East Region Rankings

[bamm]

Fisher went to the Elite 8 in 2006, sweet 16 last year and in 2005.

Yeah - the 2005 loss was to Potsdam, another SUNYAC team.

I think it's fair that you describe it more aptly -- something like "bloodbath" or "spanking" would be appropriate.

[FisherDynasty]

its Okay, Fisher went to the elite 8 after that year.  A year when TWO E8 teams played in the sweet 16 games.

[magicman]

Buck- I think the UAA is a very solid league year in and year out but other than the U of R what teams recently, in the last 5 years, have gone beyond the sweet 16. I think the SUNY's are very competitive with that stat. Please inform me!!!

scooterman
Washington U. from the UAA went to the final four last year. They lost to Virginia Wesleyan in the semi-final game 67-65 and finished in 3rd place. Brockport went to the great eight last year, losing to Wooster in OT, in their bid to get to the finals. Didn't want you to be misinformed.

Bamm if you read the few posts prior to mine it was stated that UofR as part of the UAA is solid, then Magic sticking up for Sunyac stating brockport.  I threw in Fishers success in as a pitch in for the E8 not a pitch in for Fisher. 

FishDYN

Hmm. I thought I was sticking up for the UAA  and informing scooterman about their performance in last years NCAA tournament. The discussion was about the UAA and SUNYAC conferences. I didn't see any references to the E8 league there. Have to agree with Bamm that you shamelessly inserted Fisher into a discussion where they didn't belong. But that's OK I understand. After your glory years of the past it's hard when your team doesn't live up to expectations.  And I know the season for Fisher isn't over yet, there's always the dream of winning the E8 tournament and getting that automatic bid. But you and I both know it ain't gonna happen. Oh well what was it they used to say in Brooklyn? Wait'll next year??   Just teasing, don't take it personally. Still with Naz losing to Utica Friday night I suppose anything's possible in the E8. And how many times can you use the word "in" in one sentence.

[FisherDynasty]

maybe I misinterpreted the conversation, but based on the East region board, i thought it was inherent the discussions were about all east region leagues. Maybe I missed an earlier conversation. Glory years? its not over yet, they are in second, just as brockport is in the Sunyac? I dont see you bashing them, they beat fisher by merely a point this year, thats a big discrepancy.  I wouldnt count them out, now that they are fully healthy they are a much different team, similarly to last year around this time. 

However I will admit, I think after this year, its going to be even more of a down year next year.

[scooterman]

Correct Fisher is in 2nd tied with two other teams at 10-4 in conference play while the Eagles are 14-1 only loss double OT to No. 12 team in country. Big Difference my friend.

[FisherDynasty]

the post was made before today's loss, when there was no tie for second. way to respond and comment to an irrelevant post.

[magicman]

Plattsburgh St and Brockport St. both took care of business this week to continue as the top 2 seeds in the SUNYAC conference. Big showdown awaiting this pair on March 1st if their form holds up.

St. Lawrence, with a big win Sat. night  over Hamilton seizes control of the Liberty league top seed.  The Larries now hold a 2 1/2 game lead with only 2 games left to play. They play Vassar next Friday and even if they lose which I doubt will happen, a victory over RPI on Sat. will clinch the top seed for them.

Stevens with a 2 game lead in the Empire 8 would have to lose to both Utica and Ithaca and lose all the tiebreakers to be denied the top seed in their inaugural season in the league. Despite all the chatter of them being a poor road team I think they get the job done Sunday against Utica. 

[bports]

Brockport is really rolling winning  13 of 14 and 11 of those wins are by double digits. Brockport  will be a tough out even though that game will be in plattsburgh, they out played plattsburgh for most of the first game but got very sloppy down the stretch. I dont want to look past oswego or cortland in the semis but Bport has already pretty much pounded them all 3 times. Should be a good sunyac tourney and there is ALWAYS upsets.

[gobombers15]

Stevens with a 2 game lead in the Empire 8 would have to lose to both Utica and Ithaca and lose all the tiebreakers to be denied the top seed in their inaugural season in the league. Despite all the chatter of them being a poor road team I think they get the job done Sunday against Utica. 

See my post on the E8 board. If Ithaca and Stevens finish with the same conference record, Ithaca will host as a result of the third tiebreaker (road conference record). Today is very dangerous for Stevens. Utica had a nice win at Naz on Friday night and the Pioneers are always much tougher at home. Also, keep in mind Stevens only beat Utica by 1 in Hoboken (though, Passalacqua did miss that game).

[magicman]

East Region rankings the way I see them after games through 2-17. Real top 5 will be updated on Wednesday.


1. Plattsburgh State
2. University of Rochester
3. Brockport State
4. Stevens
5. Nazareth
6. Oswego State
7. St Lawrence
8. Ithaca
9. Cortland State
10. Geneseo State
11. St. John Fisher
12. New York University
13. Hamilton
14. Vassar
15. Utica

Notes:

UR losing 2 games this past week relinquishes the top spot to Plattsburgh St. who now sports an undefeated 18-0 in-region record. UR with a 6-5 conference record has  probably lost any chance of getting the automatic bid and is now relegated to pool C. They do finish up with the 3 bottom teams in the conference but they're currently 3 games behind Washington U. and 2 games behind Brandeis and Chicago. Any more stumbles and they may miss the big dance altogether.

