FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[lewdogg11]

Mr. Huge,

I understand what you are trying to get at, but I think you are underestimating the athletics/football programs of the ISL.  The top 5 ISL teams would be in the top 10 MIAA teams (mass public and catholic schools).  Since Pappas and the LA coach came to BB&N and Lawrence Academy, the football talent of the league started to go way up in the upper eschelon of the league.    In fact, there have been many concerns around the league that football is getting too big. 

So in the end, ISL football is way ahead of where it was before 2000. 

Utes..I am not debating that.  But there are 16 teams in the league and I am sure a lot of the highlight films come from games against the bottom 5 teams.  Why doesn't BB&N play Don Bosco from NJ if they are that good?   I am sure college coaches would love to see those films.

It's like asking why Williams or Trinity doesn't play Ithaca, Cortland, Rowan etc.

[Jonny Utah]

Exactly LD, it is a league rule.

plus, wouldn't a good public high school player have some highlight footage against some crappy public school teams too? 

And trust me, if the ISL let them play non league games, Coach Pappas would go to Texas, NJ, Florida or wherever to play the best team he could.

[iamhuge]

Exactly LD, it is a league rule.

plus, wouldn't a good public high school player have some highlight footage against some crappy public school teams too? 

And trust me, if the ISL let them play non league games, Coach Pappas would go to Texas, NJ, Florida or wherever to play the best team he could.

he wouldn't want to play Bosco..that would get ugly in a nanosecond.

[lewdogg11]

Exactly LD, it is a league rule.

plus, wouldn't a good public high school player have some highlight footage against some crappy public school teams too? 

And trust me, if the ISL let them play non league games, Coach Pappas would go to Texas, NJ, Florida or wherever to play the best team he could.

he wouldn't want to play Bosco..that would get ugly in a nanosecond.

I believe you mean nanu-second.

[iamhuge]

Exactly LD, it is a league rule.

plus, wouldn't a good public high school player have some highlight footage against some crappy public school teams too? 

And trust me, if the ISL let them play non league games, Coach Pappas would go to Texas, NJ, Florida or wherever to play the best team he could.

he wouldn't want to play Bosco..that would get ugly in a nanosecond.

I believe you mean nanu-second.

Whatever time frame you fancy, that game would not end well.

[lewdogg11]

Exactly LD, it is a league rule.

plus, wouldn't a good public high school player have some highlight footage against some crappy public school teams too? 

And trust me, if the ISL let them play non league games, Coach Pappas would go to Texas, NJ, Florida or wherever to play the best team he could.

he wouldn't want to play Bosco..that would get ugly in a nanosecond.

I believe you mean nanu-second.

Whatever time frame you fancy, that game would not end well.

Well Don Bosco should play St. Anthony's in basketball.  Seriously, who gives a sh!t?

[lewdogg11]

Why do I get the feeling that on many occasions, the mini-huge's have said to a male or female counterpart in a war of words:

'Well my dad would bench press more than your dad!'

[Doid23]

Why do I get the feeling that on many occasions, the mini-huge's have said to a male or female counterpart in a war of words:

'Well my dad would bench press more than your dad!'

No need to have a "feeling", he's done just that on D3Boards. Still my favorite response on the LL:
79   Post Patterns (Division III football) / East Region football / Re: Liberty League  on: December 04, 2009, 05:37:10 pm iamhuge 
I am 50 yrs old and can still bench press 385 lbs...you?  you??

For all the ish I have given iamhuge over the years, he seems to care about his kids and their education, so in the end, he gets a pass from me. Plus, he's entertaining. 4 pages in the middle of July? Who else could provoke that kind of interest? Only iamhuge talking about iamjumbo.

[iamhuge]

Why do I get the feeling that on many occasions, the mini-huge's have said to a male or female counterpart in a war of words:

'Well my dad would bench press more than your dad!'

No need to have a "feeling", he's done just that on D3Boards. Still my favorite response on the LL:
79   Post Patterns (Division III football) / East Region football / Re: Liberty League  on: December 04, 2009, 05:37:10 pm iamhuge 
I am 50 yrs old and can still bench press 385 lbs...you?  you??

For all the ish I have given iamhuge over the years, he seems to care about his kids and their education, so in the end, he gets a pass from me. Plus, he's entertaining. 4 pages in the middle of July? Who else could provoke that kind of interest? Only iamhuge talking about iamjumbo.

