East Region Rankings

[bports]

Lets not forget cards bport also beat plattsburgh at plattsburgh without 2 of there best players. Bport also returns 13 players including 2 all americans, bport also won the sunyac conference by 2 or 3 games last year. Bport will be a little short handed ther first 5 games and after that they will be SICK!!!!!!!!!

     1 Brockport
     2 U of R
     3PLATTS  or lower
     4 Fisher

[FisherDynasty]

i hear the arguement platts, however i agree with yellow jacket, that was a game UofR completely blew.  Then they lost to fisher who lost to bport.  however, i do think plattsburgh could come out of the sunyac ahead of bport this year.  from the replying messages, it looks like i ranked the teams fairly well fisher at 4 no arguments, exchange between bport and platts by fans.  Im not so sure bport will come together like last year, i think they will be a little inconsistent.  I did play against cantrel parrish this summer and he looked like he could do some serious damage this year and sharod is sharod, the kid can flat out score.  With the new coach i think they will struggle in big games.  I put UofR at one  because they have the best coach and a ton returning. 

[with age comes?]

Fish Dyn-  I haven't been following the E-8 like I  used to, but I must admit I was surprised by your Nazareth ranking?  Do u know something?  Did they have another barn-burning recruiting class?  It seems like years since they've been in the e-8 playoffs let alone 5th in this region??  Not trying to be a non-believer, just trying to understand?  Last season I thought Ithaca was better and I don't think they lost a heck of alot?  SLU was pretty young and solid.  Vassar lost virtually nothing and I think will actually be the team to beat in the Liberty League.  Unless somethings missing from my understanding, until Naz proves itself in the season i could not rate them that high...

[FisherDynasty]

They just have a lot of talent and have underacheived the past few years.  last year they were missing one of their best players in ryan mcadam 6'5 swingman who will help them out a lot this year. He was MVP of the open mens empire games this summer for the Western team who won the championship.  D3 hoops has Naz getting more votes than any other team in the east region besides stevens, uofr, platt and bport.  However, you could squeeze ithaca in there in place of naz they are going to be good as well.  You never know what Nazareth is going to do they could beat anyone and lose to anyone on a given night.  I just think this is the year they finally come together. I definatly hear your point and vassar maybe better i didnt have a chance to see them play last year but know they should be good this year so was hard to rank them. 

[magicman]

Time to Rev up the East Region rankings

Here's my take on them.

1. Univ. of Rochester 
2. Plattsburgh St.
3. Nazareth
4. Brockport St.
5. Oswego St.
6. Hamilton
7. St. Lawrence
8. Cortland St.
9. St John Fisher
10. Vassar
11. Ithaca
12. Geneseo St.
13. NYU
14. RIT
15.Utica

Lots of teams struggled early but have been more consistant in the past month.

Brockport has won 9 of their last 11 with only losses coming to #3 UR 75-70 and at #16 Plattsburgh 81-78 in OT.

St. Lawrence has won 9 of their last 10 with wins over Bport, Oswego, and Vassar and only loss coming at Hamilton this past weekend 71-62

Hamilton has won 8 of their last 10 with wins over Bport, #13 Williams and SLU

Cortland has won 10 of their last 12 with only losses at  Plattsburgh 74-69 and Oswego 77-74

St John Fisher has won 7 of their last 10 with a win over Stevens and 1 pt loss to Bport.

Clearly Rochester and Plattsburgh are at the top of the list and my top 5 based on overall records I think is pretty fair,  but after that the next 10 teams could move up or down depending on one's personal opinion.

Hope to hear some comments. Just please keep them friendly. 

[thebear]

My Bears beat SLU at SLU.  Admittedly the Bears had a reasonably healthy roster that night, but still think Cortland with their size and depth would prevail against the Saints.  Also can't see SLU ranking above Ithaca, think that Burton & Bostic would eat them alive.

If Vassar loses at Clarkson, they don't belong on this list, regardless of how well Clarkson is playing.


I think you can put a glove over Cortland, Oswego, Brockport, Geneseo.  All very good teams, with size, depth, athleticism.  At least one very good team is going to get left out of the SUNYAC semi's. 

Part of Potsdam's issue is they have played 9 games against this group, with wins vs. SLU & Ithaca (sans Bostic).
Play at Utica tomorrow night, at Plattsburgh on Saturday and end the season at Cortland, 12 out of 25 vs. top 15 in region is a brutal schedule.

