FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[Garnet]

Funny thing is that the NESCAC tries to mirror the Ivy League and they do.  Right down to this type of argument.

Everyone in the Ivy feels the same way about Penn that the NESCACers feel about Trinity. For almost all the same reasons listed above.

Coincidence?

Common factors....Bagnoli at Penn...Priorie at Trinity....hmmm

[Jonny Utah]

trin8-0, you are right, and even those numbers from usnews report are simply from a magizine that puts out lists to sell more magazines....even that usnews list is just a bunch of opinions....

for instance, Williams has the ugliest girls in the country.  Not a fact, but my own personal experiences lead me to that conclusion.

[Garnet]

JU,
Have you BEEN to the Union campus?

[cruiser]

i wont list reasons why, but it does seem that there is something a bit fishy in hartford. i wont take away from the arguments about work ethic, good coaching and good recruiting, mainly because i just dont know. if one is looking in from the outside, it is hard to think that trinity is dominating the league now just because of truly honorable and estimable tactics. this is not to say they are letting any football player with a pulse into the school, but such dominance for such a long period of time which happened to just materialize one year after some years of middling records would suggest that compromises within admissions have been made. if trinity wants to do this, that is their prerogative. while it is easier for them to do because they are the lowest ranked school in the NESCAC (but still a top 30 school, lest we forget), it puts the onus on the rest of the NESCAC. the message trinity is sending is somewhere along the lines of "to have a great football team, just let a few lesser qualified athletes slip through the cracks". once again, priore may be a great coach and recruiter and their players may work hard, but i refuse to believe that these are the sole reasons provided for trinity's one sided dominance of the NESCAC for 24 or how many ever games.

[bant551]

Thats fine, you are entitled to your opinion.  I'd just like some numbers or specific examples of NAMES of players who are at Trinity now, but that wouldn't have gotten in during the Miller coaching era.  Simple, bold-faced and unsubstantiated allegations, without more, are simply not enough to convince people that something is fishy in Hartford.

Ethan Brooks is in the NFL.  Sean Keenan got a look from the NFL.  By your logic (great teams/great players = recruiting violations or create an aura of "fishiness"), Williams must have been running a corrupt program that lowered its standards.

Why is that logic wrong?  Well, for one thing, I don't know A THING about Brooks other than that he was good enough to play in the NFL.  Could have been an A student who did great on the SATs.  From what I know, Keenan was a great student-athlete who chose the NESCAC so that he would be able to play 2 sports.

But when Williams enjoys amazing success at football with AN NFL PLAYER, AND A PLAYER WHO ALMOST WAS AN NFL PLAYER, magically noone thinks that something is "fishy".

Why are Trinity's great athletic successes making people cry foul, while Williams rolls through the league with 2 players who get looks from NFL teams, and they don't get criticized.

Again, under the logic that seems to be prevailing amongst the Trin-haters in here, Trinity's success and great athletes mean Trinity is corrupt.  But it is hypocritical.  Williams can have great success and 2 NFL-types and everything is magically OK. 

[Trin9-0]

Utah: Once again, you've nailed it... Williams girls are butt-ugly!

Yet another recruiting advantage for Trinity!

(those cheaters)

[Pat Coleman]

Sean Keenan was actually on the active roster for at least one game in the NFL. I would say that counts.

[cruiser]

a word about williams when they dominated the league: a good friend of mine played for williams during the undefeated years and he even tells those whom he speaks to that he had no business getting into williams, the fact they lowered academic standards for those years is the reason he got into the school. mind you, he was a very good student,but his profile did not match that of the typical williams admit. schools do this periodically, lowering standards for a few years then catching flak and tightening up again. at some point a new team will emerge and this debate will start anew

[frank uible]

knightstalker: The original image did not involve sand and a shoe but piss and a boot. You NESCACers want to clean everything up!

[bant551]

What are the chances of a regular applicant getting into Williams with an 1180 SAT and a B/B+ average in high school (without AP credits or anything special like that)?  I was a 6'0" lineman who didn't even get playing time (and only a little) until my junior year.  Imagine the strings Williams would have pulled if I was a REAL prospect!

The hypocrisy when it comes to different schools in the NESCAC doing the EXACT SAME THING is extremely annoying.

[Jonny Utah]

Frank, stop trying to set rules on this board on what people should and shouldnt do!!!!!!

I know you like authority and such but...

[dirtybirds8-0]

It seems to me that several individuals believe that Trinity is placing athletes on the field that could barley decipher the simplest of mathematical equations, or would struggle to finish a children's book like Dr. Sues.  In reality, Trinity football players attend class and participate in academic areas, such as, Micro-Economics, International Political Economy, Mechanical engeneering, Accounting, Macro-economics, etc.... My point is, Trinity may have the "lowest" admissions standards in the NESCAC...but fellas...if you are accepted to an institution like Trinity you are still going to be exposed to some very difficult and highly demanding educational requirements.  I will not allow individuals like "Saul" (clearly an elitest..who thinks Amherst is Gods gift to academics) trash talk players at other institutions who study challenging areas of academics.  Good luck in the "Real World", 4 more years and you will understand that your diploma will only get you so far.

[dirtybirds8-0]

speaking of which....I should find mine

[Knightstalker]

Frank,
A: I am not an NESCACer
B: I know the original version, I learned it at my daddy' knee along with what I could go do in my hat.
C: I cleaned it up for the board, because I am just a sensitive guy.   

[speedy]

a word about williams when they dominated the league: a good friend of mine played for williams during the undefeated years and he even tells those whom he speaks to that he had no business getting into williams, the fact they lowered academic standards for those years is the reason he got into the school. mind you, he was a very good student,but his profile did not match that of the typical williams admit. schools do this periodically, lowering standards for a few years then catching flak and tightening up again. at some point a new team will emerge and this debate will start anew

And that's why the NESCAC put in place new rules that limited the number of football "tips" per school and limited the size of rosters to 75. And that's why the win-loss records at William and Amherst are now more in line with those of other NESCAC schools (except for Trinity). And as night follows day, new rules will be put in place to bring Trinity back within the fold as such gross competitive imbalances will not be tolerated by NESCAC.