East Region Rankings

[7express]

I think if Plattsburgh & Brockport finish 1-2 in the YAC, that gets both of them into the tournament at seasons end.  Geneseo still has 2 games against Brockport and a home game vs. Plattsburgh left this year I wouldn't count them out either if they went 2-1 in those 3 games.
Empire 8 looks horrible this year.  That's a 1 bid league no matter who wins the league.
Hobart could get one of the LL, but they're on thin ice.  Vassar has a lot of wins, but outside of Western Connecticut, none are that overly impressive, and even the Western one doesn't look that good.  Even if there able to sweep Skidmore (already beat them on the road and win @ Hobart) I don't think that's enough for them.
NYU's loss to Emory tonight pretty much eliminated them if they weren't already after last weekend's trip to Chicago & Wash U.

[scooterman]

Please refresh me on how the NCAA selection committee chooses its participates. All the criteria in the order of importance. Thanks

[magicman]

Please refresh me on how the NCAA selection committee chooses its participates. All the criteria in the order of importance. Thanks

Scooter
First you win, 6 or 7 games  and only lose a couple.  Then you win 6 or 7 more and only lose a couple more. Finally you win 6 or 7 more and only lose a couple.  If you do that then it doesn't usually matter what the other criteria are, you'll get picked. If you fail to do that, then you won't go dancing.  

[Bengalsrule]

Please refresh me on how the NCAA selection committee chooses its participates. All the criteria in the order of importance. Thanks

Scooter
First you win, 6 or 7 games  and only lose a couple.  Then you win 6 or 7 more and only lose a couple more. Finally you win 6 or 7 more and only lose a couple.  If you do that then it doesn't usually matter what the other criteria are, you'll get picked. If you fail to do that, then you won't go dancing.

That pretty much sums it up!!!

[dcahill44]

I think if Plattsburgh & Brockport finish 1-2 in the YAC, that gets both of them into the tournament at seasons end.  Geneseo still has 2 games against Brockport and a home game vs. Plattsburgh left this year I wouldn't count them out either if they went 2-1 in those 3 games.
Empire 8 looks horrible this year.  That's a 1 bid league no matter who wins the league.
Hobart could get one of the LL, but they're on thin ice.  Vassar has a lot of wins, but outside of Western Connecticut, none are that overly impressive, and even the Western one doesn't look that good.  Even if there able to sweep Skidmore (already beat them on the road and win @ Hobart) I don't think that's enough for them.
NYU's loss to Emory tonight pretty much eliminated them if they weren't already after last weekend's trip to Chicago & Wash U.

Think about it 7express.. A good overall league means that most of the teams are competitive. there are 5 teams in the Empire with 11 wins right now. The Empire 8 is not horrible this year! I think the SUNYAC is better but after talking with Coaches in both leagues. The SUNYAC and Empire 8 are both very competitive league. A league with A lot of losses may be a good league. More teams that are good in the league means more losses for top tier teams.

[scooterman]

Magic--thanks for that informative response--LOL--now I understand the process. I like the criteria. LOL

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Official:

Primary Selection Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize competition leading up to NCAA championships; all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).

●● Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.

●● Division III strength of schedule.
-- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
-- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).

●● Division III head-to-head competition.

●● Results versus common Division III opponents.

●● Results versus ranked Division III teams as established at the time of selection.

Note:
●● Conference postseason contests are included.
●● Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary
criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selections.

Secondary Selection Criteria
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against all other opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).

●● Non-Division III win-loss percentage.

●● Results versus common non-Division III opponents.

Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the Basketball Committee.

[scooterman]

Thanks for the information--Dave

[NYHOOPS8]

HUGE week in the E8 coming up. The top four teams will be playing each other this weekend. Interesting to see if any teams will seperate themselves from the pack and make a claim to be ranked in the East.

[scooterman]

The top 3 teams in SUNY look like the 3 best in the East to me---Not sure who the No. 4 team should be?

[NYHOOPS8]

The top 3 teams in SUNY look like the 3 best in the East to me---Not sure who the No. 4 team should be?

Hobart or NYU will be #4. Vassar, Hartwick and Stevens will battle it out for the 6th spot. A 2-0 weekend by Hartwick or Stevens may propel them above Vassar due to SOS.

[dcahill44]

Your Forgetting about the Team who just beat St John Fisher last night. Nazareth! Technically Roberts Wesleyan and Alfred State games do not count. so the Golden Flyers are 11-4. With Wins against Hartwick, Fisher. Why the Hell aren't they in Consideration even if they beat Stevens and lose to Hartwick?

The top 3 teams in SUNY look like the 3 best in the East to me---Not sure who the No. 4 team should be?

Hobart or NYU will be #4. Vassar, Hartwick and Stevens will battle it out for the 6th spot. A 2-0 weekend by Hartwick or Stevens may propel them above Vassar due to SOS.

[NYHOOPS8]

Your Forgetting about the Team who just beat St John Fisher last night. Nazareth! Technically Roberts Wesleyan and Alfred State games do not count. so the Golden Flyers are 11-4. With Wins against Hartwick, Fisher. Why the Hell aren't they in Consideration even if they beat Stevens and lose to Hartwick?

The top 3 teams in SUNY look like the 3 best in the East to me---Not sure who the No. 4 team should be?

Hobart or NYU will be #4. Vassar, Hartwick and Stevens will battle it out for the 6th spot. A 2-0 weekend by Hartwick or Stevens may propel them above Vassar due to SOS.

Going by your hypothetical, how would a loss to Hartwick make them worthy of consideration of propelling them over Hartwick? Hartwick has the better conference record, the better SOS, the best win of the two (Stevens), has a better in-region record and would have split with Nazareth head to head. As of today, Nazareth would not have a better resume than Stevens so I would not put Naz ahead of them at this point.

[dcahill44]

I think if Naz wins 1 they are in good shape in the conference. Stevens has a better in region record cause they haven't played nearly as many in-region games as Nazareth. Hartwick will have 7 losses if they lose 1 this weekend. The last spot is between Stevens, Hartwick and Naz depending on how the weekend goes

[AUPepBand]

Your Forgetting about the Team who just beat St John Fisher last night. Nazareth! Technically Roberts Wesleyan and Alfred State games do not count. so the Golden Flyers are 11-4. With Wins against Hartwick, Fisher. Why the Hell aren't they in Consideration even if they beat Stevens and lose to Hartwick?

The top 3 teams in SUNY look like the 3 best in the East to me---Not sure who the No. 4 team should be?

Hobart or NYU will be #4. Vassar, Hartwick and Stevens will battle it out for the 6th spot. A 2-0 weekend by Hartwick or Stevens may propel them above Vassar due to SOS.

Well so long as you're going to throw Naz into the mix, why not Alfred? Hey, the Saxons have a horrible non-conference SOS, but they've beaten both Naz and Fisher and, should they continue their success against Utica Friday night and Elmira Tuesday night, they will still have only two conference losses (both road losses at Hartwick in OT & Stevens). With the Naz-Fisher-Hartwick-Stevens weekend on tap, there will be 4 Ws and 4 Ls among those four. Like I said, if the Saxons can get by Utica and Elmira, and even should those "top four" all split the weekend, Hartwick will have 2 losses, Stevens and Naz will have 3 and Fisher will have 4. Just sayin'

On Saxon Warriors!