MBB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference

[DPULefty22]

DPULefty, i'm not really seeing the point to throwing up statistics for 2 other players.  But that goes back to a very long debate over how much stats should be taken into account.  I just see Britt playing a huge part in a so-far SCAC undefeated Centre season.  And as far as the other 2 players, Moore is a good player, he is tough.  He also shoots his team out of games and tries too much sometimes.  I would definitely give Britt the nod over Moore.  The other player is obviously Montgomerry, who also deserves POY consideration.  But with 2 SCAC losses on the board, it's hard not to give Britt the nod (whom i believe hit the game winner in that one).  This will be an interesting vote this year.  maybe the hardest

I've never seen 'tries too much' listed as a negative for a player. That's a new one on me.

Look, obviously I've seen Mike Moore play more than anyone in the conference. No sense in pretending otherwise. Might as well get that out of the way.

Does Mike take an ill-advised three here and there? Sure. Show me a player who doesn't.

Has Mike 'shot his team out of games'? That's ridiculous. He had an off-night in the OU loss, but the team's 9-for-31 effort from beyond the arc suggests he was hardly the only offender. And if anything, his passing ability - remember, we're talking about a guy who ranks in the TOP TEN IN THE NATION in assists - has helped keep his team in games on nights where his shot hasn't been there.

Look at last night against Trinity. Mike only had 11 points. Was 4-for-11 from the field. But he handed out 9 assists, and DPU wins a huge road game against a good team in a place where it's tough to go win.

Apparently you think Moore's a one-dimensional player. If that's the case I'm not sure who you're confusing him with. He can get trigger happy time and again, but he's also one of the best distributors in the country. He's averaging 19 points a game in conference play. And I can tell you he's not a defensive liability despite his size - no, he's not as good on the ball as a Britt or a Nestheide, but he makes plays on both ends.

Look, sorry I dared to make a simple comparison. But I've seen every player in this conference this season. And Mike Moore is the best I've seen. Again, I'm not trying to slight anybody, though that didn't seem to be an issue for you.

[Major_Fan]

 :)Majors survive BSC upset bid in overtime, 75-69.  Millsaps overcame a 14-point, second half deficit and Lorenzo Bailey hit three big 3s at the end of the game.  Montgomery pours in third 30-point game with 30 and 13 boards.  Panthers had four scorers in double figures with Roger Williams and Daniel Hudson scoring 13 apiece.  Check out the complete box score here... Great effort by BSC, they have a GREAT team and are going to be tough to play from here on out.  They are also very, very young with 13 freshmen and three sophomores. 

Check out the complete box score here: http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/basketball-m/mcm-020308.htm

[pbrooks3]

Centre's win down at Birmingham Southern is beginning looking pretty impressive, given the way this young Birmingham Southern team is playing now.  They represent a legitimate challenge every single game regardless of venue.  They have a chance at knocking Centre from the ranks of unbeaten at Danville this Friday.  The Colonels will not  be able to take this team lightly, especially given the outcome of the game earlier in Birmingham.

[pbrooks3]

Something that's kind of fun to do which I began doing 3 weeks ago is submitting a Top 25 Poll on the Poster's Poll (Multi-Regional Topics).  Some of you may already be familiar with this.  I usually work up my poll Sunday night and send it to  the moniker "Mr Ypsi" via personal message.  He is looking for more bloggers to participate and I think he'll accept poll submissions weekly until sometime on Monday before the actual weekly Top 25 is released.  Mr. Ypsi then tabulates and displays his blogger Top 25 late Mondays where you can a good feel for how the bloggers match up with the real pollsters. 

[hendrixfan]

Hendrix shot a paltry 2-21 from the 3 point line in a disappointing home loss to Rhodes on Sunday.  Here's hoping this young team will get back on track next weekend when Austin & Colorado come to town.

[Pat Coleman]

Posters poll, not bloggers poll. This is a message board. Our blog is the Daily Dose.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/

[pbrooks3]

Hendrix shot a paltry 2-21 from the 3 point line in a disappointing home loss to Rhodes on Sunday.  Here's hoping this young team will get back on track next weekend when Austin & Colorado come to town.

Noticed that this was not a good day for the 3-pointers and that Cal Rose didn't have his usual solid offensive performance from behind the arc.

[frank_ezelle]

Millsaps is another team that shot poorly on Sunday, hitting 27 of 76 shots and 7 of 24 3-point attempts, numbers that were helped by some hot shooting at the end of the game.  BSC certainly played hard and that was a factor, but I think Millsaps wasn't dissatisfied with the shots they got.  It just seemed like there was a lid on the basket as shot after shot spun around the rim and came out.