Plattsburgh is looking more and more like the host for the SUNYAC tournament. One win in their final 2 games against Cortland or SUNYIT will do it. Brockport is the only team that could possibly host but they need the Cards to lose both games while they win out. Don't see that happening as Plattsburgh's really been on a mission winning 14 in a row since their midseason letdown. The possibilty of hosting the SUNYAC tournament for the 1st time ever and a possible NCAA first round regional for the 1st time ever is all the motivation the Cardinal's need. Still, that perfect conference record could be in jeopardy aagainst the Red Dragons on Friday night. 

Brockport's regional record stands at 15-4 and they've now won 13 out of their last 14, losing only to Plattsburgh St. in OT. They'll be out for revenge come tourney time but are in good shape to get a pool C bid if they don't win the automatic entry. But like UR, they can't afford any missteps from here on out.

Stevens hangs onto the 4th spot despite the loss to Utica on Sunday. Slightly better regional record than Bport at 18-3 but their OWP is much lower. Surprised that Stevens couldn't win at Utica when it would have clinched the top seed. I guess the E8 posters are right. They can't win after those long bus rides. They better take a plane when they play at Ithaca on Friday night. The Bombers gotta be fired up for the chance to host the playoffs if they win that one and Saturday at home against Naz.   

Naz wins 2 of 3 for the week and hangs on to the 5th spot with a 17-6 regional slate. Their hopes for grabbing the top spot in the E8 ended with that loss to Utica on the 15th. Without the automatic bid they too may wind up in the ECAC's

Oswego with a 15-5 in region record stays behind Naz by virtue of that early season loss to the Golden Flyers. Good season but will probably end up in the ECAC's unless they can come away with the SUNYAC championship.

St. Lawrence is 1 win away from clinching the top seed in the Liberty League and has won 13 of their last 15 games with wins over Oswego, Brockport, Hamilton and Vassar during that stretch. They also own a victory over Ithaca back in December, albeit when the Bombers were short Burton at the time.

Ithaca can make a major move in the region with 2 wins this weekend, but it's a tall order. Not saying they can't do it but playing the 2 toughest teams in the conference back to back won't be easy. Home court is nice but they haven't protected it as well as they should have. Two wins could move them all the way to 4th in the region.

Cortland St. and Geneseo St. both have had pretty good seasons but the only way they go to the NCAA's is if they win the SUNYAC tournament. Cortland with a chance to spoil Plattsburgh's perfect regional and SUNYAC record this Friday night as they host the Cardinals.

Fisher is still alive for the top spot in the E8 and has the easiest schedule of the top 4 teams this weekend. They need to win both games and hope for some help along the way. That loss to Ithaca on the 16th at Fisher is one they wish they had back. 11-3 would look pretty good right now.

So that's my take on the NY scene. Lets hear from the rest of you guys. Just keep it friendly.

[magicman]

Stevens with a 2 game lead in the Empire 8 would have to lose to both Utica and Ithaca and lose all the tiebreakers to be denied the top seed in their inaugural season in the league. Despite all the chatter of them being a poor road team I think they get the job done Sunday against Utica. 

See my post on the E8 board. If Ithaca and Stevens finish with the same conference record, Ithaca will host as a result of the third tiebreaker (road conference record). Today is very dangerous for Stevens. Utica had a nice win at Naz on Friday night and the Pioneers are always much tougher at home. Also, keep in mind Stevens only beat Utica by 1 in Hoboken (though, Passalacqua did miss that game).

gobombers,

Thanks for the tiebreaker info. And you were right on about Utica being tough against Stevens. I knew about that earlier 1 pt. loss at Stevens but I really thought this Stevens team would stay focused and take care of business against the Pioneers. I mean they were playing the 5th place team in the conference and you really don't want it to come down to the game against Ithaca to claim the prize. That's probably going to be a tougher challenge for the Ducks. I'm thinking (not predicting) that Ithaca beats Stevens, Naz beats Elmira, Fisher loses to Utica, then Naz beats Ithaca. Stevens wins the reg season with the tiebreaker over Naz. Kind of backing into it you might say.  But I'm rooting for the Bombers because they've got the toughest row to hoe.

[scooterman]

Hey Fisher--10-3 vs 14-1 even before the loss is not equal my man!! Do your math!!!Hope your not in business--You'd be going under--LOL

[FROMAFAR]

Magic, evrything you say seems right -on... one quetion, Does Fisher still have a shot at top spot in E-*... I thought only Stevens or Ithaca were alive for that?   But I've been wrong before....

[FisherDynasty]

scooter what the hell are you talking about? what are you comparing? I was never comparing Fisher versus brockport on the east region rankings? You must still be in college as you obviously cannot interpret posts.

[scooterman]

Fisher- I thought you were making some smart comment about 2nd place in SUNY's being equal to second place in E8, in terms of records. I was pointing out that a 10-3 record for second is not equivalent to a 14-1 record. That was my point--So if i misinterpreted your comment, young fella---sorry--I am probably old enough to be your father!!!