FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

Pat Coleman · October 31, 2005, 05:36:52 PM

Tulane played teams from outside its conference.

Also, it's a lot easier to make the Top 25 in Division I-A -- there's one spot for every 4.8 schools. In Division III there's one spot for every 9.2.

TrinCantReedGood · October 31, 2005, 06:13:44 PM

I just wanted to give a shout out to Ricky Leclerc. He was the Player of the Week after throwing 5 TD's on only 25 attempts. Bowdoin's Caputi will obviously be coach of the year because of the absurd turn around the Bears have made. They have the best reciever in the league, Jeff Nolin, and one of the best quarterbacks in Leclerc. What's even more amazing is that they can read good too.

dirtybirds8-0 · October 31, 2005, 06:19:31 PM

I know why they are not ranked...and it has alot to do with a biased towards the NESCAC for not playing out side of their league....I dont care what league it is...if a team has won 28 games in a row they are GOOD! and probably deserve to be ranked in the top 25. Not to mention the fact that there are players on this team that most of the top teams in D3 would love to have playing for them....these kids are studs...and I have friends that played for D2, D1-AA, D-1, and even the PROS! I would never try to make it seem like Trinity as a team could compete for the # 1 spot in D3, but we certainly have players who would start for Linfield, if not a very good 1-AA team...and with an excellent supporting cast behind that talent..ie...team mates and coaches....there is no doubt in my mind that TRINITY would fall somewhere in the realm of the 15-25 spot in the National Ranking.

frank uible · October 31, 2005, 06:26:13 PM

bant551: The stats say that in 2005 Wesleyan has been running the ball 28% (rounded) of the time. So take that!

frank uible · October 31, 2005, 06:34:09 PM

dirty: Wesleyan was undefeated and untied in the 1946-48 seasons (22-0) and undefeated in the 1945-1948 seasons (26-0-1).

frank uible · October 31, 2005, 06:36:17 PM

This board is reflecting a great deal of underrating of the talent and coaching in non-NESCAC DIII.

bant551 · October 31, 2005, 08:54:58 PM

I don't think that is the case Frank. While I do think that an average NESCAC team would get pasted by an average non-NESCAC D-III team that is in a tough conference, I think we can all agree that there are years and teams in which NESCAC schools would be able to compete.

As a general proposition, though, I think you are right that the NESCAC, as a whole, isn't as good as most other D-III conferences. But I also think we should consider the fact that ALL of the teams we are talking about are D-III. Therefore, I think its entirely possible for the occasional NESCAC team to be a good or great team in the playoff conferences. Its not as if we are comparing NESCACs to D-IAA programs or something.

TrinCantReedGood · October 31, 2005, 09:07:59 PM

I don't want to burst your bubble. But, you ALREADY have guys that played Div. I. The cover story is they transferred out for playing time (which would show they aren't that good anyway) but the reality was academic under performing. I can't think of any other school in the NESCAC that has as many Div. I transfers in all sports combined, but then again I can't think of any other schools with such pitiful academic standards.

You really have to wonder why a team with the 2nd longest win streak in all of college football isn't ranked. This is where logic comes in. Trinity alums can stop reading at this point. They are overlooked for two reasons. First is that the rankings are cumulative from season to season and your previous year might start you off higher in the opinion of voters every season starts fresh (i.e. Auburn, Utah, Tenessee) Second, the competition isn't very good at all. Bates, Wesleyan, and Hamilton are all jokes. Middlebury and Williams are above that, but still aren't good. Tufts, Amherst, Colby, and Bowdoin are all competetive... with each other. Beating them doesn't impress a national committee. Trinity can't be ranked without quality wins. Talk to Texas Tech.

Roonyhufsfarts · October 31, 2005, 09:59:06 PM

Trincant, let me address some of your points in the order you brought them up:

1. On the whole D I transfer issue....you're right, they arent earth shaklingly dominant players, those players are homegrown at trin.
2. Conn College has much worse academic standards (thankfully they dont play football or else they would be so dominant everyone would just have to forfiet), and Colby and Bates are ranked 20th and 21st respectively(so why arent they exactly as good as each other?), while Trin is 25th (US News and World Report rankings), much of trins problems in rankings is due to monetary issues. but an average SAT of 1310 isnt so shabby, by the way i was a football player and got a 1360.
3. It is strange that a team with such a long win streak isnt ranked, a streak denotes dominance and a good team, thus there previous records should reward them in the rankings.
4. The competition in the NESCAC is nothing amazing, but decent enough to act as a litmus test for trinitys strength. The nescac produces some very high quality teams occasionally, Williams in the 90s, Amherst before the trin streak, middlebury, etc. And Trinitys current team and team from years past have been some of those.
5. Texas Tech beat Nebraska, last time i checked they were decent

I think it a very fair argument to demand Trinity prove itself amongst other teams before receiving a rank. "Thats why they play the games," right?

