East Region Rankings

[dcahill44]

The Horrible non-conference schedule will kill the Saxons. never will be regionally ranked. For an example the Hilbert team of last year won 20 games and wasn't close to being regionally ranked. Id like to see Alfred play Naz or Fishers schedule and see how it fairs.

[AUPepBand]

The Horrible non-conference schedule will kill the Saxons. never will be regionally ranked. For an example the Hilbert team of last year won 20 games and wasn't close to being regionally ranked. Id like to see Alfred play Naz or Fishers schedule and see how it fairs.

Agreed. (As previously stated.) AU's non-conference schedule was likely designed for the Saxons to build up some confidence with a new playing scheme. Pep figured once conference play began, the Saxons would tailspin. So far, they are holding their own. But as you have pointed out, the non-conference schedule will not get the Saxons in the regional rankings...so the AQ may be their only ticket. One game at a time.

On Saxon Warriors!

[NYHOOPS8]

The Horrible non-conference schedule will kill the Saxons. never will be regionally ranked. For an example the Hilbert team of last year won 20 games and wasn't close to being regionally ranked. Id like to see Alfred play Naz or Fishers schedule and see how it fairs.

Agreed. (As previously stated.) AU's non-conference schedule was likely designed for the Saxons to build up some confidence with a new playing scheme. Pep figured once conference play began, the Saxons would tailspin. So far, they are holding their own. But as you have pointed out, the non-conference schedule will not get the Saxons in the regional rankings...so the AQ may be their only ticket. One game at a time.

On Saxon Warriors!

I would not be surprised to see Alfred tied on top of the standings by Sunday.

[magicman]

I think if Naz wins 1 they are in good shape in the conference. Stevens has a better in region record cause they haven't played nearly as many in-region games as Nazareth. Hartwick will have 7 losses if they lose 1 this weekend. The last spot is between Stevens, Hartwick and Naz depending on how the weekend goes

Derrick,

What you are forgetting, or unaware of, is what now constitutes a regional game. The rules were changed this year and basically most of the teams in the East Region (if not all of them) will play nothing but regional games. (There are a few exceptions and Nazareth is a team with some exceptions)  Let me give you an example using Plattsburgh State.

Plattsburgh's record is 13-3. According to the rules that were in place last year the Cardinals would have a regional record of 10 wins and 2 losses. The games against Richard Stockton, a loss and the 3 wins against Bridgewater State, Millikin, and UW-Stout would be out of the region,hence the 10-2 regional record. 

However due to the rule changes every single game that Plattsburgh played this year is considered a regional contest. So their regional record is the same as their overall record 13-3.

Now lets look at Stevens Tech and Nazareth.

Stevens has a 12-5 overall record.  Every game they played, like Plattsburgh is against an NCAA Division III opponent. Therefore they are all regional games and their regional record is 12-5.

Nazareth has a 12-5 overall record as well, but as you mentioned the Roberts Wesleyan game, a loss and the Alfred State game, a win, do not count. Since those teams are not NCAA Division III teams that reduces Nazareth's regional record to 11-4.

Therefore your statement that Stevens doesn't have as many in region games as Nazareth is incorrect, Derrick because Stevens actually has more in region games than Nazareth.

And as I mentioned a little while ago when you asked me who I would rank as the top 6 teams in the region, it's still too early to be doing that. I suppose it's nice to guess who the best teams are right now, but the first set of Regional Rankings won't be released for nearly two weeks, on February 12th. That's a week later than they have been released in the past few years. There's still a lot of basketball to be played between now and then, that will have a big effect on the rankings.  

I hope this helps.   

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

To make the explaination easier... if a team plays 70% of their games in their region (or as regional games per the definition of regional games we have been using for years), then ALL of their games will count towards primary criteria. We may see "regional record" on the SOS data in a few weeks (I don't know what it will actually look like), but primary criteria is now all-games-count unless you didn't hit the threshold (and didn't get a waiver). If that is the case, then only your in-region record will count in primary criteria.

If curious... 18 games is the magic numbers as 70% of a basketball schedule max of 25 games is 17.5. And no conference tournament games count towards the 70%... it has to be the schedule submitted to the NCAA before the season begins (I think that deadline is in September).