[scooterman]

Magic--I agree with your first 2 choices, but Bport would beat Naz 7-10 times they played. From all indicators to this point, I have to disagree with Vassar ahead of Ithaca and possibly a couple other listed below them. Good job--Keep them coming.

[FisherDynasty]

Not so sure bport would beat naz 7-10 times, I think the teams are pretty close.

[bports]

I dont agree that geneseo, bport, cortland, and oswego are that close. Bport is way better than geneseo and has already beat them twice.  I believe they beat oswego pretty bad also in a game that was not very close. Im not saying those teams couldnt beat bport on a given night but to say you can throw a glove over them they are that close ? I dont think so.

[magicman]

Scooterman I agree that Brockport may beat Naz. But Naz has only been beaten by 3 teams not 6 like Port has. All losses by both teams have been to quality opponents. Brockport may end up leapfrogging over Naz but right now I think they've earned their #3 spot.

And I was hesitant to put Vassar where I did ahead of Ithaca, Geneseo, and NYU because 12 of their wins have come against teams with a losing record, some of whom are downright terrible. But I was guessing what I thought the real rankings would look like when they come out(which I thought was this week)and figured that 14-3 record might land them in that spot.

thebear
As I mentioned SLU struggled early on and  I placed more emphasis on what's been happening since the start of Jan. Potsdam, as you stated  earlier, had the injuries and the inability to finish in close games. When they opened with wins over Ithaca and Clarkson and beat SLU a couple of weeks later, I thought  they were going to have a pretty  good year. I wish they were on my list but after losing to Utica tonight 15th on my list...oh well. I've seen SLU, Cortland, Brockport and Oswego play and while I agree that Cortland might give them trouble with their size and depth SLU beat Brockport  AND Oswego while Cortland lost to both of these clubs. Cortland is going to be real tough next year if those 3 sophmores Lewis, Coston, and Oliver all return. They may be my pre-season pick to win the conference. And Clarkson from what I understand is healthier now than they have been in a while. So beating Hamilton on the road the other night makes that Vassar loss to Clarkson at Potsdam look a little better. Not much I grant you.

[scooterman]

Magic--Your entitled to your opinion but I have seen Naz twice and Bport many times and I disagree. 7 out of 10 my man!!!

[magicman]

Magic--I agree with your first 2 choices, but Bport would beat Naz 7-10 times they played. From all indicators to this point, I have to disagree with Vassar ahead of Ithaca and possibly a couple other listed below them. Good job--Keep them coming.

Not so sure bport would beat naz 7-10 times, I think the teams are pretty close.

Magic--Your entitled to your opinion but I have seen Naz twice and Bport many times and I disagree. 7 out of 10 my man!!!

scooterman,

I think you're confusing what I said with FisherDynasty. I don't know who would win best of ten. It's immaterial. The most they would ever face each other in a given year would be 3 times. I haven't seen Naz play this year so I honestly don't know who would win that matchup, but if I was betting on it I would probably wager on Brockport.  But RIGHT NOW I believe when the East region rankings come out my top 5 will be their top 5. A couple more Brockport wins coupled with a Naz loss would most likely have them changing positions.
 

[scooterman]

Sorry about that Magic--My bad!!!

[magicman]

Thought I saw where the rankings were coming out on Wednesday and since there have been quite a few games since my last posting of them I figured it was time for an update. Also the last time I did them I omitted Stevens as they were not listed in the East region according to D3hoops regional pages(which had them in the Atlantic region) but now they are. Guess the league change necessitated the region change. Makes sense to me. So here goes. Time to create some more discussion. And just to clarify, this list isn't in the order I would rank the top 15  but the way I think the regional ranking are going to be when they come out    Again just keep the comments friendly.


1. Univ. of Rochester
2. Plattsburgh St.
3. Stevens Tech
4. Nazareth
5. Brockport St.
6. Oswego St
7. St. Lawrence
8. Cortland St.
9. Geneseo St.
10. Hamilton
11. St. John Fisher
12. New York Univ.
13. Ithaca
14. Vassar
15. RIT

[Cyclone0205]

Given the ratings, assuming Stevens or Naz somehow doesn't win the e8 automatic bid, is there a chance of both getting into the tournament?  I would think Stevens with 1 more win is getting close to locking themselves in (top 25 all year, good regional record, beat Naz twice head to head).  Not so sure about Naz, tho I don't see a "bad" loss on Naz's resume (mostly losses to tournament bound teams).


If both don't get in, who has the better shot?