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BallHawk7

AJ Jones not making the team this year is a complete joke. No one had more important explosive plays for their team in the league this year. In a season that was fairly weak at the wideout position (other than the obvious Driscoll and Hartwell ), it is insane to me that he was not recognized.

nescac1

RanchHawg, you really can't compare on a per-pass basis, which reflects all of the stats you are basing your assertion that the Trinity QB is better on.  You can dismiss Bunker as a system running back as much as you can dismiss Foote as a system QB, and in both cases, it's unfair to the player.  Whoever Trinity plugs in at RB seems to produce, given their incredible offensive line play and run-oriented scheme.  But Bunker is still a great player who made them a lot better, and deserves still to be called the second most valuable offensive player in the league. 

But, no other QB in NESCAC could have come CLOSE to Foote's production at Middlebury this year, certainly not the Trinity QB.  It's a LOT easier to complete a pass here or there when teams are loading up with eight in the box vs. the run than it is when they are expecing a pass on virtually every play.  By your logic, a QB who completes 5/6 passed for 60 yards is better than a QB who completes 45/60 for 500 yards, and that is just ridiculous. 

I think the gap between Bunker and the other running backsin the league is pretty small ... a healthy Scyocurka, a healthy Silva, Crick, or either Wesleyan RB would all have put up huge numbers for Trinity in a featured role.  But without Foote, Middlebury would be a pedestrian team, at best.  Again, do you really think ANY coach in the league, given first pick of any player in NESCAC, would take anyone other than Foote????  I think Bunker would be in a close contest with Hartwell for second, but Foote is the best player, and plays the most important position.  No contest. 

banfan


"McCallum Foote is not even the best Quarterback in the NESCAC!   Let alone the best offensive player!
(listen quietly....you can hear kitten teardrops tapping the floor)"

RanchHawg those are not teardrops hitting the floor, that's spit hitting the computer screen.


FourMoreYears

All-Academic Players that also made All-Conference:

Travis Dickenson, Amherst, SR. ... DL 1st Team Defense
Mike Aldo, Amherst, SR. ... DB 1st Team Defense
John Gilboy, Colby, SR. ... OL 2nd Team Offense
Jimmy Tilson, Middlebury, SR. ... DL 2nd Team Defense
Drew Grombala, Trinity, SR. ... WR 1st Team Offense
Nik Powers, Wesleyan, SO. ... DL 1st Team Defense
Kevin Hughes, Wesleyan, JR. ... FB 2nd Team Offense
Darren Hartwell, Williams, SR. ... WR 1st Team Offense
Joe Mallock, Williams, JR. ... PK 1st Team Specialists

frank uible

Don't take the All-NESCAC team so seriously! After all in the universal scheme, NESCAC does not (and should not) have the gravity of (or the number of fans as) such ponderous things as the Roller Derby.

met_fan

This is Hamilton, but I wouldn't be surprised if a similar setup existed at many of the NESCACs, no?
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/12/27/53437.htm

Jonny Utah

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Quote from: met_fan on December 28, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
This is Hamilton, but I wouldn't be surprised if a similar setup existed at many of the NESCACs, no?
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/12/27/53437.htm

This kid sounds like a big baby if you ask me.  This "job" is for those who want to take that first step into coaching and you basically put in your time on a small salary.  I hope Hamilton did their paperwork the right way as many part time "jobs" are exempt from FLSA laws.  Ever heard of a teacher put in an overtime slip for grading papers at home?

I hope this baby loses his lawsuit.

nescac1

I am pretty sure other schools have these type of positions, usually a recent graduate of a NESCAC football team.  I believe that they are the functional equivalent of a graduate assistant position at a larger university, but of course, most NESCAC schools don't offer graduate degrees (although I'd guess that many folks would simultaneously pursue a master degree while working in one of these positions).  Interesting, thanks for posting, is there a labor and employment attorney on the forum who has more insight? 

ECoastFootball

Quote from: nescac1 on December 28, 2012, 10:34:09 AM
I am pretty sure other schools have these type of positions, usually a recent graduate of a NESCAC football team.  I believe that they are the functional equivalent of a graduate assistant position at a larger university, but of course, most NESCAC schools don't offer graduate degrees (although I'd guess that many folks would simultaneously pursue a master degree while working in one of these positions).  Interesting, thanks for posting, is there a labor and employment attorney on the forum who has more insight?

As someone who worked this position, I can tell you that EVERY college uses this setup. There is no ambiguity, you know exactly what your pay and hours are. That's the step in becoming a football coach. Why I would guess he is po'd is because he is in his early-to-mid thirties and still working at the intern level. If he was better at his job or at networking he would have been picked up by now.

mattvsmith

Quote from: met_fan on December 28, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
This is Hamilton, but I wouldn't be surprised if a similar setup existed at many of the NESCACs, no?
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/12/27/53437.htm
This complaint smells fishy to me. "Forced" to work 100 hours per week? I had a director level position and I worked from 8 to 8, and dropped in on weekends. 70 hours possibly. I doubt very much some soft-skinned punk kid is going to put in 14-15 hour days seven days a week, unless he counts meals and time spent in the office on Facebook and twitter complaining about his job.

I suspect that what happened is that none of the interns had any time management skills. They also wanted to seem like the hardest working in order to impress the boss. They assumed that meant long hours. They worked long, hard, and dumb puttering around rather than working short, efficient, and smart hours. Not uncommon forvyoungbpeople, but not the school's fault.

I'm currently in a rather poorly paid position with the only upward mobility possible once I get my phd. I give them the amount of work and effort they pay me for. No more no less, like King Lear's only faithful daughter. It would be easy to fall into the trap of working extra, free hours imagining that is the way to job security, promotions, etc., but that's imagination working, not logic. These kids put in extra free hours because they thought, wrongly, that it would set them apart and make them appealing as a coaching hire.

Did there's interns also get room and board? Health insurance? These things have value and probably got ignored when hyped up on self-pity. R&B at Hanilton probably costs the athletic department a boatload of money.

gridiron

Being February 1, anyone hearing anything about NESCAC football recruits???

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gridiron

Thanks for the link.  Should be more coming out any day now from around the rest of New England.

PistachioX

Dan Ventura, of the Boston Herald, usually runs his list of greater Boston football commits just before or after NLI signing day....  so any day now.