wonder what advantages it must have over other turfs or natural surfaces.

I don't know, as I never played on it, but there was a very noticable difference between the turf at Belton HS (UMHB) and Rowan. The former was more grasslike and the field surface softer. Rowan seemed like a faster track, shorter and probably would leave more scrapes and burns.

FWIW. The surfaces, according to teams, are a big part of going on the road in the playoffs, not knowing what shoes to bring,etc.

I think CMU, at 9-1, would be on the road, and maybe even shipped to the North or East. But with the abundance of teams in the South who are going to make playoffs with a loss or two, and with the so-called Texas sub-bracket, I think you have to reward CMU for the unbeaten year with the home game.

Wesley is going to host at 10-0.
UMHB, or one of the Texas teams, is going to host.

Then you've got:
CMU 10-0 possibly
Dickinson 10-0 possibly
Wash & Jeff. 9-1 ... these teams will have a common opponent, but all wins.
CNU 8-2 ... has a common opponent (Salisbury) to put them above W&J, and won't be shipped to UMHB
Hardin-Simmons (one loss)
Trinity (one loss) or Millsaps (three losses)
Wash. & Lee (two losses)

So all things considered, I think if CMU and Dickinson stay in the East, there's a good chance their unbeaten records will be rewarded. The QoWI may not allow it, but there is a chance.

And if you got to play at W&J, it would reward your fans with what's practically a home game, so you can't go wrong there.

[K-Mack]

Ralph, what is do you think of sending HSU to the West?

This involves one plane flight and probably no overnight expenses for W&J.

Wesley #1 hosts #8 CNU (Drive up the Atlantic Coast)
CMU #5 hosts #7 W&J  (only 20 miles from Washington, PA to Pittsburgh!)

UMHB #3 hosts #10 W&L -- only flight
Trinity #2 hosts #4 HSU -- if I am HSU, I like this.

#6 Dickinson goes East.

Bill, did UMHB drive to San Antonio and to Abilene and spend the night before the games in 2004?  More accurately, did the NCAA pay for UMHB to drive to San Antonio and to Abilene and spend the night before the games in 2004?

W & L at Dickinson is a manageable drive.

Depending on this week's results, the East might not need another team. If Cortland, St. John Fisher and Hobart win ...

Wilkes AQ
Rowan AQ
Springfield AQ
Curry AQ
Hobart Pool C 9-1
Union AQ
Cortland Pool C 9-1
SJF Pool C 9-1

Then you figure maybe CMU or W&J goes to the North bracket, maybe to Capital or Mount Union.

Or maybe someone unexpected loses and changes everything.