FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[MUC57]

Bartman

Good to see you speaking up on the comments from the NESCAC crowd. They sure talk a great story for someone that won't play outside their conference. Mount Union has had some tough games with East Region teams. Standout QB's, good discipline and good coaching. NESCAC fans live in a world of make believe. Play some games against the LL and the E8. Then we can all see how great you are.
I'm fairly certain I'll hear from some NESCAC people, but so be it! On the other hand, maybe I won't. Their arms may be sore from patting themselves on their back. Good job, Bartman! ☠🏈😀

[Bombers798891]

The RPI team that won the Liberty League last year did not have any big lineman

The starting offensive linemen for RPI in their playoff game weighed 265, 275, 285, 285, and 300 pounds. Average: 282 pounds
The starting offensive linemen for Trinity in their last game weighed 260, 265, 265, 270, and 300 pounds. Average: 273 pounds

The starting offensive linemen for RPI in their playoff game were 6-1, 6-1, 6-3, 6-3, and 6-4. Average: A shade under 6-3
The starting offensive linemen for Trinity in their last game were 6-0, 6-0, 6-2, 6-3, and 6-3. Average: A shade under 6-2

The starting defensive linemen for RPI in their playoff game weighed 220, 220, 285, 310 Average: 258 pounds
The starting defensive linemen for Trinity in their last game weighed 240, 240, and 250. Average: 243 pounds

The starting defensive linemen for RPI in their playoff game were 5-11, 6-0, 6-1, 6-1. Average: A shade over 6-0
The starting defensive linemen for Trinity in their last game were 6-0, 6-2, and 6-2. Average: A shade over 6-1

I'm not seeing the size discrepancy—in fact, if anything, the RPI players were bigger. But since you can't be bothered to even get facts right, go on and tell us how an RPI team that managed to lose to #12 Wesley by just 18 would lose to three-quarters of the NESCAC by 20.

At least when the E8/LL guys would go at it with the NEFC crowd the NEFC supporters would have things like, you know, game results to back up their claims. But as MUC57 says, it's always just talk with the NESCAC crowd

[nescac1]

I wish folks wouldn't make blanket statements about "the NESCAC crowd" based on the statements of a single poster on a message board.  (For the record, I have no clue about how NESCAC football compares to other D3 leagues, and I think the majority of observers are probably in the same boat and have offered no opinion accordingly). 

[MUC57]

nescac1

Comments were not made based on a single NESCAC poster. Posters on other boards display the same arrogance regarding NESCAC. Your schools are a-1 academically, but this is Dlll Football. Posters on the lacrosse board have the same "we're better than every one " attitude.
NESCAC posters could stand a little humility. ☠🏈

[Jonny Utah]

nescac1

Comments were not made based on a single NESCAC poster. Posters on other boards display the same arrogance regarding NESCAC. Your schools are a-1 academically, but this is Dlll Football. Posters on the lacrosse board have the same "we're better than every one " attitude.
NESCAC posters could stand a little humility. ☠🏈

I was going to post something similar to nescac1 though.  No one on this board has ever said anything close to what Hamgrand had posted.  So many things wrong with his post that I felt I needed to address it right away. 

[ColbyFootball]

Believe Dave Dunn of Colby will be a candidate for Bates job.

You read my mind. I think he would do a tremendous job as HC at Bates. If he does not apply for the job I would be shocked. On a personal level I hope he stays put. I think he'll have Colby's offense rockin' in  short order.

[PolarCat]

Their arms may be sore from patting themselves on their back. Good job, Bartman! ☠🏈😀

I guess we should all learn from your example:  Always keep one hand free so you can give your buddy a reach-around.

[dlippiel]

Former Maine high school standout quarterback Austin McCrum will transfer from Lafayette to Bowdoin this upcoming Fall.


This is one big difference between the NESCAC and the other D3 leagues.  Seems there are many D1 transfers into the NESCAC but i do not see that in the other D3 programs or leagues.

To be clear, I am not talking about Mount Union, Whitewater, etc. ... frankly that league they play in could be considered D1 talent and I am sure most of the teams in that league could beat many of the New England D2 teams.