We're not taking warm showers together...having said that, with all of the caca going on in D1 football I find D3 football very refreshing.

[fulbakdad]

The New England Prep Schools are a great way of getting additional education and additional compitition in your sport.  My son was an All State Football player in New Hampshire in both his Sophmore and Junior seaons in a middle/lower division.  He transferred to Tabor Academy and had two more great seasons (They had him repeat his Junior year).  This helped him tremedously both in football and in academics.  He had way more interest from schools after the switch.   He applied to 10 very good academic schools and was accepted to 9 of the 10 and wait listed on number 10.  There were 2 DII schools that were very interested and all 8 of the D3 schools.  He made his decision and made one coach happy and 8 to 9 let down. 

NESCAC was in the mix.  But the level of compitition was definately lower than the other D3 schools that were being considered.  After watching hours of NESCAC game film and other D3 schools, it's definately not the same.  Ithica, Springfield, Union, would have a field day with most of the NESCAC teams.  The depth is just not there......

[met_fan]

While I'm at it, I might as well throw out a nescac recruit for next year.  Tape of Middlebury QB recruit Eric Bertino.  (You have to listen to coach Pappas first)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUfha3nu_2o

(At 02:29 watch him torch Iamhuges almamater)

The kid has talent..but seriously isn't this Division 99 he's playing against?  

You mean Roxbury Latin?  The ISL has some great teams and some duds.  Lawrence Academy had 3 d1 kids last year and BB&N usually has one or 2 and another 4 or 5 going Ivy league.

I could be wrong, but didn't Lawrence make some big changes after some controversy involving all the studs on the football team?

Edit: http://articles.boston.com/2011-04-21/sports/29459986_1_sanctions-groton-school-football-titles

[iamhuge]

The New England Prep Schools are a great way of getting additional education and additional compitition in your sport.  My son was an All State Football player in New Hampshire in both his Sophmore and Junior seaons in a middle/lower division.  He transferred to Tabor Academy and had two more great seasons (They had him repeat his Junior year).  This helped him tremedously both in football and in academics.  He had way more interest from schools after the switch.   He applied to 10 very good academic schools and was accepted to 9 of the 10 and wait listed on number 10.  There were 2 DII schools that were very interested and all 8 of the D3 schools.  He made his decision and made one coach happy and 8 to 9 let down. 

NESCAC was in the mix.  But the level of compitition was definately lower than the other D3 schools that were being considered.  After watching hours of NESCAC game film and other D3 schools, it's definately not the same.  Ithica, Springfield, Union, would have a field day with most of the NESCAC teams.  The depth is just not there......

Congrats to your son and best of luck to him in his college career.    I think there are some very talented players in the NESCAC but I definitely agree with you about the lack of depth.   Remember, the NESCAC has to thread the needle trying to find outstanding students who are also excellent football players.  It's a small subset to begin with and the better football players are getting snapped up by the Ivies.   Leagues like the Centennial Conference are strong academically but not up to the level of the NESCACS.  If you imagine a bell curve, the population of available football players to the non-NESCAC pool grows much faster than linearly.   

So I guess my point is if you take the C band NESCAC kids – or the top 5 on each team – many of them would measure up with any other D3 school or even Ivies.  I don't think the same argument holds for the 3rd and 4th stringers on the NESCACS when compared to the 3rd and 4th stringers from other strong D3 conferences.  It would seem that there would definitely be a talent difference there.  (I suppose you could make an analogous argument for the ISL vs. publics..but I digress).  I have no empirical evidence to support this (yet) but I think it makes sense that this would be the case.   

[fulbakdad]

There are definatly good players in the NESCAC.  And I agree with you that the schools have a harder time due to thier higher academic requirements.  What's most important is that it's the right fit for the student/athlete..... and in that order, academics then athletics......

[fulbakdad]

The playing level in the Prep Leagues is also top notch.  We played Cheshire in CT.  They sent 5 players D1 last year and I believe 4 this year.  Suffield was very close behind.  Poindexters?? Really? lol.....

[met_fan]

The playing level in the Prep Leagues is also top notch.  We played Cheshire in CT.  They sent 5 players D1 last year and I believe 4 this year.  Suffield was very close behind.  Poindexters?? Really? lol.....

It's like anything else...there are some powerful teams, some awful teams, and a bunch of teams in the middle.  I do think that even on some of the really good teams, the roster can be somewhat top-heavy, as a lot of these schools just aren't big enough to fill out a roster with quality players after bringing in their studs.