FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[Charlie]

Lol Charlie is at it again- are you aware of this NESCACMAN? Really funny. Total fabrication. Keep the nonsense coming Charlie.

Numbers are accurate maybe (+/-) a few but accurate

[lumbercat]

You're off by about 285 on the Bates numbers and about 180 on Middlebury my friend.-----just a bit outside.

[NESCACFball24/7]

You're off by about 285 on the Bates numbers and about 180 on Middlebury my friend.-----just a bit outside.

I didn't believe it either but took a quick look at twitter and those numbers now seem a lot more accurate. Williams and Amherst have also both thrown out quite a few offers as well but probably near 50 nowhere near 285

[lumbercat]

Charlie is way off on both numbers.

[Charlie]

You're off by about 285 on the Bates numbers and about 180 on Middlebury my friend.-----just a bit outside.

I didn't believe it either but took a quick look at twitter and those numbers now seem a lot more accurate. Williams and Amherst have also both thrown out quite a few offers as well but probably near 50 nowhere near 285

As I said the Bates numbers include this years class that Coyne is trying to fill thats why they were high. Again my initial statement and it seems to be true is that this year there seems to be more quantity than quality in terms of the number of offers being put out there.

I never said anything about Amherst and Wiliams. I know Trinity has just started sending out offers

[lumbercat]

Not correct- this years Bates class has been full at 27 for a few months. They are no longer trying to "fill out" the class of 2026. Totally focused on class of 27 and your numbers there are wrong too.

[Charlie]

Not correct- this years Bates class has been full at 27 for a few months. They are no longer trying to "fill out" the class of 26. Totally focused on class of 27 and your numbers there are wrong too.

I am combining the two. At any rate do you not think that this year has been an extraordinary amount of offers out there. I know the talent pool is down this year with this class but why the high number of offers ?

[lumbercat]

Your numbers are off, fabricated.
You'll have to define what your definition of "talent pool" is. With NESCAC programs actively recruiting more than ever in previously untapped regions of the country the NESCAC talent pool is larger than ever.
With more and more NESCAC commits from places like Cal, Arizona, Texas etc more recruits from those regions are following and this is contributing to a growing talent pool. If admission folks at most NESCAC schools have one thing in common it is the desire to expand their student demographic to all areas of the country.

[Charlie]

Your numbers are off, fabricated.
You'll have to define what your definition of "talent pool" is. With NESCAC programs actively recruiting more than ever in previously untapped regions of the country the NESCAC talent pool is larger than ever.
With more and more NESCAC commits from places like Cal, Arizona, Texas etc more recruits from those regions are following and this is contributing to a growing talent pool. If admission folks at most NESCAC schools have one thing in common it is the desire to expand their student demographic to all areas of the country.

I totally agree and offer numbers were provided to me. However I guess I am talking more about the NE Region. I see some of these kids being offered with marginal to average talent to play NESCAC ball. I am wondering if the emphasis is more on the academic criteria then candidates ability. Some who are decent players I would not think been given offers in the past it just appears that this year at least in the Northeast more average players being offered than before

[nescac1]

In an attempt to change the subject, who are some potential break-out / key NESCAC players next year, guys who may be critical to their team's success but for whatever reason (youth, injury, veterans ahead of them in the depth chart) had a fairly limited impact on the field in 2021?  I'll offer a few:

Williams - Jack Dickinson, QB (or whoever the Eph starting QB is, but my guess is him) - big arm, good athlete, good pedigree, but absolutely massive shoes to fill and little on-field experience; Cam Lee, WR - Ephs need a deep threat and he looks like the best bet, was just starting to show some things before suffering a season-ending injury; Ryan Carney, DL - DL is simply loaded on the Ephs but he seems like a guy who needs to get onto the field, somehow; Tim Forth, OL - stepped in late as an injury replacement after switching from the DL, with more weight on his frame could be a key guy on the line at RT.  Other names to watch: Mike Tartaglia, Zach Barnes, Colton Tangney, Tyler Spiezio, Jack Ledden

[I know far less after Williams, but ... ]

Amherst - Louie Ecklecamp, TB (also watch our for FY Cato Legaspi at that position); Owen Gaydos, WR (Amherst has big holes to fill at both TB and WR); Anthony Leneghan, DL; Andy Skirzenski, LB; Phil Slaughter, DL. 

Middlebury - Isaiah Lizardi, RB; Carter Stockwell, WR

Trinity - Mathew Laughlin, WR

Those are just a few who come to mind, not trying at all to be comprehensive ....

