East Region Rankings

[buck1053]

Actually all conference games are in regions games.

Even the UAA games? I didn't think there weremany teams from that conference in the East Region.

[magicman]

Actually all conference games are in regions games.

Even the UAA games? I didn't think there were many teams from that conference in the East Region.

buck,
Only Rochester and NYU are UAA teams in the East Region the other 6 teams are in various other regions but no matter the region they are in the games between conference members are in region. Here's the FAQ from D3hoops that will explain what constitutes an in region game. Please note example #3.



What is a regional game?

A game can be classified as regional in any of three ways.

Both teams are full Division III members (or third- or fourth-year provisional members) and:

1) are in the same Division III member conference or same region as defined by the appropriate Division III basketball committee. That list of regions is listed under the Teams drop-down menu at the top o this page.

2) The teams are within 200 miles of each other via the NCAA's approved mapping software.

3) The teams are within the same NCAA administrative region. Those regions are defined below.

Region 1: Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont.

Region 2: New York, Pennsylvania.

Region 3: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

Region 4: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

If the teams are in the same region by any one of these three definitions, it is a regional game.

Some examples: 1. Trinity (Texas) is scheduled to play the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater in a regular season game in Maine. Is this a regional game?
Answer: Yes. It doesn't matter where the game is played, only where the schools are from. Texas and Wisconsin are both in Region 4.

2. Merchant Marine plays Grove City. They are in different NCAA regions and are more than 200 miles apart.
Answer: This is a regional game. Merchant Marine is in New York, Grove City is in Pennsylvania. Both are in Region 2.

3. Carnegie Mellon (Pa.) plays Washington U. (Mo.). Answer: This is a regional game.
Although they are in different regions by every definition, both are members of the same Division III member conference, the UAA.

4. Albion (Mich.) plays Grand Valley State (Mich.).
Answer: This is not a regional game. Grand Valley State is not a Division III member. No game against a non-Division III member can ever be a regional game.

5. Wilkes (Pa.) plays Penn State-Abington.
Answer: This is not a regional game. Although both teams are in the same administrative region, Penn State-Abington is a second-year provisional member of Division III, not a full member or third- or fourth-year provisional member.

6. Johns Hopkins (Md.) plays Mary Washington (Va.) Answer: This is a regional game. Although Maryland and Virginia are in different administrative regions, both schools are in the Mid-Atlantic for men's basketball. In women's basketball, the schools are in different regions but fall within the 200-mile limit.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Also remember that only regional games count for regional rankings... AND Massey accounts all games, even against non D3 opponents and opponents opponents outside of D3 and the NCAA... so they have a very different data set.

And then there is the primary and secondary criteria that the regional committees must follow. Give the men's basketball pre-championship handbook a read - it will be helpful.

[7express]

I love the NCAA administration regions.

According to them a game between Maine-Presque Isle & Catholic is "in region" (both are in admin region 1: Maine & D.C [Catholic]) but a game between Eastern Connecticut and Oneonta isn't (different regions, different conf, different admin regions greater than 200 miles).

For the record the milage between Oneonta and Eastern is 218 and the milage between Maine-Presque Isle and Catholic is 823.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yep... the administrative regions have existed longer than the basketball ones... and that isn't the longest regional game against non-regional opponents. Michigan to Georgia or anywhere south could get you more miles.

[7express]

Yep... the administrative regions have existed longer than the basketball ones... and that isn't the longest regional game against non-regional opponents. Michigan to Georgia or anywhere south could get you more miles.

Region 4 must have some good ones.  George Fox to Texas-Tyler or Redlands to Stevens-Point must approach 2,000 miles.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Well Redlands and Stevens Point are already in the West Region... but the Texas-Tyler-George Fox is a good one!

[Pat Coleman]

Shoot, in baseball Mississippi College and Puget Sound are both in the West Region, despite being further apart and not in the same administrative region at all.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Shoot, in baseball Mississippi College and Puget Sound are both in the West Region, despite being further apart and not in the same administrative region at all.

Thus another reason regional realignment is such a priority right now.

[NYHOOPS8]

The East is going to struggle to get Pool C bids this year. The top teams in the SUNYAC and E8 seem to be beating each other up. Plattsburgh is the only team that has had notable success in the out of conference portion of their schedule. Brockport has a very good record; yet does not have a noteworthy OOC win. NYU started the season strong but may be fading now in the midst of the UAA season.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Right now... I would be surprised if the East got an at-large bid. That being said... there could be one or two, but I am really not sure who at this point.

[dcahill44]

Depending on Who Keeps winning and whoever wins the conference tournament for E8 and SUNYAC. I think Brockport and Plattsburgh can stay relatively clean the rest of the way. They Both will deserve at Large bids. An Upset in the SUNYAC, which is very possible could bump another east region team from another conference. If Naz, Stevens, Fisher can stay clean they all have a shot also. Remember Naz technically only has 4 losses because Roberts Wesleyan is a Division 2 Opponent. Stevens and Fisher have 5 losses. I think if a team gets to 20 wins and get to the conference tournament final then they will have a shot on " Selection Sunday and Monday" depending on upsets in other regions and what not?

Do you disagree dave? PLEASE POST WHAT YOU GUYS THINK?

[7express]

Not that it matters, but I thought Roberts Wesleyan was NAIA??

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

20 wins is usually the make or break point unofficially for at-large bids... but a lot of 20-win teams don't make the tournament. It is just usually a good guide that if you don't reach that many (meaning you have probably six or more losses), your chances are very unlikely of getting an at-large bid (unless you are Pool B - that is a completely different conversation that has no impact on the East Region).

[magicman]

Plattsburgh got an at large bid last year with a 19-8 record. I think the worst they end up this year if they don't win the SUNYAC tournament is 20-7 and that should be good enough to once again get an at large bid. If they do win the conference tournament, then Brockport should be in line to get a Pool C bid. I wouldn't count out a decent Geneseo team either. There's a reason Massey has the top 3 East Region teams as Brockport, Plattsburgh, and Geneseo.