What I am talking about is the Liberty League and other NY, New England and East Coast D3 teams. My nephew starts for RPI who won the Liberty League and went to the D3 playoffs last year. He was a first team All Liberty League player and 1st team district COSIDA All American.  So he is a very good player and great kid!   But he did not really get recruited in the NESCAC.  Also, RPI's best WR played with my son in HS so Iknow first hand the type of player he is.  Very Good player for sure,  but not recruited in the NESCAC.

I have watched hmy nephew play a couple games in each of the last three years, and now that my sons have both graduated from the NESCAC I will spend next fall watching and supporting him.  I even bought an RPI hat and T-shirt in anticipation of the event.  So In addition to spending the last 7 years watching the NESCAC, I have seen RPI play several times against, Union, MIT, Alfred, WPI, William Patterson, Norwich, Hudson Valley.  I can confidently say that None of these teams (except the Alfred team I saw) would compete in the NESCAC.  The Alfred team reminded me of the big powerful Trinity teams, but the rest of the teams would finish at best ahead of Bowdoin and Colby.  While they do have much larger rosters, they lack size and speed  IMHO.  The roster size hurts the NESCAC, because the Liberty League has so many more "second string" players on their rosters.  But best 11 vs best 11and the NESCAC wins 8 times out of ten.

The biggest differences in my opinion is size of the lineman, and QB play.  The RPI team that won the Liberty League last year did not have any big lineman and was fairly slow in my opinion.  While many of the top NESCAC teams have decent size O-lines and several border line D1 players.  They also get D1 transfers as evidenced many times over. 

And the QB play is much better in the NESCAC in my opinion.  Look at all the good QBs currently on NESCAC rosters fo the last few years. The Liberty league does not have close to that talent.  The RPI team that won the liberty league last year would be competitive with Hamilton.  But would get beat by at least 20 by Trinity, Middlebury, Amherst, Wesleyan, Tufts and Williams.

Obviously my opinion can be debated to the end of time, but I have watched a lot of college football in person over the last several years, and feel confident that the NESCAC is a very competitive brand of D3 football. 

And it sounds like it is getting more competitive each year.  Certainly 2017 seemed like a nice competitive season.  I hope this transfer helps the Bowdoin team get to the next level.  It will make the NESCAc even more enjoyable to watch in the future.

hamgrand- know dlip appreciates your post and you certainly have a right to your opinion and your perspective. With that said dlip will politely remind you that there are way too many knowledgeable fact based DIII posters for you to get away with making blanket statements comparing the NESCAC's level of play to other DIII schools.

To dlip the NESCAC is certainly one of the most elite student-athlete athletic conferences in the country based on incredible academics and strong sports programs across the board. dlip tries to catch as many NESCAC games online as he can each season. However he does disagree with many of your thoughts above.

BTW, Hudson Valley is a Community College (hence they only have pre-season scrimmages against RPI) that annually sends multiple players to play D1 football.

[nescac1]

Gotta love this kid's confidence!  https://twitter.com/JayMack65/status/989893767753678848

My path to medical school and all time NESCAC sack leader will begin @TuftsUniversity @TuftsFootball in Fall 2018. Thank you to my family, friends and coaches for getting me to this point.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, he'll have the opportunity to play 12.5% more games than almost every previous NESCAC player, so ... it could happen!

[Jonny Utah]

Gotta love this kid's confidence!  https://twitter.com/JayMack65/status/989893767753678848

My path to medical school and all time NESCAC sack leader will begin @TuftsUniversity @TuftsFootball in Fall 2018. Thank you to my family, friends and coaches for getting me to this point.

I'm a fan already, especially since he mentioned medical school.  Iamhuge's kids are surely afraid that all their records will soon be broken.

[Trin9-0]

Looks like Trinity (and thus likely the full list of NESCAC) football commits for the incoming Class of 2022 can be released tomorrow:
https://twitter.com/TrinFootball/status/990989682010918912

[nescac1]

37 new Bantams??  I don't think I've ever heard of a NESCAC recruiting class that size, certainly not since rosters were capped at 75 (if all those guys made the varsity, which of course they won't, that's half the roster right there!).  Wow. 

