South Region playoffs

[patcummings]

I really don't see the problem with CMU hosting Millsaps and W&J going to CNU.  Not talking about any other teams (Texas), I don't think there is an issue.  

Just because W&J is close to CMU does not mean that they should play each other.  40 miles or 250 miles is relatively the same to the committee.  250 versus 491 miles does not equate to the same thing.

[Ralph Turner]

I really don't see the problem with CMU hosting Millsaps and W&J going to CNU.  Not talking about any other teams (Texas), I don't think there is an issue.  

Just because W&J is close to CMU does not mean that they should play each other.  40 miles or 250 miles is relatively the same to the committee.  250 versus 491 miles does not equate to the same thing.

Pat, when does W&J leave their campus to travel to Newport News?

If they were playing in Pittsburgh, would they leave at the same time and get there 3 hours earlier?

[BDTartan]

How is 40 miles and 250 miles similar??  Now W&J drives down the day before and sleeps in a hotel.  If they were playing at CMU then they could have slept in their own beds.  

To be fair, some of us weren't just talking about travel.  How many Millsaps fans are going to be able to come to Gesling.  Secondly, W&J at CMU would have renewed an old PAC rivalry.

[roocru]

From the D3Football front page:

Why are the Texas teams playing each other in the first round? The NCAA says that although their approved mapping software for determining regional games (MSN Mappoint) spits out a 491.7 mile distance for Millsaps to get to Mary Hardin-Baylor, their mileage charts say the distance is over 500 miles. Therefore they're not allowed to bus Millsaps to UMHB. I think the discrepancy is something they are going to look into.  (next year)


Why the NCAA is using a different map than the one it tells its schools to use is not readily apparent.  ($$$$$$$)

[Bob.Gregg]

I'm going back to the Criteria/Human Factor issue that I raised last night.

For several weeks, W&J has been ranked regionally ahead of CNU.
I do not believe the criteria supported such a ranking, but there it was.

Now, I believe correctly, CNU is seeded ahead of W&J.
The Captains have a higher QOWI.
The Captains have a win over UMHB, a regionally-ranked opponent.
The Captains have a win over a common opponent to whom the Presidents lost (Salisbury).

I don't have a problem with that.  Straight by the criteria listed for everybody to read.

Here's the rub.
St. John's has the lowest QOWI index of the 1-loss Pool C teams.
St. John's has NO wins over regionally ranked opponents.

Franklin has the 6th best QOWI index of the group.
Franklin has a win over Wabash.

The criteria has Franklin above three teams in the Pool C group.

St. John's gets in.  The Human factor plays here.

Which is it, guys?  Good ol' boys, or criteria?

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

Yeah Im stupid when it cames to that, I think you might have to spell it out for me step by step!!

[Ron Boerger]

Ron,
Speaking of Trinity, How many years has it been since they have been out of the playoff. Seems to me a home game in SA is a given. i'm guessing their unbroken playoff run is longer than my eagles.

It was nine years straight, xbcdad.   I think it was the second-longest streak behind MUC.  Too many injuries cost them this year (1st string QB, RB, and one of their LBs), and a damned fine coaching job by DuBose at Millsaps. 

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

Bob its probably close to 15 minutes drive time from the airport to the campus. Best place to park is the University Place entrance off warwick blvd. If you want to mapquest it, its 900 Bland Blvd, Newport News, VA 23602 to 1 University Place, Newport News, VA 23606.

There's also a campus map on the cnu page that can tell you precisely where the football field is from where you enter and where to park. Heres the link to the campus map: http://about.cnu.edu/visitingCampus/campusMap.cfm

[CNU85]

If it takes 15 min to drive from the airport to CNU campus, then you're my grandmother......15 minutes max with bad traffic and hitting all the lights red.....nice little airport..very long runways...I've put down a few Cessnas there....not sure who the FBO is now....probably Flight International.

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

Apparently Mr. CNU85 hasn't driven from there in quite a while!! GRANDPA!!

[BDTartan]

Didn't know exactly where to post this, but this seems to be as good as place as any.

I notice that the Wesley and UWW brackets contain 8 of the nation's top 10 teams according to D3.  With only Capital standing in Mt. Union's way in their bracket and the east teams all knocking each other off in the Wilkes bracket it seems to me like Mt. Union has a much, much easier road to the Stagg Bowl than any other top 10 team.

I could be wrong, but it looks fishy to me with Wesley, HSU, and UMHB in the Wesley bracket and St. John's, UWW, Whitworth, and Central in the UWW bracket.

I realize travel implications have much to do with it, but that's like telling Mt. - "Not only are you the team everybody is gunning for, but you get help because of your location."

[Ralph Turner]

Didn't know exactly where to post this, but this seems to be as good as place as any.

I notice that the Wesley and UWW brackets contain 8 of the nation's top 10 teams according to D3.  With only Capital standing in Mt. Union's way in their bracket and the east teams all knocking each other off in the Wilkes bracket it seems to me like Mt. Union has a much, much easier road to the Stagg Bowl than any other top 10 team.

I could be wrong, but it looks fishy to me with Wesley, HSU, and UMHB in the Wesley bracket and St. John's, UWW, Whitworth, and Central in the UWW bracket.

Good post BD!  +1!

The North has been dominated by MUC and it is tough for anyone else to make any noise.

The South has had 3 teams make the Stagg Bowl in this decade (Bridgewater, Trinity and UMHB).  The West has had 3 Champions under the new format, Pacific Lutheran, St John's and Linfield.

The East has had Rowan and not much else.

The breadth of those other 2 regions have made for more exposure in the Polls.  I think that is what you see.

[BDTartan]

Thanks Ralph, I kind of wondered for a second if Mt. was getting some kind of "special treatment" but then I thought of the geography and other things.

I wonder if instead of worrying about travel expenses and criteria(which seems like it was an issue this year) the NCAA could take the pains to even out the bracket.  Why couldn't one of the Minn. or Wisc. teams get put in the North???  Or for that matter, flip it so that the winner of the North Region plays either the winner of the South or West?

[Ron Boerger]

The seedings have been added to the brackets.  Once again, the NC-effing-A has found yet another way to screw a Texas team from hosting a first-round game.  #2 UMHB hosts #3 HSU.  This year's beneficiary is CNU.   Sigh.

Year in, year out, this crap happens.  It would have made PERFECT sense to send #7 Millsaps to #2 UMHB which is where they belonged by both the FA's rules and seeding.  But we're talking about the NCFA here, and sense never works when there are $ to be pinched. 

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

Just out of curiousity, since it did kill the cat, why did Hardin-Simmons get a higher seeding the *sigh* CNU?

Hope your not mad at CNU for being a beneficiary, Ron?