South Region playoffs

[Pat Coleman]

I believe there has been one 8-2 team to get a Pool C bid, and that was Capital. One of the losses was to Mount Union, of course.

[Highlander]

Thanks for the reply Pat. Even if MC cannot win the conf. or make the show, they have made some tremendous improvment and can be one of only six teams at Maryville to win eight or more games. They have several things to be proud of and to build on in future seasons.

[DPU3619]

The ASC breaks multiple ties by coin flip instead of point spread.

I don't know where the Tie-breaker section has gone. 

Ralph, I just want to make sure all of my ducks are in a row here.

If UMHB, MC, and HSU all finish the conference schedule at 7-1, they would be break the tie by coinflips despite a difference in overall record? 

In theory, MC could finish 9-1, UMHB could finish 8-2, and HSU could finish 7-3. 

Obv. none of this would matter if UMHB rolls on Saturday, but I just want to make sure I'm following along on the appropriate page.

[Ralph Turner]

Wes, I will try to get back to you on Friday pm.  I think that is what I remember about the tie-breaker on the old web site.

ASC fans will remember the 2003 season when the tiebreaker was a variation of victory margin model.  ETBU won the tie-breaker solely because HSU did not get to attempt the PAT in their overtime victory over ETBU.  HSU scored the TD in OT to win 20-14 and thus did not need the PAT to win.  That PAT was the final margin of victory in the three-way calculation.

[Toby Taff]

Wes, I will try to get back to you on Friday pm.  I think that is what I remember about the tie-breaker on the old web site.

ASC fans will remember the 2003 season when the tiebreaker was a variation of victory margin model.  ETBU won the tie-breaker solely because HSU did not get to attempt the PAT in their overtime victory over ETBU.  HSU scored the TD in OT to win 20-14 and thus did not need the PAT to win.  That PAT was the final margin of victory in the three-way calculation.

If I'm not mistaken, UMHB could have also won had they chosen to kick a field goal in OT against ETBU rather than going for the td.


I do remember correctly.
http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=1938

[Ralph Turner]

Wes, I will try to get back to you on Friday pm.  I think that is what I remember about the tie-breaker on the old web site.

ASC fans will remember the 2003 season when the tiebreaker was a variation of victory margin model.  ETBU won the tie-breaker solely because HSU did not get to attempt the PAT in their overtime victory over ETBU.  HSU scored the TD in OT to win 20-14 and thus did not need the PAT to win.  That PAT was the final margin of victory in the three-way calculation.

If I'm not mistaken, UMHB could have also won had they chosen to kick a field goal in OT against ETBU rather than going for the td.


I do remember correctly.
http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=1938

So, concede the battle but win the war. 

However, UMHB was going for 10-0 and home field advantage in the playoffs.

[Pat Coleman]

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/10/18/Strength+of+schedule

Strength of Schedule numbers are out.

[Snakehandler]

Wow, I may have to rethink my pairings. The Salisbury/ Wesley winner may end up being the #1.

[Bob.Gregg]

snake, no need to change them for any reason right now.

The numbers are still muddy because of the limited statistical sample (5-6 games overall, 3-4 in region for many).

The numbers will mean more once more games are played (batting average based on less than 100 ab's is too volatile).

Thanks for your work.

[Josh Bowerman]

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/10/18/Strength+of+schedule

Strength of Schedule numbers are out.

Shesh.  And this is supposed to be easier than QOWI?   

[Ron Boerger]

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/10/18/Strength+of+schedule

Strength of Schedule numbers are out.

Shesh.  And this is supposed to be easier than QOWI?   

No, just more meaningful. 

[Pat Coleman]

Ron hit the nail on the head.

[DPU3619]

After getting on the horn with ASC home office, here is the tiebreak scenario:

A two way tie would be solved by head-to-head record.  There are many other tiebreaks to follow that, but they won't be necessary since everybody has played each other.

Now, for a three way tie (por ejemplo: UMHB, MC, and HSU), I point you directly to the handbook:

In the event of a three-way or more tie that cannot be broken by the record against the tied teams followed by record against other conference opponents in descending order, the Commissioner shall conduct a draw with the tied teams to determine the conference's automatic qualifier to the NCAA Division III Football Championship.

Obviously, the record against the tied teams would not result in anything. 

The next tiebreak would be record against conference opponents in descending order.  Since nobody lost to anybody from ETBU on down to the bottom, we'd be looking at a draw situation, it seems. 

[Toby Taff]

Wes, I will try to get back to you on Friday pm.  I think that is what I remember about the tie-breaker on the old web site.

ASC fans will remember the 2003 season when the tiebreaker was a variation of victory margin model.  ETBU won the tie-breaker solely because HSU did not get to attempt the PAT in their overtime victory over ETBU.  HSU scored the TD in OT to win 20-14 and thus did not need the PAT to win.  That PAT was the final margin of victory in the three-way calculation.

If I'm not mistaken, UMHB could have also won had they chosen to kick a field goal in OT against ETBU rather than going for the td.


I do remember correctly.
http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=1938

So, concede the battle but win the war. 

However, UMHB was going for 10-0 and home field advantage in the playoffs.

I'm glad UMHB went for the win, but the tie-breaker was hard to swallow.

[Llamaguy]

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/10/18/Strength+of+schedule

Strength of Schedule numbers are out.

Shesh.  And this is supposed to be easier than QOWI?   

No, just more meaningful. 

I don't agree, at least not across the board. Mount Union is ranked #207 and they play in the OAC. I know the number will go up in future weeks but the OAC as a conference is better than those numbers. Period!