Also worth noting that the Bantams graduate only NINE seniors.  So even if there is reasonable attrition from the remaining roster, that's a lot of recruits who are going to miss the final cut. 

[lumbercat]

Devanney will cut a bunch of them. Hope these kids understand what "walk on" means- hoping thats explained fully to them when they commit.

[AUPepBand]

Former Maine high school standout quarterback Austin McCrum will transfer from Lafayette to Bowdoin this upcoming Fall.


This is one big difference between the NESCAC and the other D3 leagues.  Seems there are many D1 transfers into the NESCAC but i do not see that in the other D3 programs or leagues.

To be clear, I am not talking about Mount Union, Whitewater, etc. ... frankly that league they play in could be considered D1 talent and I am sure most of the teams in that league could beat many of the New England D2 teams.

What I am talking about is the Liberty League and other NY, New England and East Coast D3 teams. My nephew starts for RPI who won the Liberty League and went to the D3 playoffs last year. He was a first team All Liberty League player and 1st team district COSIDA All American.  So he is a very good player and great kid!   But he did not really get recruited in the NESCAC.  Also, RPI's best WR played with my son in HS so Iknow first hand the type of player he is.  Very Good player for sure,  but not recruited in the NESCAC.

I have watched hmy nephew play a couple games in each of the last three years, and now that my sons have both graduated from the NESCAC I will spend next fall watching and supporting him.  I even bought an RPI hat and T-shirt in anticipation of the event.  So In addition to spending the last 7 years watching the NESCAC, I have seen RPI play several times against, Union, MIT, Alfred, WPI, William Patterson, Norwich, Hudson Valley.  I can confidently say that None of these teams (except the Alfred team I saw) would compete in the NESCAC.  The Alfred team reminded me of the big powerful Trinity teams, but the rest of the teams would finish at best ahead of Bowdoin and Colby.  While they do have much larger rosters, they lack size and speed  IMHO.  The roster size hurts the NESCAC, because the Liberty League has so many more "second string" players on their rosters.  But best 11 vs best 11and the NESCAC wins 8 times out of ten.

The biggest differences in my opinion is size of the lineman, and QB play.  The RPI team that won the Liberty League last year did not have any big lineman and was fairly slow in my opinion.  While many of the top NESCAC teams have decent size O-lines and several border line D1 players.  They also get D1 transfers as evidenced many times over. 

And the QB play is much better in the NESCAC in my opinion.  Look at all the good QBs currently on NESCAC rosters fo the last few years. The Liberty league does not have close to that talent.  The RPI team that won the liberty league last year would be competitive with Hamilton.  But would get beat by at least 20 by Trinity, Middlebury, Amherst, Wesleyan, Tufts and Williams.

Obviously my opinion can be debated to the end of time, but I have watched a lot of college football in person over the last several years, and feel confident that the NESCAC is a very competitive brand of D3 football. 

And it sounds like it is getting more competitive each year.  Certainly 2017 seemed like a nice competitive season.  I hope this transfer helps the Bowdoin team get to the next level.  It will make the NESCAc even more enjoyable to watch in the future.

hamgrand- know dlip appreciates your post and you certainly have a right to your opinion and your perspective. With that said dlip will politely remind you that there are way too many knowledgeable fact based DIII posters for you to get away with making blanket statements comparing the NESCAC's level of play to other DIII schools.

To dlip the NESCAC is certainly one of the most elite student-athlete athletic conferences in the country based on incredible academics and strong sports programs across the board. dlip tries to catch as many NESCAC games online as he can each season. However he does disagree with many of your thoughts above.

BTW, Hudson Valley is a Community College (hence they only have pre-season scrimmages against RPI) that annually sends multiple players to play D1 football.

dlip is correct....in fact, a rookie starting LB Isaiah Moak (Albany area native) at Alfred in 2016 unfortunately (for AU) opted to transfer to Hudson Valley CC for the 2017 season and following a stellar season at HVCC, will be playing at the D1 Rhode Island Rams this fall.

So, talking about D3 programs landing D1 transfers, at Alfred, (well at least in this one case), you've got a D3 athlete transferring out and up to a D1 program!

On Saxon Warriors!