[Charlie]

In an attempt to change the subject, who are some potential break-out / key NESCAC players next year, guys who may be critical to their team's success but for whatever reason (youth, injury, veterans ahead of them in the depth chart) had a fairly limited impact on the field in 2021?  I'll offer a few:

Williams - Jack Dickinson, QB (or whoever the Eph starting QB is, but my guess is him) - big arm, good athlete, good pedigree, but absolutely massive shoes to fill and little on-field experience; Cam Lee, WR - Ephs need a deep threat and he looks like the best bet, was just starting to show some things before suffering a season-ending injury; Ryan Carney, DL - DL is simply loaded on the Ephs but he seems like a guy who needs to get onto the field, somehow; Tim Forth, OL - stepped in late as an injury replacement after switching from the DL, with more weight on his frame could be a key guy on the line at RT.  Other names to watch: Mike Tartaglia, Zach Barnes, Colton Tangney, Tyler Spiezio, Jack Ledden

[I know far less after Williams, but ... ]

Amherst - Louie Ecklecamp, TB (also watch our for FY Cato Legaspi at that position); Owen Gaydos, WR (Amherst has big holes to fill at both TB and WR); Anthony Leneghan, DL; Andy Skirzenski, LB; Phil Slaughter, DL. 

Middlebury - Isaiah Lizardi, RB; Carter Stockwell, WR

Trinity - Mathew Laughlin, WR

Those are just a few who come to mind, not trying at all to be comprehensive ....

I have a question and we touched briefly on this in 2019 Middlebury had a Freshman RB # 41 Alex Maldjian. He had a great year as a Freshman made all star I believe. What happened is he still at Middlebury , career ending injury ? gave up football  ? this kid was promising RB.

[nescac1]

Midd fans reported that during training camp last year he decided to give up football.  He could really play, Midd def missed him last year.

[LochNescac]

Was just told bowdoin will now play tufts in a night game giving the jumbos two night games this year including the one with Wesleyan.

Thats great there should be more night games !

I thought I would share these crazy facts. Going into last weekend

Bates           330 * Some are for this coming season and the balance for next season.
Middlebury   230
Tufts              5
Wesleyan      15

These have been the offers thrown out there by the respective schools. Spoke to football recruiter who said this years class is not loaded with great deal of talent and the emphasis appears to be quantity rather than quality.

I guess these teams are trying to make the jump up the ranks faster. My question is what is going to happen if these two front loaded schools if all the offers accept. Twitter has been tearing it up iwth these programs.

Anyone hear anything about roster limits and when they will be rolled back if at all ?

I don't see any way the "Band System" can support anything close to the Bates/Midd numbers....decimal is off by a point!

My amateur sleuthing (totally amateur I admit..) reveals a recruiting class of between 25-30 for every schools twitter page "Welcome to XYZ University" for the class of '22.  Pretty easy to see, check it out.

I seriously doubt the class of '23 will show numbers considerably different when it comes to a program's "Full Support Throughout the Admissions Process"

Just not enough spots for a football staff to throw at Admin...??

[quicksilver]

I don't know what the actual numbers of offers are but, based on Internet info (chiefly twitter), the process begins with many more offers by each NESCAC than available slots since it takes two to tango and most of the NESCAC offerrees have multiple offers and will eventually choose among multiple offers, often from several NESCACs. It is a winnowing process, with each NESCAC's net cast far and wide before the final group of 20-25 makes their final decisions and navigates the admissions process.

[LochNescac]

I don't know what the actual numbers of offers are but, based on Internet info (chiefly twitter), the process begins with many more offers by each NESCAC than available slots since it takes two to tango and most of the NESCAC offerrees have multiple offers and will eventually choose among multiple offers, often from several NESCACs. It is a winnowing process, with each NESCAC's net cast far and wide before the final group of 20-25 makes their final decisions and navigates the admissions process.

Completely agree in principle...you are correct about the "far & wide" initial cast of the net. 

However, those high numbers seem very unlikely with regard to "serious candidates" and a schools desire/ability to bring on the student at the end of the day.  Maybe that's what Charlie was alluding to regarding Quality vs Quantity.?

I can tell you that didn't seem to be the case in the past having spoken to four different NESCAC staffs during recruiting visits.    Each staff was pretty clear when asked how many athletes were being recruited at said position....maybe they all fudged the numbers, but it was nowhere near 300 total for a team!?

Guess it's irrelevant at the end of the day....hope every kid that wants to play finds a home on a team in the league.   No bad choices here from what I've seen!