But, I think if all the voters really examined some of trinitys games and reviewed the team, and then made their best effort to fairly judge them vs other teams they might have a different opinion. but that would take way too much time and effort, so it is just easier to leave trinity out.

I guess the best question to ask is, "could trinity beat teams ranked in the top 25"?

TrinCantReedGood · October 31, 2005, 11:04:41 PM

I think anyone reading these can see through your points, but I admit I take a perverse pleasure in exposing your ignorance.

1) By saying they aren't earth shakingly dominant and agreeing with me, you are saying they get in with low academic records even when then aren't great players. That makes you look even worse.
2) I like how you are striving to be second worst. P.S. Conn College is like 65% girls.
3)Already addressed/ no comment
4)"The NESCAC produces very high quality teams OCCASIONALLY." You said it... not me, but thanks for making my point.
5) The mark of a weak rebuttle is trying to dispute an insignificant point of an argument, which is what you tried to do. However, you failed. Nebraska sucks. They aren't ranked and got blown out by Missiouri. They are like Williams. They used to be good, but beating them when they aren't good doesn't count. I know that's hard for you to grasp...

Well that was fun... I can't wait for the next Trinity alum to try to show how smart he is!

Jonny Utah · October 31, 2005, 11:24:00 PM

hmmmm, wonder why Bowdoin is so good this year? After all, no football players on that team got less than a 1300 huh? check again pal

Roonyhufsfarts · November 01, 2005, 12:51:49 AM

Trincant: I should have know better than to dignify your post with a responce. Obviously, you, like a few others, are only interested in proving how much better you are than trinity alums and players.

I must admit, it gives me pleasure (not perverse however) that you exposed your own arrogance and to know your simply upset because you were soundly defeated in the area this sight is devoted to, football.

TrinCantReedGood · November 01, 2005, 08:17:43 AM

I know all our guys didn't get 1300's, but at least they broke the 1000 barrier.

I'm just going to put in a few quotes from Roony that help prove my previous points.

"I should have KNOW better..."
"...to know YOUR simply upset because you were soundly defeated in the area this SIGHT..."

YOUR guys beat my guys on the field. Congratulations. They earned it. If I couldn't go Div. I (or if I already did and flunked out) obviously I would try to go to a NESCAC school too. Our teams can admit that our players aren't as good as yours; why can't you admit that your players are academically inferior? P.S. That crazy dot over a comma is called a semi colon. Aren't they wild!? The point everyone has been trying to make when it comes to Trinity academics is that you have players that our schools wouldn't let in.

dirtybirds8-0 · November 01, 2005, 09:08:20 AM

Trincant: I totally agree with you. I can not beleive I am saying this but your right....SAT's and college degree's from the most elite schools is what it is all about. When you enter the "REAL WORLD" you will only go as far as that piece of paper that say's "magna cum laude" or some other latin phrase. Clearly, it is the intellectual prowess of certain schools and individual accomplishments in those schools which creates the rift in social status and monetary success. OH wait a minute....where did guys like Bill Gates (net worth 51billion dollars) finish their college education? Where did the countless other individuals that have created more wealth than even your daddy could give YOU go to college? But your right....SAT's are what we should be talking about, because that is the indicator of future success....or is it the individuals who sweat, hurt, bleed, fight, and scratch their way to the top...the people that knock individuals like yourself to the side to cower behind your daddys bank account? I come from a good family, but they always taught me to work for what you want....and FOOTBALL, NOT THE SAT's taught me and prepared me for the REAL WORLD. I'am proud I went to Trinity and worked hard with my team mates to be WINNERS, which seems to be something you are not. I bet you have a very lonely life? Have fun playing video games or trading Pokemon trading cards...maybe I can hook you up with my 5 year old cousin he loves to play, and would probably hussel you for all your worth. LOSER.

formerbant10 · November 01, 2005, 10:02:32 AM

Trincant....which one of ur friends put you up to bashing Trinity online. Why don't you get to the gym and work on ur swing so maybe you can get your batting average above your GPA and beat the Bants this spring. Or will they be impossible to beat b/c the baseball team uses a bunch of football and hockey recruits. It couldn't possibly be that they are just better than you and outwork you could it?? Relax and enjoy Bowdoin's success this season. After all, it has been a while since the football team has been that good. And don't forget to steal some IPODs during the games from the visiting team's locker room.