FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference

[NewtoNescac]

By the way Continentalsman, I'm discussing football. Teams strong points and weak points. I point out the facts as I see them. It is in no way intended to bad mouth a particular kid. I pointed out that he's a terrific runner. I guess that's not good enough for you. You haven't won a single game the past two years, so I guess everything is just fine. Start evaluating talent and maybe you'll win a game or two. Just a thought.

[PolarCat]

Polarcat. I meant ED2 not ED1.

Seems to be a lot of conflating going on all of a sudden.  You sound like Brian Williams.

Also for NewtoNescac. Not sure what you have against the Hamilton QB but Rosenberg comes from Georgia and played at the highest classification there including facing many defenses every Friday night that were stacked with D1 signees.  He started right away at the the worst program in the NESCAC and missed the final game this last season because of a broken hand but his two-year numbers for passing and running are easily in the top half of the league and if you take away all the times he has been sacked he would be the top running QB in the conference this last season while throwing for 1,131 yards in seven starts as a freshman and 1,162 yards in seven starts as a sophomore. No other underclassmen QB's have done this and this is a kid who played the opening game against Tufts with a bad ankle (and for most of the season) yet finished with 300-plus yards passing and 100-plus yards gross rushing in a great game against the Jumbos.

Wow.  That's quite a flowery write-up.  Would said QB happen to be your son?  (Props to him if he is; starting as a first year is a major accomplishment, regardless of the shortcomings of the receivers, O line, OC, or the player himself).

But I think on these boards if you are going to criticize a kid you need to get your facts straight.   

I didn't see anything particularly "critical" about his post.  I think it's fair to say (objectively) that Hamilton could use some new blood at a lot of positions.  Face it, you yourself were pretty hard on the Hamilton punter after the Trinity game.  If you're that sensitive, this may not be the best place to hang out, at least until the Conts are winning.  Probably a good idea to take this guy's sage piece of advice:

Who care what people say? The best way to shut people up is go out and win. This is football, not Mahjong!

   

[lumbercat]

NewtoNescac-

Agree that NESCAC coaches can not, and do not, solicit transfers -the kids have to come them as you say.
So how does a coach work that, do they have "bird dogs" out there looking for transfers?

Also, I agree with Continental man- believe you are selling Rosenburg short. He's better than you think and think he will the guy at QB.

The Conts will win by bringing in better players not moving a guy like Rosenburg to another position.
I'm pretty sure Murray will recruit effectively, especially in western NY and you will see Hamilton get better.

[NewtoNescac]

Lumber cat

I hope you are all correct about Hamilton and the QB. I am a big fan if the program. But you heard my reasoning, we just disagree on how to best use the available talent, to give them the best opportunity to win. We can revisit this topic at seasons end. Again, I hope you're right.

As for transfers, what I meant is that the coaches sell intetested transfer football players on their program, and sell admissions on the kids. I understand, this is not Alabama and Ohio State.

[lumbercat]

NewtoNescac-
I agree.
It will be interesting to see things unfold with the Buff n Blue.
See you in Clinton for game 8 next year.

[NewtoNescac]

The first thing Hamilton can do to start winning is to open competition for every position. That's how you win. Not by making excuses and saying we'll do better next year.

[NewtoNescac]

Sour? I sound sour? Look In the mirror. I do not have a son on the Hamilton team. Sorry to disappoint you. It's just how you won.  You have players compete. Same way at every level, from youth football to the pros. I guess you prefer favoritism, or an old boys network. Not me.

[Trin9-0]

I'm not sure how the process works with getting transfers through admissions, but I do know Trinity THRIVED on transfer students when Priore was the HC. In his final season they had a QB transfer from Virginia, a LB transfer from Houston, a DL transfer from UConn and a RB transfer from Colgate who was the offensive player of the year.

[nescac1]

Williams has had a few major impact transfers over the year, the biggest being Scott Farley, who was obviously a special case, being the son of the coach!  But the Ephs seem to rely on transfers less than some other NESCAC programs -- before Austin Lommen, I can't recall the last transfer from a D1 school the Ephs had (it may actually have been Farley, although I have to think there was someone else in the interim who I'm forgetting).  Amherst, on the other hand, seems to average about one per year for football.  Part of the issue is that Williams takes very few transfers, period -- just aren't many beds on campus for transfers.  My sense at Williams, and I'm guessing at peer schools as well, is that a lot of athlete transfers are guys Williams was recruiting, who decided instead to go the D1 route but for one reason or another were unhappy with their situation.  In other words, there was already a pre-existing relationship with the coaching staff.   A big advantage of athlete transfers is that it's a way to essentially (I think) get an extra TIP through the door without have to spend one during the frosh admissions process. 

[polbear73]

Williams has had a few major impact transfers over the year, the biggest being Scott Farley, who was obviously a special case, being the son of the coach!  But the Ephs seem to rely on transfers less than some other NESCAC programs -- before Austin Lommen, I can't recall the last transfer from a D1 school the Ephs had (it may actually have been Farley, although I have to think there was someone else in the interim who I'm forgetting).  Amherst, on the other hand, seems to average about one per year for football.  Part of the issue is that Williams takes very few transfers, period -- just aren't many beds on campus for transfers.  My sense at Williams, and I'm guessing at peer schools as well, is that a lot of athlete transfers are guys Williams was recruiting, who decided instead to go the D1 route but for one reason or another were unhappy with their situation.  In other words, there was already a pre-existing relationship with the coaching staff.   A big advantage of athlete transfers is that it's a way to essentially (I think) get an extra TIP through the door without have to spend one during the frosh admissions process.

I'm also hard pressed to recall an impact transfer player at Bowdoin, either.  In fact, the current mens hockey goalie, Max Frankel from Colgate, is the only transfer making a major contribution that I can recall in any sport for the Polar Bears.

[warriorcat]

I think that nescac1's point is the most important.  I would suppose that most of the NESCAC schools take very few transfers because such a high percentage of the first year classes are retained.  90% plus at many of the schools.  Therefore, the admissions offices can do pretty much what they want with the few spots available.  It may be that some athletic departments have a great share of this group.

[lumbercat]

Agree totally Warriorcat-
Great  to see Garnet 90 recognized- I'm sure you are proud- so well deserved.

[lumbercat]

Recruiting update

With the passing of National Letter of Intent day last week here is a current update from 6 different recruiting sources relative to NESCAC  "signings" or "commits" for all NESCAC teams as of 2/4.

This data is for Ma and Ct only as of 2/4-- This information does not emanate from NESCAC institutions.

Reported signings:

Amherst- 8
Bates- 9
Bowdoin- 9
Colby- 5
Hamilton- 7
Middlebury- 7
Tufts- 10
Trinity- 21
Wesleyan- 5
Williams- 5

Again, this is a culmination of reported signings/commitments for Ma and Ct only from a sampling of 6 recruiting sites or sources.


(it would take me too long to enter names and details of each recruit but will try to get to that in coming weeks.)

Remember, this reflects reported commitments at this point in time following ED1. Believe the date for ED 2 announcements is mid Feb with regular decision following that.

[NewtoNescac]

Lumbercat, why only MA & CT data? I'd love to have it all. Any chance if that?

[warriorcat]

Thank you Lumbercat.  90 has always made us proud.  We will miss our Saturdays in the Fall cheering on the Bobcats.