For the weekend, Edrick Montgomery continued his hot play with an average of 30.5 points and 14 rebounds per game.  Rodney Rogan went over the 500 rebound mark for his career in the Friday night game as this talented group of seniors continues to write their names in the Millsaps and SCAC record books.

For Millsaps, the two tough losses by Trinity definitely helped since it gives Millsaps a two game cushion.  That makes it easier to get the #1 seed in the West, but it would really help Millsaps if they could win out for the rest of the regular season.  They can and they might, but there are plenty of tough games ahead.  I'm smart enough to know that no team is a lock for the SCAC AQ and Millsaps needs to keep focused on doing what it takes to get an at-large bid if they don't win the SCAC Tournament.

And a word about BSC to close the post.  I was impressed with the players, but I was especially impressed with their execution of plays.  They seem to be a very well coached team.  On a better shooting day, I think Millsaps wins by 20, but Millsaps is a really strong team when they are having a decent shooting day.  From what I saw Sunday and from their results over the course of the season, it seems fairly obvious that BSC will be a tough team to deal with in future years.

[d3allstar]

i don't know if u met dave at SU also, but I enjoyed chattin with during half time as well Pbrooks3.

[Dave84]

sorry pbrooks, didn't get to make it to SU this weekend.  must have been someone else.  but i'm definitely on your side with the Britt argument, thus far.  Obviously some will lean more towards certain players than others and that's totally fine.  I'm not saying Moore is a bad player, he'll definitely be on 1st All-SCAC at this rate and i'm also not saying he's a one-dimensional player.  He can score AND he can pass; what's so one-dimensional about that? I've seen him play plenty in his career and agree that he is a terrific player.  His decision making comes into question more often than other players'.  3.5 TO's per game is not a good statistic.  yes, 9 apg is astounding, i know.  but for conference play, he's still averaging close to that 3.5 TO's, yet his apg is 4.7 along with Nestheide.  That's still a good apg statistic, but with 6 TO's in the loss to centre, i would have to give Britt the nod if the season ended today.  i'm not attacking Moore, i'm just stating a case for Britt and explaining why he deserves the POY more than Mike Moore.

[pbrooks3]

i don't know if u met dave at SU also, but I enjoyed chattin with during half time as well Pbrooks3.

I said I was old and I make lots of errors.  I should have said I met up with d3allstar at Southwestern not dave84.  Thanks guys for setting the record straight. 

Any predictions on where Centre falls in the Top 25 this week?

[pbrooks3]

sorry pbrooks, didn't get to make it to SU this weekend.  must have been someone else.  but i'm definitely on your side with the Britt argument, thus far.  Obviously some will lean more towards certain players than others and that's totally fine.  I'm not saying Moore is a bad player, he'll definitely be on 1st All-SCAC at this rate and i'm also not saying he's a one-dimensional player.  He can score AND he can pass; what's so one-dimensional about that? I've seen him play plenty in his career and agree that he is a terrific player.  His decision making comes into question more often than other players'.  3.5 TO's per game is not a good statistic.  yes, 9 apg is astounding, i know.  but for conference play, he's still averaging close to that 3.5 TO's, yet his apg is 4.7 along with Nestheide.  That's still a good apg statistic, but with 6 TO's in the loss to centre, i would have to give Britt the nod if the season ended today.  i'm not attacking Moore, i'm just stating a case for Britt and explaining why he deserves the POY more than Mike Moore.

I too think Moore is a terrific player and he yet may be the POTY.  I would not say he tries to do too much; rather I think he occasionally shows a lapse of judgement that probably accounts for some of his turnovers.  The past 5-6 games he has obviously been playing at a high level (and the team has as well), and if he continues this trend I see him seriously making a run at Player of the Year. 

[DPU3619]

3.5 TO's per game is not a good statistic.  yes, 9 apg is astounding, i know.  but for conference play, he's still averaging close to that 3.5 TO's, yet his apg is 4.7 along with Nestheide.  That's still a good apg statistic, but with 6 TO's in the loss to centre, i would have to give Britt the nod if the season ended today. 

That doesn't make any sense. 

Moore's APG is great (better than the guy you compared him to), and his A/T ratio (which I think you also identified as APG) is still very good (and better than the guy you compared him to), and he also scores more than the guy you compared him to, but he had one game where he turned it over against the best team in the conference, so I give it to the other guy.  What?

If you want to give it to the best player on the best team, then just say so.  There isn't a darned thing wrong with that. 

[pbrooks3]

Wes, curious as to your take on the Trinity team and game on Saturday.  Appears the Old Gold are peaking at the right time and Mr. Moore is playing super b-ball.

[pbrooks3]

Rhodes had a nice finish yesterday at Hendrix.  This team may struggle to get in the tournament, but at the very least they can influence the tournament brackets by how they play against their remaining opponents.