[magicman]

To make the explaination easier... if a team plays 70% of their games in their region (or as regional games per the definition of regional games we have been using for years), then ALL of their games will count towards primary criteria. We may see "regional record" on the SOS data in a few weeks (I don't know what it will actually look like), but primary criteria is now all-games-count unless you didn't hit the threshold (and didn't get a waiver). If that is the case, then only your in-region record will count in primary criteria.

If curious... 18 games is the magic numbers as 70% of a basketball schedule max of 25 games is 17.5. And no conference tournament games count towards the 70%... it has to be the schedule submitted to the NCAA before the season begins (I think that deadline is in September).

Thanks Dave,

I went to the front page but couldn't find that info, and I hoped you'd come on and post exactly what you did. I knew it was something like that but didn't want to guess. Thanks for doing it so quickly. Our young friend, Mr. Cahill will now know the ropes about the regional games, as will we all. The 70% figure will apply to every team in the East Region, I believe, for now and forever.

Glad to see that you made the goal for Hoopsville and hope that the total just keeps rising. Coach Curle was very happy with the show and would love to do it again sometime. I had an enjoyable time as well. You do a great job with the program and I'm glad it will get upgraded with some better equipment for you. Nice contribution near the end of the marathon to get you over the top.

[NYHOOPS8]

An upset by Stevens tonight against Williams will put a major wrinkle in the East rankings.  I was shocked to see Geneseo receive more votes in the top 25 than Plattsburgh so I am now unsure what 2-6 may look like in the coming weeks.

[dcahill44]

Heres how i think the Rankings look like as of right now!
1. Brockport
2. Geneseo
3. Plattsburgh
4. Stevens
5. NYU
6. Hobart
I think Naz, Vassar, Skidmore and maybe Alfred if they keep winning are in contention. Think Naz (if they keep winning) can jump NYU cause they are going to lose a lot more games i think in the UAA Conference

[dcahill44]

With Regional Rankings on its way this week heres how I think the East Regional Rankings will look like
1. Brockport
2. Plattsburgh
3. Geneseo
4. NYU
5. Hobart
6. Stevens
I think Nazareth is 7th and Vassar 8th. Main reason I think Stevens is ahead of Naz is because they beat them twice.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I think you have NYU too high. Their SOS is probably going to be below .500 (considering they play in the UAA, that is a horrible SOS) and their winning percentage is .750. I can't see them being ahead of Hobart who will probably have a much better SOS than NYU and already has a better winning percentage.

I think Brockport will be #1 with Plattsburgh and Geneseo probably sitting behind them thanks to the fact Geneseo has a win over Hobart in the head-to-head criteria.

Not sure why you would have Vassar eighth... their SOS is about the same as Stevens and they have a far better winning percentage. And just because of winning percentage, I would probably put NYU ahead of Stevens. The only criteria I can't answer is vRRO... but the regional committees won't have that either... only the national committee will have that and I am now not sure if they will use it in the opening week.

Mine would probably be:
1 - Brockport
2 - Plattsburgh
3 - Geneseo
4 - Hobart
5 - Vassar
6 - NYU

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I got clarification... as in years past, there will be no vRRO in the first week. My previous information indicated the national committee would make adjustments with the new data they get (like they do on the last regional rankings), but this is indeed not the case.

[dcahill44]

Dave where are you getting your SOS ratings from?

[NYHOOPS8]

I agree with Dave's initial rankings. Stevens may have a shot at the 6th spot with their win over NYU but the winning percentage should be too much to overtake them. If Plattsburgh keeps on winning, their SOS may ride them to the top spot by the 2nd week.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

My SOS numbers are based on the math done by a fellow poster, KnightSlappy. Go to the Pool C thread to see his latest numbers.

He will admit he doesn't know if his math is exactly how the NCAA's will come out, but until Wednesday his are the best to go on in my opinion.

[magicman]

I kind of liked the fact that KnightSlappy has my Cardinals in the top spot of the East Region, with Brockport 2nd and Geneseo 3rd.

Not sure if the NCAA will follow suit but I think they will be up there somewhere. I don't really care where they are right now as much as I will 3+ weeks down the road. 

I do like the fact that KnightSlappy has Plattsburgh with a #6 National ranking followed by Brockport at #7 and Geneseo at #11. That looks like a 3 bid league to me if they can keep those marks close to those numbers.  Still a lot of basketball to be played yet. Hopefully none of these 3 teams will falter against the remaining teams on their schedules that they should beat.